Medical Intern Posts 2018

jennajen

Hi!

Currently trying to get a rough idea of what intern posts I'd like to jot down when we get the list in februrary. Anyone have any advice on which jobs to avoid and which are quite attainable - I'm probably going to have a low to mid 2.1 and would like to spend most of the year in Dublin.

There's also many rumours about certain jobs not paying overtime or not as much as other hospitals so if anyone had any info on that, that would also be helpful.

Thanks!

A Neurotic

I can recommend Connolly in Blanchardstown - nice hospital, no problems with overtime, and (most importantly for me) you're there for the year, so no stressing about accommodation or moving during the year.

Ihaveanopinion

A Neurotic wrote: »

I can recommend Connolly in Blanchardstown - nice hospital, no problems with overtime, and (most importantly for me) you're there for the year, so no stressing about accommodation or moving during the year.

Sounds to me like overtime in Blanchardstown seems to be an issue - in the news today

Arbie

Ihaveanopinion wrote: »

Sounds to me like overtime in Blanchardstown seems to be an issue - in the news today

Very poor attitude from both Connolly and HSE. The memo says no unrostered overtime will be paid for interns. HSE HR shot themselves in the foot by backing this up.

HSE HR then said "No staff member will be asked to work overtime without pay #fact" but this is quite sly as the problem is not the rostered overtime that they are "asked" to do but rather the unrostered overtime that every team expects NCHDs to do.

Medical directors, hospital managers and HSE HR could have had a win here by sending a memo to consultants reminding them of EWTD and telling them to look after interns by making sure that they never have to work unrostered overtime. That sort of memo would have made NCHDs feel like the responsibility was being put on their seniors. Instead, Connolly and HSE HR made themselves look like they were taking the easy way out and targeting the most junior medical staff in the hospital. Disastrous PR when we have not just a trolley crisis but also huge problems with recruitment and retention.

Breezer

This has been going on since the year dot.

Kurtosis

Arbie wrote: »

Very poor attitude from both Connolly and HSE. The memo says no unrostered overtime will be paid for interns. HSE HR shot themselves in the foot by backing this up.

HSE HR then said "No staff member will be asked to work overtime without pay #fact" but this is quite sly as the problem is not the rostered overtime that they are "asked" to do but rather the unrostered overtime that every team expects NCHDs to do.

Medical directors, hospital managers and HSE HR could have had a win here by sending a memo to consultants reminding them of EWTD and telling them to look after interns by making sure that they never have to work unrostered overtime. That sort of memo would have made NCHDs feel like the responsibility was being put on their seniors. Instead, Connolly and HSE HR made themselves look like they were taking the easy way out and targeting the most junior medical staff in the hospital. Disastrous PR when we have not just a trolley crisis but also huge problems with recruitment and retention.

I understood from the below that in line with protocols, overtime that was unrostered would be approved and then paid:

https://twitter.com/rosarii_mannion/status/949758586326077443

Can understand it's open to interpretation though and hopefully it is clarified today.

Pierre_Robin

I worked in Vincent's as an intern, for two reasons.

1. It had a job combination that was good for networking and lined up well with the interviews for the BST.

2. My mates were applying there and I had been there as a student.

I really enjoyed it, and it was nice knowing the run of the hospital before I started. They did an intern shadowing thing the week before if I remember correctly?

OT was paid no problem, though you had to fill out a form saying why you were staying late. I used to just jot down "sick patient on ward" and "cardiac arrest". Never had an issue. This was pre-strike though so maybe it has changed? Blanch a disgrace, and leaving themselves open to a legal challenge I imagine. Poor response from the IHCA on it, especially after the IMO consultants came out behind NCHDs.

Vincent's is in a nice area as well and well served by buses. Car park is pants though. Merrion Inn got done up a few years back and is great for after work pints/dinner. Don't underestimate the importance of a nearby pub for meeting up after work.

I've rambled a bit there, but I'm post call and dis-inhibited.

