Calf price chitchat

Bass Reeves

Castlekeeper wrote: »

If their good calves, I think 200 would be fair on both parties, while you might pick them up here and the cheaper, he would have got 250-300 if it wasn't for the lockdown.

Beef is down to 3.5/kg base. A 330kg DW heifer grading R= will make 1220 at slaughter. That leaves 1k to cover costs and margin for two years work

Mortelaro

visatorro wrote: »

How did mart operate with new restrictions?

You dropped the calves up and left
Only the buyers were there
Very badly organised calves taken by the buyer at his price and you weren't told!
Noone rung!
Mine were on the way to the north
Very vexed I ordered them back and collected them
Total joke

Siamsa Sessions

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Beef is down to 3.5/kg base. A 330kg DW heifer grading R= will make 1220 at slaughter. That leaves 1k to cover costs and margin for two years work

Thanks for the replies. Wouldn’t leave a huge margin (does anything?) but I’d be OK with those figures.

I’ll give him a shout for a chat on it tomorrow

Mortelaro

Same crack here now in Enniscorthy mart
Shipper offering 90 euros for the best of Angus heifers and bull calves,a whole pen beside us
We haggled him up to 120 but are bringing them home
Its a joke

Mooooo

Mortelaro wrote: »

Same crack here now in Enniscorthy mart
Shipper offering 90 euros for the best of Angus heifers and bull calves,a whole pen beside us
We haggled him up to 120 but are bringing them home
Its a joke

With the new 120 day rule some lads may hold, could force exporters up a bit. Not likely to happen down here in west cork tho

Albert Johnson

Mortelaro wrote: »

Same crack here now in Enniscorthy mart
Shipper offering 90 euros for the best of Angus heifers and bull calves,a whole pen beside us
We haggled him up to 120 but are bringing them home
Its a joke

What town will you head for tomorrow and will it be any better? Trucking them around the country costs money and although the price isn't great I can't see why cattle prices in general will improve in the short term. It's none of my business but usually when lads show cattle they want to sell them and it's definitely a buyer's market atm.

The decision is yours but I'd start to think long and hard about what's staying or going from round the yard regardless of what looks a good or bad price because the outlook isn't great in my eyes anyway. Before anyone mentions it I neither buy or sell suck calves so have no skin in the game.

liosnagceann75

Sold Aax heifers €200 and Aax bulls €250 out of the yard yesterday and today. Local agent organised 2 buyers to call and see them. Best prices I got in the mart this year was €230 for heifers and €295 for bulls. I don't like selling out of the yard but I'm happy enough with the prices. Good strong calves 3 - 5 weeks

Mortelaro

Albert Johnson wrote: »

What town will you head for tomorrow and will it be any better? Trucking them around the country costs money and although the price isn't great I can't see why cattle prices in general will improve in the short term. It's none of my business but usually when lads show cattle they want to sell them and it's definitely a buyer's market atm.

The decision is yours but I'd start to think long and hard about what's staying or going from round the yard regardless of what looks a good or bad price because the outlook isn't great in my eyes anyway. Before anyone mentions it I neither buy or sell suck calves so have no skin in the game.

Oh I agree
This was a different set of calves to yesterday
It was always planned to do both to see what the situation was
No other way of knowing
Looks like its cattle and dairy farming for me until this crisis is over
No point giving them away for others

Albert Johnson

Mortelaro wrote: »

Oh I agree
This was a different set of calves to yesterday
It was always planned to do both to see what the situation was
No other way of knowing
Looks like its cattle and dairy farming for me until this crisis is over
No point giving them away for others

Perhaps my first post came across as harsh and I meant it more as a pause for thought rather than recommending selling at any price just to get them gone. If your in a position to rear the calves without over stretching your resources then it's definitely an option. However if you need to sell for whatever reason then today would probably be better than tomorrow imo.

I'm not saying that it's the end of the world regards cattle farming but as above I don't see any great light on the horizon in the short term. This is just my own personal thoughts based on all the apparent problems facing the sector currently. In short if you think you can weather the storm in the medium term then hold out but if you need to sell I'd be advising to start making decisions sooner rather than later.

yewtree

Sold calves this week to a neighbour. All Hereford calves, herd here has a good bit of jersey in it.
€85 for heifers and €110 bulls, AI bred, 10-18 days old. I hope he has a turn out of them. Cant see any margin in keeping them on the farm for any longer.

