Berlin "safe zone" for women on NYE

Chrongen

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Stop down playing sexual violence. In many cases women had their clothes torn off and were penetrated with fingers. Not just grabbed by the ass. "Gangs of gougers" is yet more language attempting to minimize the attacks.

I can't imagine you speaking like this on the Harvey Weinstein thread tbh. Sure that was just a bit of assault with the goal of furthering their careers in mind. Good for them in the long run right? Harvey the auld horny devil. No, you wouldn't say that would you

Stop accusing people of things they didn't do. Where did the poster downplay sexual violence? You make a dubious claim and when called out on it the best you can do is accuse others of triviliasing sexual assault. Cheap trick.

ceadaoin.

Chrongen wrote: »

Stop trying to put words in my mouth or suggest that I have stated anything just because I questioned your over-the-top claim. It's typical of people to make a hysterical claim and when questioned on it they shoot back with the usual "Oh I suppose you think they should be allowed to rape whoever they want. I suppose you think they should all be given a hug" bollocks.

Were there any more reported rapes on New Years Eve in germany a couple of years ago than on any other day on average?

If you make a claim then back it the fcuk up and don't get all indignant when someone treats your claim with a pinch of salt.

Why don't you find the stats and find out? 28 rapes were reported as part of these events. According to the police the level of violence was unprecedented but maybe just maybe they are lying and I guess it was nothing unusual. One can always hope right?

Also, I apologise for saying thousands when it was only 1200. Maybe I was getting mixed up with the thousands of men involved.

Chrongen

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Stop down playing sexual violence. In many cases women had their clothes torn off and were penetrated with fingers. Not just grabbed by the ass. "Gangs of gougers" is yet more language attempting to minimize the attacks.

I can't imagine you speaking like this on the Harvey Weinstein thread tbh. Sure that was just a bit of assault with the goal of furthering their careers in mind. Good for them in the long run right? Harvey the auld horny devil. No, you wouldn't say that would you

More gibberish. If you came out and falsely claimed that Weinstein raped hundreds of women, just because you like to make over the top claims either for your own kicks or for the shock value and you are then challenged on your claim are you going to accuse the challenger of being an apologist for rape just for calling you out on bullsh1t?

ceadaoin.

Chrongen wrote: »

Stop accusing people of things they didn't do. Where did the poster downplay sexual violence? You make a dubious claim and when called out on it the best you can do is accuse others of triviliasing sexual assault. Cheap trick.

saying that robbery was the primary motivation and it was mainly ass grabbing and describing the perpetrators as merely "gougers" is down playing. Maybe he/she should read accounts of the some of the women attacked. It was more than ass grabbing ffs.

Also, when called out on my "dubious" claim I supplied a link with evidence. It was thousands of men but only over a thousand assaults. Why get so hung up on the fact that I said thousands? Has that person supplied evidence that there were no more rapes than usual that year?

ceadaoin.

Chrongen wrote: »

More gibberish. If you came out and falsely claimed that Weinstein raped hundreds of women, just because you like to make over the top claims either for your own kicks or for the shock value and you are then challenged on your claim are you going to accuse the challenger of being an apologist for rape just for calling you out on bullsh1t?

I said rapes and assaults.

Kivaro

Odhinn wrote: »

Nowhere does it say rape. What you largely had was sexual assaults with the goal of robbery in mind - eg - grab her by the ass/breast and then rob her handbag when shes distracted - by gangs of gougers.

There you have it folks .................. Irish liberals telling us what was in the minds of sexual predators on a New Year's Eve night a couple of years in the German city of Cologne. Of the 1,139 crime victims who filed complaints after that night, 529 of them were victims of sexual assault. Maybe our compassionate countryman could tell these 529 victims of sexual assault that robbery was the main goal of their assailants; the sexual aspect of what happened to them occurred to "distract" them in order to rob their handbags.

What utter rubbish.

Jurgen Klopp

MayoSalmon wrote: »

What are you on about?! The most multicultural country in the world is the US and it has been the greatest success on this planet.

Tell that to the Native Indians who now only make up 1% of there own ****ing country

Jurgen Klopp

Kivaro wrote: »

There you have it folks .................. Irish liberals telling us what was in the minds of sexual predators on a New Year's Eve night a couple of years in the German city of Cologne. Of the 1,139 crime victims who filed complaints after that night, 529 of them were victims of sexual assault. Maybe our compassionate countryman could tell these 529 victims of sexual assault that robbery was the main goal of their assailants; the sexual aspect of what happened to them occurred to "distract" them in order to rob their handbags.