Popliteus

Anyone have any insights on Beaumont, Tallaght or Naas?

jennajen

Pierre_Robin wrote: »

I worked in Vincent's as an intern, for two reasons.

1. It had a job combination that was good for networking and lined up well with the interviews for the BST.

2. My mates were applying there and I had been there as a student.

I really enjoyed it, and it was nice knowing the run of the hospital before I started. They did an intern shadowing thing the week before if I remember correctly?

OT was paid no problem, though you had to fill out a form saying why you were staying late. I used to just jot down "sick patient on ward" and "cardiac arrest". Never had an issue. This was pre-strike though so maybe it has changed? Blanch a disgrace, and leaving themselves open to a legal challenge I imagine. Poor response from the IHCA on it, especially after the IMO consultants came out behind NCHDs.

Vincent's is in a nice area as well and well served by buses. Car park is pants though. Merrion Inn got done up a few years back and is great for after work pints/dinner. Don't underestimate the importance of a nearby pub for meeting up after work.

I've rambled a bit there, but I'm post call and dis-inhibited.

Thanks for all of this, I’ve been looking at some of the Vincent’s jobs but I’m a bit worried I won’t have a high enough result for them - can you remember how competitive the different posts were?

Pierre_Robin

jennajen wrote: »

Thanks for all of this, I’ve been looking at some of the Vincent’s jobs but I’m a bit worried I won’t have a high enough result for them - can you remember how competitive the different posts were?

Huge variance across them. I'd rather not say what I did as it would identify me, but I was between 30-40 (I want to say 34 but can't find the original email) centile in my class and got my first choice.

I did considerably better than other lads in my class who also got intern spots in Vincents. All had 2:1's though. Mater was more competitive my year.

Kadiv

I went to study medicine in Italy after the leaving cert and looking to return for the internship year... what are my chances like for outside Ireland EU applicants? I heard they go by centiles but competition seems high even among irish graduates I heard... is this true?

Icemancometh

Kadiv wrote: »

I went to study medicine in Italy after the leaving cert and looking to return for the internship year... what are my chances like for outside Ireland EU applicants? I heard they go by centiles but competition seems high even among irish graduates I heard... is this true?

Not sure about how competitive it is, but all EU citizens are considered equally.

Kadiv

Since I'm studying abroad I'm not sure how the procedures work in Ireland... with the internships. In italy once we're done we have a 3 month internship after a general state exam to get a licence then we have another application for a 3/4 year residency for a chosen specialty. How does it work in Ireland. The way I understand it you do an internship for a year and then continue on to BST which is your residency. I'm looking specifically into General Surgery so that would be 2 years in general surgery and then Higher specialisation for 5 years into something more specific in surgery like urology. Am i missing something in this general outline? Also how competitive are general surgery residencies in Ireland?

laserlad2010

jennajen wrote: »

Hi!

Currently trying to get a rough idea of what intern posts I'd like to jot down when we get the list in februrary. Anyone have any advice on which jobs to avoid and which are quite attainable - I'm probably going to have a low to mid 2.1 and would like to spend most of the year in Dublin.

There's also many rumours about certain jobs not paying overtime or not as much as other hospitals so if anyone had any info on that, that would also be helpful.

Thanks!

Go where your friends go.

That's really my only advice. Don't bother trying to play the long game "where should I aim for" unless you're a low 2:2 or pass.

Often universities will let you see your ranking (UCD did in my day - 2012) coming up to your finals so maybe try that.

If you're absolutely set on a certain specialty it can help to do that because you might squeeze out an audit before BST interviews (which close in December so get it done first 6 months).

Otherwise go where your friends go. Obviously you'll make new friends but it helps in the first few months to have a common experience that you can help each other through.

odiecon

Hi there, I'm a current graduate entry medical student located outside of Dublin but in Ireland. However my goal is to do my intern year in a Dublin hospital, i'd like to know if anyone has an idea on how competitive it may (or indeed may not) be to secure an intern post in Dublin hospitals such as James or Vincent's. Thanks!