Calf price chitchat

JeffKenna

And taking off the rose tinted glasses let's not forget farmers didn't declare half of what they earned 30 years ago. If anything has changed its the high tax now a days as everything is declared.

Buford T. Justice XIX

My older sister was a year ahead of me in school and was one of the few who got jobs in Ireland. Very few of her year went to 3rd level and over half emigrated.



The next year, most of my year went to 3rd level and few emigrated. And her year was the last of those wild geese, it's not something that's too common now, thankfully. Most of her class returned over the years, too.

Base price

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

My older sister was a year ahead of me in school and was one of the few who got jobs in Ireland. Very few of her year went to 3rd level and over half emigrated.



The next year, most of my year went to 3rd level and few emigrated. And her year was the last of those wild geese, it's not something that's too common now, thankfully. Most of her class returned over the years, too.

I remember sitting in long ques at petrol stations with my Dad, sister or eldest brother hoping to get our quota of £20 worth of petrol. In those days most of the cars were petrol. A friend of my Dad's took the petrol engine out of a Jaguar car and replaced it with a diesel engine as diesel was more available.

alps

Cavanjack wrote: »

Also there was no-one making money like farmers 30 years ago. Maybe it's just that other industries have caught up wage wise since. What was the wage of a factory worker back in the late 80's I wonder, would they have made
10k a year?

Mid 80's I was paid 1200/ month and used to take home between 630 and 660 after tax..

And for those that think things only get more expensive.....a return flight to London cost 300...

Country town, 4 of us in a 4 bed detached...rent 40/month each...

Base price

alps wrote: »

Mid 80's I was paid 1200/ month and used to take home between 630 and 660 after tax..

And for those that think things only get more expensive.....a return flight to London cost 300...

Ah but you could smoke on the planes in those days.

alps

Base price wrote: »

Ah but you could smoke on the planes in those days.

Imagine.....can you actually imagine...

Base price

alps wrote: »

Imagine.....can you actually imagine...

The PC brigade have a lot to answer for :rolleyes:

Panch18

whelan2 wrote: »

Aye so what's the plan for the Bank Holiday weekend?

What’s that???

Panch18

yewtree wrote: »

What relevance has what happened 30 years got? What other industry is operating the same way it did 30 years ago?
Agricultural prices are what they are you can either make it work or you can't.
Farmers are not the only industry that work longer than 40 hours/week ask any small business owner. If farmers can never get away from the farm they are just badly organised.

Like I said if you can’t see the relevance of the past then just keep your head firmly buried in that sand

Panch18

Cavanjack wrote: »

Also there was no-one making money like farmers 30 years ago. Maybe it's just that other industries have caught up wage wise since. What was the wage of a factory worker back in the late 80's I wonder, would they have made
10k a year?

It’s not that other industries have caught up, it’s that they have past farmers a million times over

The “dairy industry” pay damn good wages, certainly Glanbia do anyway, it’s just that the farmer part of the “dairy industry” has to work harder and harder for less and less

_Brian

Panch18 wrote: »

It’s not that other industries have caught up, it’s that they have past farmers a million times over

The “dairy industry” pay damn good wages, certainly Glanbia do anyway, it’s just that the farmer part of the “dairy industry” has to work harder and harder for less and less

Farmers incomes were protected by locally run coops where the board would fix a fair price to ensure farmers got suitably paid to make a profit.

Progress in the guise of short term greed sold out the coops to become plc’s. The job of a plc is to provide profit for shareholders even if that means squeezing suppliers to break them.

whelan2

Anyone been at sales the last few days?

mf240

whelan2 wrote: »

Anyone been at sales the last few days?

Wcc have free calves again :pac:

whelan2

mf240 wrote: »

Wcc have free calves again :pac:

Are you tempted?

Murang

whelan2 wrote: »

Anyone been at sales the last few days?

Was in Macroom today I see nothing cheap there bad calves made small money Good calves making big money

mf240

whelan2 wrote: »

Are you tempted?

No. You have to buy replacer off him.

I'll just keep my own would be afraid of bringing in scour

Timmaay

21/22e I averaged after commission for 8 4/5wk old frs/frx bulls in blessington Thur. Best price was 45e for one of the frx ha!

Castlekeeper

Who2 wrote: »

If they were they were wealthy, I was in a large family home today that took 4K pound to build in 81. Interest rates at 17 or 18 %

Ate you dead sure I'd that price? My parents house, a normal 2000 ft' bungalow with no site cost £22k in 1979.