What utter rubbish.

What do you expect that fella made a complete show of himself defending Pamlea izevbekhai to the bitter end until she was finally outed and deported

He defends criminals as long as they are non white no matter the argument, there's always a reason to make excuses for them, because he sees racism everywhere

It's like he views them as inferior and constantly needing protection from the big bad white man

But yet he's foaming at the mouth at the thought of the English, ya know 800 years and all that. He even celebrated Pegda members being beaten up in Dublin a hypocrite of the highest order in the politics cafe with a fellow antifa wannabe who was bragging about "beating facist heads in"

Irishmale0399

It has absolutely nothing to do with mental illness. It had more to do with a primitive form of behaviour stemming from the fact that they do not respect western culture or religion. They see every woman who isnt Muslim, living as they believe, as free meat to be treated as they wish.

They are 100 years or more behind us in their thinking and behaviour.

Odhinn

Kivaro wrote: »

There you have it folks .................. ........

If you bothered researching, you'd see that was exactly what was in mind for most of it.

ceadoin wrote:

Stop down playing sexual violence

The problem is people exaggerating it.

Jurgen Klopp

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

It has absolutely nothing to do with mental illness. It had more to do with a primitive form of behaviour stemming from the fact that they do not respect western culture or religion. They see every woman who isnt Muslim, living as they believe, as free meat to be treated as they wish.

They are 100 years or more behind us in their thinking and behaviour.

Think he's referring to those who see themselves as our more "tolerant" and self labeled intellectual superiors who try to explain to the rest of us who just don't understand all these multicultural benefits as ya know we're not "educated" enough to understand the multicultural benefits like grooming gangs, mass rape, no go zones and eventual terrorism

I mean it's all part and parcel of living in a colourful rainbow nation

Irishmale0399

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Think he's referring to those who see themselves as our more "tolerant" and self labeled intellectual superiors who try to explain to the rest of us who just don't understand all these multicultural benefits as ya know we're not "educated" enough to understand the multicultural benefits like grooming gangs, mass rape, no go zones and eventual terrorism

I mean it's all part and parcel of living in a colourful rainbow nation

Realised it as it was too late....:D:D:rolleyes::rolleyes:

But maybe they are also primitive :D:D

Chrongen

How many of the victims knew their attacker? Since the majority of rapes and attempted rapes are perpetrated by someone the victim knows do you have those figures for these 20+ reported rapes?

Chrongen

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I said rapes and assaults.

So how many rapes then? You see you have no problem saying there were "THOUSANDS OF RAPES (and assaults). You try to cynically allude to there being 1000s of rapes when we don't even know if any reported rapes were any more or less than the statistics for any other day.

So go on....how many rapes were there? How many of the victims knew their assailant? And how did the rape figures differ from any other day in Germany as a whole?

Chrongen

The Highwayman wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/10/leaked-document-says-2000-men-allegedly-assaulted-1200-german-women-on-new-years-eve/?utm_term=.c7dc61f570c4

I'm not denying the assault/groping numbers. 600 in Cologne, 400 in Hamburg according to that article.

I'd like figures for the much more serious claim that there were mass rapes.

If a punch up occurs at a venue and multiple people are assaulted and injured and someone then comes along and says that there were multiple assaults and mass MURDERS then I would like to know the figures and the source of those figures.

ceadaoin.

Chrongen wrote: »

So how many rapes then? You see you have no problem saying there were "THOUSANDS OF RAPES (and assaults). You try to cynically allude to there being 1000s of rapes when we don't even know if any reported rapes were any more or less than the statistics for any other day.

So go on....how many rapes were there? How many of the victims knew their assailant? And how did the rape figures differ from any other day in Germany as a whole?

I already told you..28 rapes. Given as these were reported as being part of the mass assault events then I highly doubt the victims knew the perpetrator. I guess that's why the police described the events as unprecedented, because they differed wildly from the usual reported crimes on NYE. likewise with the number of reports. If you think that perhaps the police are wrong and the stats are no higher than the average then knock yourself out to find sources if you want?

Chrongen

"your heart would break for her"?
What happened to her?

Jurgen Klopp

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I am embarrassed for the German men letting this happen to their women

I'm not even gonna sugar coat this.

