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Calf price chitchat

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Have a few fr bulls , dont know what I'm going to do with them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    whelan2 wrote: »
    No haven't had a dealer here yet this year. A farmer bought these today, will take more next week.

    It's worth the money as the calves aren't subjected to the Mart with stress and possible illness and lost time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Have a few fr bulls , dont know what I'm going to do with them.

    Free to a good home :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Free to a good home :D

    Buy an angus get a friesian free :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,559 ✭✭✭visatorro


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Have a few fr bulls , dont know what I'm going to do with them.

    75 euro for eight week old fr bulls outta the yard for the boat. I Couldn't sell for a month. Wouldn't pay for the milk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭farisfat


    What age will they take calves in the factory.....it would make economic sense when they don't even cover the milk they drink.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    I got wrote off Monday, aa bulls 2 weeks old 160 down to 80, all heifers below 90 (I don't bring home) should I be keeping them longer or is it worth it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    kevthegaff wrote:
    I got wrote off Monday, aa bulls 2 weeks old 160 down to 80, all heifers below 90 (I don't bring home) should I be keeping them longer or is it worth it


    Sell them private next time so if someone gives you a bad price you don't have to sell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 highspeed


    Bought 12 4 to 6 week old AA heifers for €225 each
    14 HR for &170 each - mixture of male/female all 4 to 5 weeks
    All bought directly from yard

    Also rang a neighbour who had HR heifer calves for sale - asked if he was selling - he said he did not sell from the yard and only sold through the mart


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,766 ✭✭✭White Clover


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    Sell them private next time so if someone gives you a bad price you don't have to sell.

    Is it a bad price or the price of them? I know it's a lot less than lads are used to getting for them but the place is flooded with dairy cows who all have a calf. Anything that's plentiful will not command a high price, other examples are beef and milk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,559 ✭✭✭visatorro


    There seems to be a serious variation in calf prices. Tbh I'm just glad to be rid. I don't need the extra work. Talking to a fella that goes to the mart alot, he reckons good fr calves can be got for 50.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,586 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    All that is happening is a price correction. There are over 200K more calves than 3-5 years ago. Dairy farmers that had beef units cesased or reduced the size of these units so this means maybe 400K+ calves extra hitting the market. The price correction has not yet reached the farm yard sales but this will correct in time as well.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Brown Podzol


    Sold 16 fr bull calves, 3 to 4 weeks, in Fermoy yesterday. Average €145 before expenses. From €85 to €195.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    I have often seen calf prices to drop with bad weather and glut on market .When the weather clears calf prices could bounce up again with smaller numbers on the market but more realistic prices


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,586 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It all depend on which side of ring you are at as to a realistic price. At the moment from my view thwy are still a bit high

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    It all depend on which side of ring you are at as to a realistic price. At the moment from my view thwy are still a bit high

    What cost to get a decent friesian bull to a year old If he was bought for €100? You are usually fairly sharp on these matters!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭einn32


    Circa 2 week old AA heifers 160e and AA bulls 180e same age. Sold out of the yard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,586 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Cavanjack wrote: »
    What cost to get a decent friesian bull to a year old If he was bought for €100? You are usually fairly sharp on these matters!

    It would not matter if he was decent or not the cost is virtually the same.
    Milk Powder 40
    straw 20
    Vet 15
    Calf ration 40
    Ration For Summer/autumn 44
    Grass 36
    Winter Feeding120 days @ 75c/day 80
    Mortality 10
    Misc 20

    Say 300ish euro you might be able to squeeze the summer ration back a bit I have allowed 1kg/day from start of June to end of November. If you were doing calf to store selling in Autumn you would be reducing your average winter back 10-15 days. so another 1-2 euro there. I have allowed for mortality at 10 euro and vet (vet and medicine) at 15 and there may be 5-10 euro there or they may not be.

    However You would have a calves that went to grass as a yearling at 330-380kgs not the 250kg calves some lads sell. Yes you might have a runt that got badly sick and survived but you would have right good calves averageing above 350kgs IMO

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Cavanjack wrote: »
    What cost to get a decent friesian bull to a year old If he was bought for €100? You are usually fairly sharp on these matters!

    It would not matter if he was decent or not the cost is virtually the same.
    Milk Powder 40
    straw 20
    Vet 15
    Calf ration 40
    Ration For Summer/autumn 44
    Grass 36
    Winter Feeding120 days @ 75c/day 80
    Mortality 10
    Misc 20

    Say 300ish euro you might be able to squeeze the summer ration back a bit I have allowed 1kg/day from start of June to end of November. If you were doing calf to store selling in Autumn you would be reducing your average winter back 10-15 days. so another 1-2 euro there. I have allowed for mortality at 10 euro and vet (vet and medicine) at 15 and there may be 5-10 euro there or they may not be.