Cavanjack

Panch18 wrote: »

It’s not that other industries have caught up, it’s that they have past farmers a million times over

The “dairy industry” pay damn good wages, certainly Glanbia do anyway, it’s just that the farmer part of the “dairy industry” has to work harder and harder for less and less

A million times over? The average industrial wage is around 40k is it not. Surely the average dairy man/woman is making plenty more along with that

Pidae.m

Murang wrote: »

Was in Macroom today I see nothing cheap there bad calves made small money Good calves making big money

Ya fine trade there. Small sale too. There was a good row over a 3rd tier Bb heifer calf in skibb..... €410

Bullocks

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Ate you dead sure I'd that price? My parents house, a normal 2000 ft' bungalow with no site cost £22k in 1979.

I asked my old fella there and he said he built the bungalow we were reared in for £8000 in 1980 . He was milking about 20 cows and selling the bullocks at about 3 and maybe 4 yrs old to a butcher and selling the heifers as calves .
He would have been supporting his parents and the home house out of that but was able to build without borrowing all the same . Now it was a very straight forward small bungalow but werent they all back then

Dakota Dan

Panch18 wrote: »

It’s not that other industries have caught up, it’s that they have past farmers a million times over

The “dairy industry” pay damn good wages, certainly Glanbia do anyway, it’s just that the farmer part of the “dairy industry” has to work harder and harder for less and less

You can say that again my sister in laws daughter got a job with Kerry co op last year, it's a top job in fairness but her first week wages included a bonus of 2k. She thought it was a mistake and told them about it and they said it was a bonus for changing jobs :mad: I don't begrudge her as she worked her way to the top on her own from secondary school but it's easy see where the milk profits go.

Dakota Dan

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Ate you dead sure I'd that price? My parents house, a normal 2000 ft' bungalow with no site cost £22k in 1979.

Same size bungalow here in 1987 £33k, I know a man that built a 3 bedroom bungalow in the late 60's for £3k. I doubt it was built for £4k in 1981.

Dakota Dan

Bullocks wrote: »

I asked my old fella there and he said he built the bungalow we were reared in for £8000 in 1980 . He was milking about 20 cows and selling the bullocks at about 3 and maybe 4 yrs old to a butcher and selling the heifers as calves .
He would have been supporting his parents and the home house out of that but was able to build without borrowing all the same . Now it was a very straight forward small bungalow but werent they all back then

Was that price ready to walk in or just the bare house?

mayota

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Was that price ready to walk in or just the bare house?

One and the same back then I’d say.

wrangler

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Ate you dead sure I'd that price? My parents house, a normal 2000 ft' bungalow with no site cost £22k in 1979.

Yea I built a 1500sqft house for my parents in 1978, it cost £16000

Dakota Dan

wrangler wrote: »

Yea I built a 1500sqft house for my parents in 1978, it cost £16000

You'd hardly build a cabby house for 4k in 1981

Base price

I built my 1500 sq/ft three bed bungalow in 1989 for £40k in NCD. My relations in Longford built a 4 bed double fronted/double storey house for £28 the same year.

Bass Reeves

I build an 1800 sq ft dormer for 48K in 1991 not including site. It was finished with bathrooms, kitchen, Stanley oil range stove in sitting room. No carpets or painting. I did that after we moved in. The kitchen cost 2450 pounds, the oil range and stove cost 2800 pounds. I bought an antique cast iron surround cost 500 pounds. Ware for main bathroom cost 800 pounds and for other bathroom cost about 300 pounds. I tiled the bathrooms myself and the wall in the kitchen. That also included all digging out and grounds works. PVC windows and doors along with 2 patio doors cost 4500 pounds. The teak stairs cost 950 pounds.

Block layer cost 2900 pounds, the carpenter cost 1500 pounds for the roof and 700 pounds for the second fix. the plasterer cost 2100 pounds. Blocks were about 330/1K to buy. Concrete was about 38-40/cuM. Cannot remember how much the timber cost. Two Dublin Chimney pots cost 56 pounds each. This also included the ESB connection which cost 850 pounds. Did the road crossing for the water myself and the digger driver. Applied to the Council and got the licience no Public liability insurance at the time. Crossing was about 60 pounds

Bullocks

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Was that price ready to walk in or just the bare house?

I'd say walk in but that wouldn't marble worktops kinda finish . Cot for myself anyhow would have to be bought

Bullocks

wrangler wrote: »

Yea I built a 1500sqft house for my parents in 1978, it cost £16000

Was there a boom in the buildings during the 70's ?

farisfat

It's only 10 years since calves were being imported into ireland.....now the natives are hard sold.

wrangler

Bullocks wrote: »

Was there a boom in the buildings during the 70's ?

Probably, we were just gone into the EU, Interest rates rocketed after to 20%,
I built a garage and fuel shed as well for that price, one builder did it all

Base price

Bullocks wrote: »

Was there a boom in the buildings during the 70's ?