It's because generations of Germans have been emotionally and mentally abused since the cradle with this "shame" and "guilt" over the Holocaust and World War 2

Not to mention the fact anyone under the age of 78 or so would have been born AFTER the war ended

Yes what happened is awful have memorials even a minutes silence now and again but **** off with instilling this ingrained guilt for something they never took part in

There's nothing wrong with wanting to defend your people, nation or culture. The Germans would are so ****ed up mentally the thought of mass deportions would have them whipping themselves like Opus Dei members

Chrongen

I read that it was 4 in 2 months.
So who were the perpetrators in these attacks since I don't know if anybody has been charged?

Chrongen

I'm talking about the 20+ reported RAPES not the groping that occurred at the train station.

Ceadaoin stated that there were 28 reported rapes in Cologne but won't go any further than that. He won't acknowledge that since the majority of rapes are perpetrated by someone known to the victim and since this is a fact then it would stand to reason that if the 28 victims were German women then chances are the majority of these rapes were instigated by German men.

How many of these 28 reported rapes occurred at house parties?

ceadaoin.

Chrongen wrote: »

I'm talking about the 20+ reported RAPES not the groping that occurred at the train station.

Ceadaoin stated that there were 28 reported rapes in Cologne but won't go any further than that. He won't acknowledge that since the majority of rapes are perpetrated by someone known to the victim and since this is a fact then it would stand to reason that if the 28 victims were German women then chances are the majority of these rapes were instigated by German men.

How many of these 28 reported rapes occurred at house parties?

Ffs, I did acknowledge that most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. I stated that given as these were included as being part of the events where groups of men attacked women, then I think it's safe to say that its unlikely to be the case here. Its also unlikely that any of those occurred at house parties also due to their inclusion in the aforementioned stats. There were probably other rapes reported that night that were not included in the 28 because they didn't happen as part of this event. I mean, it's not that hard to understand is it?

How about you provide sources for the number of rapes reported on other years if you don't think that the number is any higher?

MSVforever

According to the German media the majority of sexual assaults on NYE in Cologne were committed by men from Maghreb countries.
This was confirmed by the local police.

Those scumbags were looking for easy victims. In their minds women from non Islamic countries are all slappers and shouldn't be out on the street partying in the first place.
Used to live close enough to a Turkish/Arabic ghetto in Germany (some of you might have heard of Duisburg-Marxloh) and have encountered this attitude a lot.
As a result a lot of Turkish girls wouldn't be allowed to socialise without male family members.

It's a completely different mentality which clashes with our values.

I say f@ck this nonsense. If you don't like it then emigrate to Saudi-Arabia etc. I want to live in a free society where women can party as much as they want without getting hassle.

Irishmale0399

MSVforever wrote: »

According to the German media the majority of sexual assaults on NYE in Cologne were committed by men from Maghreb countries.
This was confirmed by the local police.

Those scumbags were looking for easy victims. In their minds women from non Islamic countries are all slappers and shouldn't be out on the street partying in the first place.
Used to live close enough to a Turkish/Arabic ghetto in Germany (some of you might have heard of Duisburg-Marxloh) and have encountered this attitude a lot.
As a result a lot of Turkish girls wouldn't be allowed to socialise without male family members.

It's a completely different mentality which clashes with our values.

I say f@ck this nonsense. If you don't like it then emigrate to Saudi-Arabia etc. I want to live in a free society where women can party as much as they want without getting hassle.

Great spot for buying wedding dresses is Marxloh and in some cases for finding a wife. One or two of the shops offer a service....buy a dress and get a wife delivered with it direct from Turkey. A former workmate used the service. All organised by socalled muslim elders, most living here in the second or third generation and who still cannot speak a word of German.

MSVforever

Even a left wing night club in Germany which tried to be inclusive got their fair share..... :

http://m.dw.com/en/leipzig-leftist-club-reports-sexual-attacks-by-refugees/a-36099316

MSVforever

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Great spot for buying wedding dresses is Marxloh and in some cases for finding a wife. One or two of the shops offer a service....buy a dress and get a wife delivered with it direct from Turkey. A former workmate used the service. All organised by socalled muslim elders, most living here in the second or third generation and who still cannot speak a word of German.

I'm not surprised by this tbh. I studied a few years in University of Duisburg and met a really nice well educated Turkish guy.
Went to loads of student parties etc. Lost touch with this guy for a while and met him in town with his wife. His uncle arranged the marriage. The girl was completely covered up and had not one word of German.
I was kind of shocked tbh and asked him for the reason. He said that German girls are a no go and Turkish girls who grew up in Germany are too emancipated....