    However You would have a calves that went to grass as a yearling at 330-380kgs not the 250kg calves some lads sell. Yes you might have a runt that got badly sick and survived but you would have right good calves averageing above 350kgs IMO
    Great info as always, but what quantity are your figures based on, would it be much more for smaller quantities (5-10)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,586 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Great info as always, but what quantity are your figures based on, would it be much more for smaller quantities (5-10)

    TBH I have not done calves in years as it si not really an option with work. Having said that I was at a discussion group meeting a few weeks ago and calf rearing was discussed. My prices are from the general discussion and from when I did calves about 10 years ago. One lad claimed milk powder was 43 euro but another lad said you can get good quality powder for 38 euro. The lad that paid 43 for it later when askled what he paid for calf ration( he bought a pallet of it) said he had not asked the price just ordered it from the merchant.

    He obiviously was not pricing around. This is a big issue with some lads they just walk into the local co-op or merchant and pay up. They never price around. There are some criminal prices I have heard paid for stuff. Lad paid nearly 600 euro for 1.5 tons of urea last week end collected (400/ton) off the same places I bought it for 350ish/ton in mid Feb delivered as part of my total fertlizer purchase.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    highspeed wrote: »
    Bought 12 4 to 6 week old AA heifers for €225 each
    14 HR for &170 each - mixture of male/female all 4 to 5 weeks
    All bought directly from yard

    Also rang a neighbour who had HR heifer calves for sale - asked if he was selling - he said he did not sell from the yard and only sold through the mart
    Selling from yard is a bit of a pain in the ass.because we are so far south unless we have a bunch fellas wont travel and those that do most want them for nothing and only want to take the best.so f##k that ive a fella that takes to the mart from me and can sell them as i want to too,no paper or worrying about ckecks bouncing.i see prices qouted here for calves and they would be a lot less in west cork


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭yewtree


    K.G. wrote: »
    Selling from yard is a bit of a pain in the ass.because we are so far south unless we have a bunch fellas wont travel and those that do most want them for nothing and only want to take the best.so f##k that ive a fella that takes to the mart from me and can sell them as i want to too,no paper or worrying about ckecks bouncing.i see prices qouted here for calves and they would be a lot less in west cork

    I read this thread sometimes and think I am farming in a different country.
    Neighbour brought 3 week old fr bull calves to the mart last week, well done €70 average.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Sent a share of calves off to mart. A simental x included. Big calf but the the fecker will have to make 1500 euro to cover his costs as the mother is fecked


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    What bull is the Sim calf off?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    tanko wrote: »
    What bull is the Sim calf off?

    S3011. Technically a fleckvieh. Have 3 heifers and that bull and they all carried 1 week minimum. One of the heifers came backwards and I had to jack her, head was still in the cow when I got to the end of the jack. Long legs on the feckers but the bodies fill out to match. Last time using him anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Mooooo wrote: »
    tanko wrote: »
    What bull is the Sim calf off?

    S3011. Technically a fleckvieh. Have 3 heifers and that bull and they all carried 1 week minimum. One of the heifers came backwards and I had to jack her, head was still in the cow when I got to the end of the jack. Long legs on the feckers but the bodies fill out to match. Last time using him anyway

    Have a easy calving fleck bull here and delighted with him, have 25 calves from heifers and only jacked two, destroyed heifers the previous 2 years with "easy calving" Freisian bulls, its gas the genomic figures for the imported fleck where spot on re calving ease and the Irish ones were completely wrong


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,493 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Have a easy calving fleck bull here and delighted with him, have 25 calves from heifers and only jacked two, destroyed heifers the previous 2 years with "easy calving" Freisian bulls, its gas the genomic figures for the imported fleck where spot on re calving ease and the Irish ones were completely wrong

    You forgot the ebi is ****e bit there jay


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Have a easy calving fleck bull here and delighted with him, have 25 calves from heifers and only jacked two, destroyed heifers the previous 2 years with "easy calving" Freisian bulls, its gas the genomic figures for the imported fleck where spot on re calving ease and the Irish ones were completely wrong

    You forgot the ebi is ****e bit there jay

    Simple observation is all both fr bulls where less then 2% cd, jacked 17 out of 19 heifers with last years lad and was 14 out of 17 the year before, on cows it was nearly 50% that needed assistance, 65 kilo plus monsters of bull calves was a absolute nightmare....
    Lost 3 of last years first calvers down to it due to damage at calving along with a very poor conception rate to first serve on the remainder of heifers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Have a easy calving fleck bull here and delighted with him, have 25 calves from heifers and only jacked two, destroyed heifers the previous 2 years with "easy calving" Freisian bulls, its gas the genomic figures for the imported fleck where spot on re calving ease and the Irish ones were completely wrong

    Used a different one last year no problem bar the calves came black and white. Haved served all heifers here to genomic hol/ fr here with a number of years haven't jacked one. Jack has been only used on the fleckvieh this year, a dead fr last year and few Hereford in previous years. I find the short gestation of Irish bulls has them rel safe. Of course a few can go the other way but mammy has an influence too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Simple observation is all both fr bulls where less then 2% cd, jacked 17 out of 19 heifers with last years lad and was 14 out of 17 the year before, on cows it was nearly 50% that needed assistance, 65 kilo plus monsters of bull calves was a absolute nightmare....
    Lost 3 of last years first calvers down to it due to damage at calving along with a very poor conception rate to first serve on the remainder of heifers