Yes. The Central Bank in Dame Street would be a good example of the building boom at that time.

Dakota Dan

Anyway back to calf prices, I sold 3 well fed 4-5 wk old friesian bull calves in kanturk last week, 6L of milk in 2 feeds every day, anyone guess how much i'll be getting in the cheque next week?

Base price

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Anyway back to calf prices, I sold 3 well fed 4-5 wk old friesian bull calves in kanturk last week, 6L of milk in 2 feeds every day, anyone guess how much i'll be getting in the cheque next week?

€10 per head.

charolais0153

farisfat wrote: »

It's only 10 years since calves were being imported into ireland.....now the natives are hard sold.

I thought frx bull calves we're very cheap pre 2010's

Base price

farisfat wrote: »

It's only 10 years since calves were being imported into ireland.....now the natives are hard sold.

Surely you mean pedigree beef and dairy stock?

alps

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Anyway back to calf prices, I sold 3 well fed 4-5 wk old friesian bull calves in kanturk last week, 6L of milk in 2 feeds every day, anyone guess how much i'll be getting in the cheque next week?

270

Anto_Meath

Base price wrote: »

Yes. The Central Bank in Dame Street would be a good example of the building boom at that time.

about 10 years ago my late dad (who was a brickie since 1954) & his mate (a property developer) sat down & work out the the prices of houses in the 60's, 70's, 80's 90's & 00's based on the price of a pint of Guinness in them years. What they found was it was more or less the same number of pintz to buy a house over all the years, but ur weekly wage bought less pints in each decade.....

whelan2

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Anyway back to calf prices, I sold 3 well fed 4-5 wk old friesian bull calves in kanturk last week, 6L of milk in 2 feeds every day, anyone guess how much i'll be getting in the cheque next week?

How long do you have to wait for the cheque? In Ardee you have the cheque home with you from the sale

Reggie.

whelan2 wrote: »

How long do you have to wait for the cheque? In Ardee you have the cheque home with you from the sale

Takes a week around here

whelan2

Reggie. wrote: »

Takes a week around here

I normally lodge the cheque on the way home from mart

orm0nd

Bullocks wrote: »

I asked my old fella there and he said he built the bungalow we were reared in for £8000 in 1980 . He was milking about 20 cows and selling the bullocks at about 3 and maybe 4 yrs old to a butcher and selling the heifers as calves .
He would have been supporting his parents and the home house out of that but was able to build without borrowing all the same . Now it was a very straight forward small bungalow but werent they all back then

Much same here about 7500 in 1978. I done a lot of the labour myself and we were lucky that I had some massive Douglas Fir trees that my ancestors planted, which supplied all the timber for the roof.

Bullocks

orm0nd wrote: »

Much same here about 7500 in 1978. I done a lot of the labour myself and we were lucky that I had some massive Douglas Fir trees that my ancestors planted, which supplied all the timber for the roof.

Yeah the grandfather would have done any labour possible on it aswell. Any idea what it would have cost to cut the trees into timber at the time?
I bought a small roof there and thought it dear. About 8k for timber and slates

wrangler

Bullocks wrote: »

Yeah the grandfather would have done any labour possible on it aswell. Any idea what it would have cost to cut the trees into timber at the time?
I bought a small roof there and thought it dear. About 8k for timber and slates

If I knew then what I know now I'd have left the parents in their own house and fecked off and got a job

Bullocks

wrangler wrote: »

If I knew then what I know now I'd have left the parents in their own house and fecked off and got a job

My own father would be of the same mind even though he saw plenty of good years and no more than yourself has his pension well bumped up with his payments.

orm0nd

Bullocks wrote: »

Yeah the grandfather would have done any labour possible on it aswell. Any idea what it would have cost to cut the trees into timber at the time?
I bought a small roof there and thought it dear. About 8k for timber and slates

think the guy that felled them was 100 and the sawmill over 200, we also had the runners and trusses for a 4 bay leanto, remember borrowing a low loader for drawing the lenghts to the mill.

Castlekeeper

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Anyway back to calf prices, I sold 3 well fed 4-5 wk old friesian bull calves in kanturk last week, 6L of milk in 2 feeds every day, anyone guess how much i'll be getting in the cheque next week?

If they were good square calves with some BrFr or non holstein breeding I'd say 350, if they were average Ho Fr calves -150?

cute geoge

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Anyway back to calf prices, I sold 3 well fed 4-5 wk old friesian bull calves in kanturk last week, 6L of milk in 2 feeds every day, anyone guess how much i'll be getting in the cheque next week?

Probably close enough to €100 but that price still not as disappointing as local guy who sold well fed fr yierlings last week 390 kg for €520