Irishmale0399

MSVforever wrote: »

I'm not surprised by this tbh. I studied a few years in University of Duisburg and met a really nice well educated Turkish guy.
Went to loads of student parties etc. Lost touch with this guy for a while and met him in town with his wife. His uncle arranged the marriage. The girl was completely covered up and had not one word of German.
I was kind of shocked tbh and asked him for the reason. He said that German girls are a no go and Turkish girls who grew up in Germany are too emancipated....

Have it in the wifes family.....cousin married a Turkish lad she met at Uni. He was 110% western and couldnt stand traditional Turkish culture. That was until he got her pregnant and brain washed her. Roll on 3 years later and she was at her fathers birthday party in Nov. wearing a head scarf telling us that he wanted her to convert as he doesnt like what western women stand for.
I personally had to be held back when he started recommending to me that we should all look at the muslim way of life as being the only way.

Well thank god...Christmas eve we got a call...she wanted to be picked up in Duisburg...marriage is over.

RasTa

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Have it in the wifes family.....cousin married a Turkish lad she met at Uni. He was 110% western and couldnt stand traditional Turkish culture. That was until he got her pregnant and brain washed her. Roll on 3 years later and she was at her fathers birthday party in Nov. wearing a head scarf telling us that he wanted her to convert as he doesnt like what western women stand for.
I personally had to be held back when he started recommending to me that we should all look at the muslim way of life as being the only way.

Well thank god...Christmas eve we got a call...she wanted to be picked up in Duisburg...marriage is over.

Why held back? Mormons knock on your door saying the same in Ireland.

Anyway as I've said before, introducing these lads to so much ready made booze is one of the primary drivers for these assaults

India is a mess atm for females because of this

Jurgen Klopp

RasTa wrote: »

Why held back? Mormons knock on your door saying the same in Ireland.

Anyway as I've said before, introducing these lads to so much ready made booze is one of the primary drivers for these assaults

India is a mess atm for females because of this

God help us your honor, sure they only sexually assaulted them cause of the oul drink tis a terrible affliction when your a light weight

What an absolute ****ing cop out of an excuse as laughable as the "the sexual assaults were only a distraction for a bit of pickpocketing"

RasTa

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

God help us your honor, sure they only sexually assaulted them cause of the oul drink tis a terrible affliction when your a light weight

What an absolute ****ing cop out of an excuse as laughable as the "the sexual assaults were only a distraction for a bit of pickpocketing"

Never gave it as an excuse, it's the reason it's happening. Nobody seems to care about the reason. Similar to when Irish scum have offence number 102 against them and as long as we continue to not care about the reason the longer it will go on.

Irishmale0399

RasTa wrote: »

Never gave it as an excuse, it's the reason it's happening. Nobody seems to care about the reason. Similar to when Irish scum have offence number 102 against them and as long as we continue to not care about the reason the longer it will go on.

If you think for one minute that alcohol is the reason for these pests doing what they do then you really should......go for a long walk and have a chat with reality.

They do not respect our culture, religions or traditions and know that they will have it better in European prisons which they are very likely never to see than at home. How would they react if I entered their community and raped or sexually assaulted one of their ladys, sisters, mothers......blood would flow.

Mutant z

RasTa wrote: »

Why held back? Mormons knock on your door saying the same in Ireland.

Anyway as I've said before, introducing these lads to so much ready made booze is one of the primary drivers for these assaults

India is a mess atm for females because of this

Thats right its all the fault of alcohal not a particular culture which regards women as pieces of meat to be used and abused it must be alcohol.

Will I Am Not

I’m sure these sexual deviants can’t believe their luck. They have authorities and media downplaying and covering up and have strangers in other countries making excuses for them online.
That’ll teach ‘em.

RasTa

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

If you think for one minute that alcohol is the reason for these pests doing what they do then you really should......go for a long walk and have a chat with reality.

They do not respect our culture, religions or traditions and know that they will have it better in European prisons which they are very likely never to see than at home. How would they react if I entered their community and raped or sexually assaulted one of their ladys, sisters, mothers......blood would flow.

Rubbish, I thought they don't care about women? I've seen enough of it in India by Hindu's during festivals resulting in a lot of fist fights during my 6 month stay this year.

In 2013 a study revealed that someone dies every 96mins in India due to alcohol. There is a reason the yanks tried to ban it and that was almost 100 years ago in 1920.