Siamsa Sessions

Calf jobbers had the run of New Ross as well today apparently.

BB heifer calves went from €120-220 depending on age and condition

Hard Knocks

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Calf jobbers had the run of New Ross as well today apparently.

BB heifer calves went from €120-220 depending on age and condition

If that’s the run of it
Time to find farmer customers and sell out of the yard
No point paying commission and deal with that

Mortelaro

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Perhaps my first post came across as harsh and I meant it more as a pause for thought rather than recommending selling at any price just to get them gone. If your in a position to rear the calves without over stretching your resources then it's definitely an option. However if you need to sell for whatever reason then today would probably be better than tomorrow imo.

I'm not saying that it's the end of the world regards cattle farming but as above I don't see any great light on the horizon in the short term. This is just my own personal thoughts based on all the apparent problems facing the sector currently. In short if you think you can weather the storm in the medium term then hold out but if you need to sell I'd be advising to start making decisions sooner rather than later.

Yeah doing the maths, I'd have the resources to run them alright and I'm already starting out 40 to 80 euros a head ahead of the jobber that was buying today and yesterday and 200 + per calf ahead of the lad buying the same 2 weeks ago,is my logic if you follow?
It's not a huge number in my case,and surely marts will be back in full by next spring? Otherwise we are all royally fucked

DukeCaboom

Neighbour got €300 for serious hex bull calves & €270 for heifers from Gortatlea.

3 the square

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Neighbour got €300 for serious hex bull calves & €270 for heifers from Gortatlea.

How did they manage the sale with the new arrangement ??

alps

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Neighbour got €300 for serious hex bull calves & €270 for heifers from Gortatlea.

What system of selling have they.

DukeCaboom

He calls out, buys the calves and u drop them to the mart.

cute geoge

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Neighbour got €300 for serious hex bull calves & €270 for heifers from Gortatlea.

I would presume 6 week old calves

DukeCaboom

cute geoge wrote: »

I would presume 6 week old calves

A good six weeks..

alps

DukeCaboom wrote: »

He calls out, buys the calves and u drop them to the mart.

Excellent...

It means you can say no at home, rather than having to return to a mart after saying no..

dar31

any prices for
Hex and AAx calves bulls and heifers
2-3 weeks old
a neighbour got a few to put on milky cows in a hurry
but we never agreed price

Siamsa Sessions

dar31 wrote: »

any prices for
Hex and AAx calves bulls and heifers
2-3 weeks old
a neighbour got a few to put on milky cows in a hurry
but we never agreed price

If it’s any use to you, I paid €80 for 3-4 week old AAx heifers last week

whelan2

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

If it’s any use to you, I paid €80 for 3-4 week old AAx heifers last week

Getting 80 for aa heifers and 100 for aa bulls all over 2 weeks. Other people probably getting more but that's life

Timmaay

200 for he bulls and 150 he heifers, 4/5wks old outa the yard to the local dealer who you prb know well dar ha.

Siamsa Sessions

Do many on here vaccinate calves for coccidiosis?

Is it expensive per calf?

older by the day

105 for 2wk old as bulls, for export. Are they exporting heifers

tanko

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Do many on here vaccinate calves for coccidiosis?

Is it expensive per calf?

I think Vecoxan works out at about €6 per three week old calf.
Haven't been doing mine this year as have been letting them out at about 10 days old, too soon at that age.
Hopefully with the dry weather there won't be as much coccidiosis about, time will tell.

atlantic mist

sold throu ross
300 bb bull *1
180 lm heifer *3
200 lm bull *2

sold private
70 fr bull *15

export price after crashing to 50

Siamsa Sessions

tanko wrote: »

I think Vecoxan works out at about €6 per three week old calf.
Haven't been doing mine this year as have been letting them out at about 10 days old, too soon at that age.
Hopefully with the dry weather there won't be as much coccidiosis about, time will tell.

