Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

splinter65

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Remember When Larry Goodmans brother in law punched Desmond O Malley on a plane in Holland? His son had his father checked into a mental health facility to prevent Dessy taking him to court?

But did they check him into CMH or just an expensive private clinic where you can get in if you can pay?

splinter65

Rory28 wrote: »

What about if they couldnt make a diagnoses either way? Would they commit him as a precaution?

There doesn’t have to be a “diagnoses” to recommend that someone is not fit to present themselves to a court.
It may be months or years before there is a diagnoses.
They don’t stamp “insane” on your forehead and walk away.

jmayo

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Man you have a lot to learn... I'd start with perhaps talking to some Irish protestants the majority of which didn't lord over anyone.... In fact we thought you a lot

Obviously not spelling

I still stand by my point.
Protestants in the 19th century had a lot more advantages going for them in comparison to Catholics.
One big one was not being turfed out on the road to starve.
Also wasn't it nice of some protestants to offer food, granted one had to convert to get it.

And that is not even going back to the Penal laws which were only really overturned in 1829.
The Act of union was meant to grant Catholic emancipation as power was removed from the Irish protestants ascendancy and transferred to London.
The British government had agreed to it, but the king disagreed and it didn't happen.

Perhaps you can remind us all how non church of Ireland folk had to subsidise that church through tithes ?

Now it does have to be said that not all protestants were ar**holes and some genuinely tried to help the native Catholics, but they still enjoyed huge advantages over those same catholics just because they were protestant.

Presbyterians were seen as just a few steps above the old catholics and makes one wonder how they became so vehemently anti separationist.
Was it fact they became wealthy and less radical or was it because the Irish freedom movement became so dominated by catholics as the 19th century proceeded ?

But isn't it enlightening how some protestants today still view the catholics of yesteryear as "scum and criminals" to quote yourself. :rolleyes:

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I work in science and I have never encountered anyone with the blinkered up the r hate the Brits attitude you have. In fact I mean no insult here but people with your views are usually bottom feeders. So well done in getting three degrees and not learning anything.

The thing is a lot of very educated people can be actual idiots when it comes to common sense, total knobends and often very dangerous people.
Some very well educated people were leading Nazis.
Hell the Einsatzgruppen were nearly all led by guys with doctorates of one form or another.
Look through the list of Wannsee Conference attendees and see how many had doctorates and university education.

Nowadays the highly educated appear to be drawn to the polar opposite political opinion, which is leading us merrily down the road to societal destruction.

Grayson wrote: »

Especially not being able to critically assess a subject and blindly accepting any auld right wing drivel.

What about blindly accepting any auld left wing drivel ?

recedite

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I work in science and I have never encountered anyone with the blinkered up the r hate the Brits attitude you have. In fact I mean no insult here but people with your views are usually bottom feeders. So well done in getting three degrees and not learning anything.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

WOOOOOOWWWWW!!!!! Where did you get that up the RA vibe from? Or that Brit hating? You certainly read that completely wrong ...... polar opposite in fact. I love British culture, many of my friends are British, plus as for the "up the RA", I am ex FCA (years not there for the boots) and I wouldnt be caught dead with them who are pro-immigration.

I don't work in science, so obviously I'm not half as intelligent as Ash.
Even so, I would never lead up to a calculated insult with "In fact I mean no insult here".
"In fact" that is just lying.

Nor would I regard it as very "scientific" to make up random conclusions about somebody, without having any evidence to support them whatsoever.

wakka12

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Small amount? We have taken in 70k muslims. What country has taken in muslims and integrated them correctly. When you integrate, you enter you take on the same religion, customs and traditions. This has not worked out well in Lebanon, Syria, France, Germany Britian, Sweden, etc etc and now Ireland.

Do not confuse the two different administrations in America. The previous one started these conflicts. Very easily Russia could sort this conflict out, but the result would be very bloody and the infrastructure would be beyond the stone age when Vladimir would be finished.

Take on same religion? Is everyone in ireland catholic? or can they pick and choose between atheist protestant or catholic because those 3 are okay? Just be anything but muslim

Ash.J.Williams

recedite wrote: »

I don't work in science, so obviously I'm not half as intelligent as Ash.
Even so, I would never lead up to a calculated insult with "In fact I mean no insult here".
"In fact" that is just lying.

Nor would I regard it as very "scientific" to make up random conclusions about somebody, without having any evidence to support them whatsoever.

that's great.

Rory28

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

that's great.

To be fair you stepped around a direct insult. You shouldn't call people bottom feeders. It's bold.

Grayson

jmayo wrote: »

What about blindly accepting any auld left wing drivel ?

I'm sure there are plenty of people who do that. I don't. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone as evidence driven as me.
hell, the only reason I went back to university was to study philosophy and maths so that I'd be better at critical thinking.

It's the reason why i keep getting annoyed at people misusing inductive reasoning.

The_Kew_Tour

splinter65 wrote: »

You agree that it’s just a question of the accused asking to be brought to CMH by AGS and the CMH admitting him.
No questions asked.
That’s amazing.
It’s a wonder all accused don’t demand that.

Not really

many do

Odhinn

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Not really

many do

You just can't stand the fact hes probably mad, can you?

The_Kew_Tour

Odhinn wrote: »

You just can't stand the fact hes probably mad, can you?

You're right

No I don't like the fact that he got mad and killed a young man.

was I meant be delighted?

Annasopra

skooterblue2 wrote: »

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-and-its-muslim-population-in-a-post-charlie-hebdo-attack-world

49.5k...... that was a few years ago. Then you have to take into account the numbers who have "dissappeared" like in Germany and cannot be accounted for

Any tin foil hats for sale?