These immigrants are basically 100 years behind western society and it shows.

Chrongen

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Ffs, I did acknowledge that most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. I stated that given as these were included as being part of the events where groups of men attacked women, then I think it's safe to say that its unlikely to be the case here. Its also unlikely that any of those occurred at house parties also due to their inclusion in the aforementioned stats. There were probably other rapes reported that night that were not included in the 28 because they didn't happen as part of this event. I mean, it's not that hard to understand is it?

How about you provide sources for the number of rapes reported on other years if you don't think that the number is any higher?

So of the 28 reported rapes in Cologne on New Years Eve, back then..how many can be attributed to people none other than those who would normally rape a woman or attempt to on any given day?

JenovaProject

Chrongen wrote: »

So of the 28 reported rapes in Cologne on New Years Eve, back then..how many can be attributed to people none other than those who would normally rape a woman or attempt to on any given day?

What kind of bollox are you trying to spew?
There was obviously a major problem in Koln that year...the German cops said so!!
You are just trying to muddy the waters.

Ring the Koln police and ask for their breakdown of what exactly happened.

Whats is guaranteed is that there was a mass sexual assault of women that night and some of which were rapes,no amount of your stupid silly bull**** can change that.

ceadaoin.

Chrongen wrote: »

So of the 28 reported rapes in Cologne on New Years Eve, back then..how many can be attributed to people none other than those who would normally rape a woman or attempt to on any given day?

What are you on about? And to think you accused me of "gibberish" earlier lol. You're just taking the piss now clearly.

Thousands (yes thousands) of men gathered all across Germany on that night with the intention of assaulting and in some cases raping women. And they did. Thats an undisputed fact. Speak to the German police if you disagree with their interpretation of the events

Any luck with finding evidence for your suggestion that there were no more rapes than usual? And that these rapes were committed by people known to the victims despite the police inferring otherwise?

Chrongen

ceadaoin. wrote: »

What are you on about? And to think you accused me of "gibberish" earlier lol. You're just taking the piss now clearly.

Thousands (yes thousands) of men gathered all across Germany on that night with the intention of assaulting and in some cases raping women. And they did. Thats an undisputed fact. Speak to the German police if you disagree with their interpretation of the events

Any luck with finding evidence for your suggestion that there were no more rapes than usual? And that these rapes were committed by people known to the victims despite the police inferring otherwise?

How many rapes were reported tonight in Cologne?

I'm not talking about anything other than rapes. How many were reported tonight?

JenovaProject

Chrongen wrote: »

How many rapes were reported tonight in Cologne?

I'm not talking about anything other than rapes. How many were reported tonight?

Ooops...I think they call this jumping the shark....scarlet for yeh.lol

4 or 5 hours after NYE you ask boardsies for police reports.
You are barking up the wrong tree.

ceadaoin.

Chrongen wrote: »

How many rapes were reported tonight in Cologne?

I'm not talking about anything other than rapes. How many were reported tonight?

Do they have a live ticker or something? How is anyone supposed to know that. And what would that have to do with what happened 2 years ago anyway?

Chrongen

ceadaoin. wrote: »

What are you on about? And to think you accused me of "gibberish" earlier lol. You're just taking the piss now clearly.

Thousands (yes thousands) of men gathered all across Germany on that night with the intention of assaulting and in some cases raping women. And they did. Thats an undisputed fact. Speak to the German police if you disagree with their interpretation of the events

Any luck with finding evidence for your suggestion that there were no more rapes than usual? And that these rapes were committed by people known to the victims despite the police inferring otherwise?

Do you have any evidence of 28 rapes? There must be at least an arrest, charge, conviction.

Out of 28 rapes there must be something, no?

ceadaoin.

Chrongen wrote: »

Do you have any evidence of 28 rapes? There must be at least an arrest, charge, conviction.

Out of 28 rapes there must be something, no?

Are you only able to reply to posts with unrelated questions?

Chrongen

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Are you only able to reply to posts with unrelated questions?

You may think that I'm merely playing Devil's Advocate, however it has been forwarded that 28 rapes occurred in Cologne on New Years Eve, what 3 or 4 years ago.

All I'm asking is that someone follow up with the details of these 28 rapes.

Were anybody caught, charged, tried, convicted?

Of those who were (hopefelly) brought to justice and sentenced (and hopefully incarcerated) do we have names?