Thanks for that.

I gave Vecoxan to lambs before - it’s a drench, isn’t it? Or does it come in injection form for vaccines?

tanko

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Thanks for that.

I gave Vecoxan to lambs before - it’s a drench, isn’t it? Or does it come in injection form for vaccines?

Yeah, it's a dose down the throat. Don't think it comes in injection form.
I wouldn't call it a vaccine. If you give it to calves at least three weeks old it's a good help to preventing coccidiosis.

Gawddawggonnit

BBx males €350.
BBx females €280.

Chx males €350.
Chx females €300.

Limx males €285.
Limx females €190.

Hol males €100-130.

All calves 15-18 days. Sold to local veal sheds. Looking like local veal producers are finally willing to commit to local calf producers...
I’ve a feeling that this virus is showing the importance of local product because of the unreliability of distribution chains?

simx

Sold a few yesterday in yard,
Hex bull €220
Hex heifer €80 (small)
Fr bull €60
Ch bull €200 - plain enough type
Bb bull €350
Bb heifer €200

dar31

simx wrote: »

Sold a few yesterday in yard,
Hex bull €220
Hex heifer €80 (small)
Fr bull €60
Ch bull €200 - plain enough type
Bb bull €350
Bb heifer €200

What ages were they?

visatorro

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

All calves 15-18 days. Sold to local veal sheds. Looking like local veal producers are finally willing to commit to local calf producers... I’ve a feeling that this virus is showing the importance of local product because of the unreliability of distribution chains?

Local dealer said Holland not taking any more calves for veal as they can't sell the veal. Alot of coloured calves going to Poland apparently. Larry can sent them back in a couple of years!

visatorro

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

All calves 15-18 days. Sold to local veal sheds. Looking like local veal producers are finally willing to commit to local calf producers... I’ve a feeling that this virus is showing the importance of local product because of the unreliability of distribution chains?

Local dealer said Holland not taking any more calves for veal as they can't sell the veal. Alot of coloured calves going to Poland apparently. Larry can sent them back in a couple of years!

nhg

tanko wrote: »

Yeah, it's a dose down the throat. Don't think it comes in injection form.
I wouldn't call it a vaccine. If you give it to calves at least three weeks old it's a good help to preventing coccidiosis.

We give 30ml to calves when they are getting the blackleg & Bovipast RSP booster prior to being let out.

liosnagceann75

Sold Aax bulls and Aax heifers to a dealer out of the yard on Monday. I normally sell in the mart but a local man put this dealer onto me. Anyway we agreed a price and I was told they would probably be collected tomorrow Thursday. I haven't heard anything since and have received no herd number to do the movement online.

How long do people here give buyers to collect calves? If their collected tomorrow than that's fine but I would have a problem feeding them into the weekend or early next week.

whelan2

liosnagceann75 wrote: »

Sold Aax bulls and Aax heifers to a dealer out of the yard on Monday. I normally sell in the mart but a local man put this dealer onto me. Anyway we agreed a price and I was told they would probably be collected tomorrow Thursday. I haven't heard anything since and have received no herd number to do the movement online. You wont need a herd number if they are going for export

How long do people here give buyers to collect calves? If their collected tomorrow than that's fine but I would have a problem feeding them into the weekend or early next week.

Ring him and say you have someone else interested in them.

Castlekeeper

liosnagceann75 wrote: »

Sold Aax bulls and Aax heifers to a dealer out of the yard on Monday. I normally sell in the mart but a local man put this dealer onto me. Anyway we agreed a price and I was told they would probably be collected tomorrow Thursday. I haven't heard anything since and have received no herd number to do the movement online.

How long do people here give buyers to collect calves? If their collected tomorrow than that's fine but I would have a problem feeding them into the weekend or early next week.