    Did you use just one bull each year on the heifers? Better using a few to spread the risk


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Mooooo wrote: »
    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Simple observation is all both fr bulls where less then 2% cd, jacked 17 out of 19 heifers with last years lad and was 14 out of 17 the year before, on cows it was nearly 50% that needed assistance, 65 kilo plus monsters of bull calves was a absolute nightmare....
    Lost 3 of last years first calvers down to it due to damage at calving along with a very poor conception rate to first serve on the remainder of heifers

    Did you use just one bull each year on the heifers? Better using a few to spread the risk

    Clean-up stock bull,do one round of sexed ai on heifers and bull cleans up, usually get 55% holding to sexed so the rest are caught by the stock bull, zero-issues calving ai bulls


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Clean-up stock bull,do one round of sexed ai on heifers and bull cleans up, usually get 55% holding to sexed so the rest are caught by the stock bull, zero-issues calving ai bulls

    Ah fair enough, were they genomic tested or parent average? Calves landing from.cows from a homegrown stock bull I had last year and are bigger as well but longer dry period prob has an effect as well


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Pidae.m


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Simple observation is all both fr bulls where less then 2% cd, jacked 17 out of 19 heifers with last years lad and was 14 out of 17 the year before, on cows it was nearly 50% that needed assistance, 65 kilo plus monsters of bull calves was a absolute nightmare....
    Lost 3 of last years first calvers down to it due to damage at calving along with a very poor conception rate to first serve on the remainder of heifers

    Sounds awful wouldn't wish it on worst enemy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Pidae.m


    Poor calf trade today in bandon. Only things that held it own was the fr bull. He heifers the worst. Smashers but young sold for €60. Mainly 130 ish do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    My man didnt have his book to hand when I rang him but he thinks my 5 fr bulls made 100, 4 weeks old and the sim something over 200 same age. Bandon as well


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Pidae.m


    Mooooo wrote: »
    My man didnt have his book to hand when I rang him but he thinks my 5 fr bulls made 100, 4 weeks old and the sim something over 200 same age. Bandon as well

    One lad bought 5 beautiful her heifers for €50 at the end of the sale.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    50 for Hereford, never heard of them that low before


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Mooooo wrote: »
    50 for Hereford, never heard of them that low before

    I'll definitely be hanging onto rest of mine so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    Pidae.m wrote: »
    One lad bought 5 beautiful her heifers for €50 at the end of the sale.

    What were they making earlier in the sale?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Pidae.m


    tanko wrote: »
    What were they making earlier in the sale?

    130 was the go mainly. €200 for nearly reared ones but they were scarce.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,766 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Timmaay wrote: »
    I'll definitely be hanging onto rest of mine so.

    I'll give you 150 for them in September!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,046 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    A bit of good news.

    Sold 4 fr bull calves today.
    They made 160, 145, 142, 140.
    Happy with that. It's just a pity I had to wait till the end of the season to get the good prices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    A bit of good news.

    Sold 4 fr bull calves today.
    They made 160, 145, 142, 140.
    Happy with that. It's just a pity I had to wait till the end of the season to get the good prices.
    What age?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,046 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    whelan2 wrote: »
    What age?

    4 and 5 weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,459 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    A bit of good news.

    Sold 4 fr bull calves today.
    They made 160, 145, 142, 140.
    Happy with that. It's just a pity I had to wait till the end of the season to get the good prices.
    Good prices, what age were they?
    I was in a mart today - first time in about 7 years and only because I was delivering 4 bullocks for a neighbour cause his tractor had a puncture. I stood into the calf ring for a look and FR and better quality FRx bull calves were selling from €60 to €110 under 42do. All the FR/FRx calves sold but most of the AAx, HEx, LMx calves that I saw didn't sell. In fairness I thought the quality of the AAx calves was generally poor. They weren't the type outta Jersey cross cows but they were small/short.
    Edit to say - I reckon the weather is affecting calf prices except for shipping calves.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    tanko wrote: »
    Pidae.m wrote: »
    One lad bought 5 beautiful her heifers for €50 at the end of the sale.

    What were they making earlier in the sale?
    Sold hd heifers for 85 last monday and got 101 two weeks ago. I know mainly heifers calves but they were nt too bad either.according to my agent the whole thing is f##ked up as the exporters got blocked up with weather and the boys outside not able to take them,irish lads slow to buy with the weather and now the quality of calves has deterioted due to too many calves being held on dairy farms and weather events.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Pidae.m


    Only found out this week the reason so many calves make €101 is to charge the higher rate of commission....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    What price are angus calves now?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Pidae.m


    whelan2 wrote: »
    What price are angus calves now?

    Bonkers! The chap that made 40 last week made 100 this week.
    Saw 2 nice square bulls 4 weeks 300
    Run of the mill 3/4 week old heifers 130/140


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,559 ✭✭✭visatorro


    whelan2 wrote: »
    What price are angus calves now?

    Was offered 130 in yard for month old heifers but he couldn't take them for a month!
    Another fella I deal with took five aa heifers and five fr bulls for 100/hd. A couple of them were ropey enough calves. Was happy to let them off.


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