And of those who have been charged, tried and convicted or acquitted do we have their names?

gw80

Chrongen wrote: »

You may think that I'm merely playing Devil's Advocate, however it has been forwarded that 28 rapes occurred in Cologne on New Years Eve, what 3 or 4 years ago.

All I'm asking is that someone follow up with the details of these 28 rapes.

Were anybody caught, charged, tried, convicted?

Of those who were (hopefelly) brought to justice and sentenced (and hopefully incarcerated) do we have names?

And of those who have been charged, tried and convicted or acquitted do we have their names?

Also, what colour underpants did they have on when they were arrested?and what was the political affiliations of the women that they raped,
See anyone can just keep asking questions and move the goalposts until the thread becomes repetitive and its eventually shut down.

conorhal

Chrongen wrote: »

You may think that I'm merely playing Devil's Advocate, however it has been forwarded that 28 rapes occurred in Cologne on New Years Eve, what 3 or 4 years ago.

All I'm asking is that someone follow up with the details of these 28 rapes.

Were anybody caught, charged, tried, convicted?

Of those who were (hopefelly) brought to justice and sentenced (and hopefully incarcerated) do we have names?

And of those who have been charged, tried and convicted or acquitted do we have their names?

Yes. Go look it up lazybones! *Spoiler* The vast majority of those arrested and convicted were migrants.

conorhal

JenovaProject wrote: »

What kind of bollox are you trying to spew?
There was obviously a major problem in Koln that year...the German cops said so!!
You are just trying to muddy the waters.

Ring the Koln police and ask for their breakdown of what exactly happened.

Whats is guaranteed is that there was a mass sexual assault of women that night and some of which were rapes,no amount of your stupid silly bull**** can change that.

Well I wouldn't expect the police to say much given the fact that they initially reported that the night passed off peacefully when all that happened in Cologne. The real story actually broke on line and there was a huge scandal in Germany about the fact that both the police and media tried to cover it up.
I'd imagine last night probably was a quiet night however. The perpetrators of those crimes were cowardly opportunists that took advantage of an unsuspecting crowd used to generally peaceful and good natured events.
You'd be mad to put the 'ol taharrush gamea gang back together for a bit of fun this year given the level of awareness and policing at pretty much any public event in major European cities these days.

Richard Hillman

I suppose we will find out in the next 4-5 days on how New Years went in Germany.

Grayson

JenovaProject wrote: »

Ooops...I think they call this jumping the shark....scarlet for yeh.lol

4 or 5 hours after NYE you ask boardsies for police reports.
You are barking up the wrong tree.

To be fair, if theres anything happening anywhere in the world and there's a whiff of islam someone posts it up here immediately.

The Backwards Man

Grayson wrote: »

To be fair, if theres anything happening anywhere in the world and there's a whiff of islam someone posts it up here immediately.

It's the most vile and evil cancer afflicting every single man, woman and child in the world today, didn't you know?

You only think you have problems now buddy, wait til Islam kicks you in the face.

professore

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Not going to start a thread but it angered me because I have seen the dying old people in that hospital - they care nothing of material things - and they are deprived of the things that matter to them.

A crib means fcuk all to us, but to them it's all that is left. It's their faith and belief before they die - a comfort - deprived for stupid reasons.

In relation to the thread it's the question of whether the natives make these things worse. Ergo this in Berlin.

Trust me, having lived in Berlin for the last nine years, it is most certainly not Berlin. The natives in Berlin are far more tolerant of the traditions and faiths of different groups, be they Christian, Islam, Judaism or whatever; as well as different sub-cultures and special-interest groups that would fall outside relgious definitions.

As to the thread at hand, this is not a segregation of a "women-only party-zone" - it's a retreat zone for women who have been victims of sexual assault or molestation. It's not a party anything.

A while back, there was a thread here on whether or not a slap on the ass of a woman was acceptable and, while it was by no means a majority, a surprising amount of people said they saw no problem with it. And they weren't all muslims or immigrants.

I'd argue that such an area would see just as much use in a Dublin nightclub than a Berlin NYE party.

Over a thousand women were brutally gang raped in Cologne a few years back, including a police officer. A far cry from a slap on the arse in a nightclub. Not condoning the latter but have some perspective.

Odhinn

professore wrote: »

Over a thousand women were brutally gang raped in Cologne a few years back, including a police officer. A far cry from a slap on the arse in a nightclub. Not condoning the latter but have some perspective.

No, they weren't.