Charge him €4-5 a head per day and if he kicks let him off, he's pulling the piss. If hes just a messer he'll pay up and if he doesn't want to and gets cranky you're better off not dealing with him. Get them advertised tomorrow on DD and if they're genuine good calves you'll have a plenty buyers. I put up an add two weeks ago, took it down after two days. All genuine straight calls, no bother dealing with people, and I could have sold twice as many calves as I had.

liosnagceann75

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Charge him €4-5 a head per day and if he kicks let him off, he's pulling the piss. If hes just a messer he'll pay up and if he doesn't want to and gets cranky you're better off not dealing with him. Get them advertised tomorrow on DD and if they're genuine good calves you'll have a plenty buyers. I put up an add two weeks ago, took it down after two days. All genuine straight calls, no bother dealing with people, and I could have sold twice as many calves as I had.

Thanks for the advice. Their being collected this morning (Friday). I didn't appreciate the dealers attitude when he came to buy them. It was like a case of take it or leave it. When I dug my heels in on the price he was all kind of antics like he didn't have all day to be haggling over the price. I bit my tongue to be honest as I can be a bit fiery when I get going.

Reggie.

liosnagceann75 wrote: »

Thanks for the advice. Their being collected this morning (Friday). I didn't appreciate the dealers attitude when he came to buy them. It was like a case of take it or leave it. When I dug my heels in on the price he was all kind of antics like he didn't have all day to be haggling over the price. I bit my tongue to be honest as I can be a bit fiery when I get going.

I would have shown him the gate

Siamsa Sessions

Reggie. wrote: »

I would have shown him the gate

I'd have done the same - albeit politely.

Hard to deal with anyone where you're not able to get on with them.

Castlekeeper

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

I'd have done the same - albeit politely.

Hard to deal with anyone where you're not able to get on with them.

In fairness to Lios, there was a deal done and it should be honoured where possible. Also when you've calves sold you don't want to be starting fresh again.
I dislike dealers, too much ****e follwing them, both ways, and they don't really care. It's a pleasure dealing with farmers who'll be minding the calves themselves.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

I'd have done the same - albeit politely.

Hard to deal with anyone where you're not able to get on with them.

I always try very hard to get on with lads bringing me money:pac:

Anto_Meath

Right lot of calves in Carnaross today for their on line sale, it was a good trade last week.
https://www.livestock-live.com/MartMemberAccess/Market/MartCatalogue?Mart=M186&op=list

Mooooo

What were they making ? Fcukall last week in bandon. Had a couple made 100 and then majority at 50 and they were not all that much smaller than the 100 euro calves. One was a monster off a fleckveih. The fcuking cow is still in shackles after him. AA and HE. A fr in with them made 100 then

liosnagceann75

Mooooo wrote: »

What were they making ? Fcukall last week in bandon. Had a couple made 100 and then majority at 50 and they were not all that much smaller than the 100 euro calves. One was a monster off a fleckveih. The fcuking cow is still in shackles after him. AA and HE. A fr in with them made 100 then

Are the fleckveih too hard on dairy cows?

whelan2

Castlekeeper wrote: »

In fairness to Lios, there was a deal done and it should be honoured where possible. Also when you've calves sold you don't want to be starting fresh again.
I dislike dealers, too much ****e follwing them, both ways, and they don't really care. It's a pleasure dealing with farmers who'll be minding the calves themselves.

I was using a dealer last year. Hed do a deal. Say he would collect them let's say Thursday evening. Now I'd have football and would leave the calves and cards out for him, no show, not answering the phone. Not just once this happened. A text to say hes not coming wouldn't kill him. Dont deal with him anymore

jaymla627

liosnagceann75 wrote: »

Are the fleckveih too hard on dairy cows?

Their a disaster in every way, had to cull 4 fleck cross heifers here stone mad in parlor, coupled with mastitis cases running at 40% in them compared with 5% in their Holstein counterparts, aren’t particularly hard calved but the calves are dopey and very hard trained to feeders....
Sold all my maiden x fleck heifers to a beef man on the back of how the 1st batch of them turned out

Mooooo

liosnagceann75 wrote: »

Are the fleckveih too hard on dairy cows?

Go over time so harder calving on cow's. The cow above that had a large aa calf is a first cross and I guess it was her genetics put the calf over time. Have 5 milking and there fine but have fr out performing them on solids and volume that won't end up so big at mature weights. Also none of their calves made much more than the fr calves as they were black and white anyway, one had a whitehead but was down as a frx on the card