Odhinn

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Any tin foil hats for sale?

You realise that an invisible muslim jihadi could be right behind you at this exact moment in time?

Annasopra

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

lol

not first time you taken post totally out of context.

next time you reply to a post of mine fast, read it first

What does your post mean then?

Annasopra

Odhinn wrote: »

You realise that an invisible muslim jihadi could be right behind you at this exact moment in time?

He's behind me? What is this a panto?

Odhinn

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

He's behind me? What is this a panto?

More of a jihanto.

Annasopra

Odhinn wrote: »

More of a jihanto.

Modern day Reds under the bed?

Odhinn

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Modern day Reds under the bed?

Yep - Scimitars under the setee.

Rory28

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Modern day Reds under the bed?

They dont need to be under your bed anymore. They are in your webcam :eek:

Odhinn

Rory28 wrote: »

They dont need to be under your bed anymore. They are in your webcam :eek:

God love them if they're in mine....

Will I Am Not

There was a post earlier in the thread about people not caring what happened in this incident and they were just here to further their right wing agenda.

In the interest of fairness can I just point out that the exact same thing is happening now from the other side. Sh*t posting, making jokes and getting little digs in.
Pathetic stuff.

Rory28

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

There was a post earlier in the thread about people not caring what happened in this incident and they were just here to further their right wing agenda.

In the interest of fairness can I just point out that the exact same thing is happening now from the other side. Sh*t posting, making jokes and getting little digs in.
Pathetic stuff.

That happens in every thread. Sides are made and we go from there. I dont like all this right and left speak tho. Isn't the majority of Ireland more down the middle?

Will I Am Not

Rory28 wrote: »

That happens in every thread. Sides are made and we go from there. I dont like all this right and left speak tho. Isn't the majority of Ireland more down the middle?

Sure does but hypocrisy always needs to be pointed out because it quite often is borne from a total lack of self awareness.

People can make jokes and slag each other off if they want but let’s not pretend one side can take the moral high ground in this sh*t flinging contest.

jackofalltrades

Grayson wrote: »

I'm sure there are plenty of people who do that. I don't. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone as evidence driven as me.
hell, the only reason I went back to university was to study philosophy and maths so that I'd be better at critical thinking.

It's the reason why i keep getting annoyed at people misusing inductive reasoning.

Sure, your Catholics with ash on their forehead argument in this post really screams out evidence based reasoning.

jmayo

Grayson wrote: »

I'm sure there are plenty of people who do that. I don't. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone as evidence driven as me.
hell, the only reason I went back to university was to study philosophy and maths so that I'd be better at critical thinking.

It's the reason why i keep getting annoyed at people misusing inductive reasoning.

Maybe it's my engineering background or just my mindset in how I look at something and analyse what are the associated advantages and problems, or as they say in software land what are the issues.

And then to paraphrase that great mind, Albert Einstein, come up with a solution which does not involve following the same course of action which has already resulted in the same failures multiple times.

Thus when I view the recent mass migration of people predominantly from the muslim world, and yes a lot of the ones crossing the med are economic migrants as opposed to Syrian refugees, I look at what have been the effects of previously muslim world immigration to Europe.

And we can see an unharmonious relationship between immigrants, more worryingly between the offspring of immigrants, and the indigenous population.

When one analyses what have been the outcomes of mass muslim immigration of non highly educated people to Britain, France, Belgium, Netherlands there is a bleak picture of ghettoes, insularism, discrimination against women and LGBT, demands for sharia law, support for fundamentalists and fundamentalist teachings and ultimately terrorism.

Then I look at what the recent wave of migrants have brought to their new countries and it is even more shocking what with the sporadic unprovoked attacks, murders, sexual assaults, particularly on minors.

You can call me a cynic but I don't see many positives that outway the negatives.

All people of my mindset hear is "not all muslims are terrorists, not all muslims are fundamentalists"
Well we know that, but even if it is only a very small minority, I still don't want to introduce would be terrorists and fundamentalists into my society.

Even if only 1 of every 1000 muslims that enter is an ISIS wantabee bent on wholesale slaughter that is 1 too many.
Even if only 1 out of every 50 is a proponent of sharia law, discrimination against women and LGBT then that is 1 too many.

And it doesn't matter a shyte that some Irish have been terrorists, criminals, misogynists and religious conservatives.

We have only recently sidelined our terrorists and our catholic church religious domination so why are some of us in a mad rush to introduce even more extremist examples of both into our society.

Professor Moriarty

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

There was a post earlier in the thread about people not caring what happened in this incident and they were just here to further their right wing agenda.

In the interest of fairness can I just point out that the exact same thing is happening now from the other side. Sh*t posting, making jokes and getting little digs in.
Pathetic stuff.

It's when people start talking about the "other side" that I begin to have less interest in what they have to say.

splinter65

Odhinn wrote: »

You just can't stand the fact hes probably mad, can you?

The Kew Tour sneers at the idea of mental illness.
No such thing you know.
All a load of made up nonsense.

Will I Am Not

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's when people start talking about the "other side" that I begin to have less interest in what they have to say.

I’m not speaking from either side. There are 2 very vocal sides to this in case you haven’t noticed.

baylah17

Rory28 wrote: »

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So a solicitor approaches two psychiatrists and asks them to falsify their psychiatric reports on his client. Or a young man with no education in mental health manages to deceive two psychiatrists during two seperate forensic assessments. Yeah, no.

What about if they couldnt make a diagnoses either way? Would they commit him as a precaution?

No
He would have to diagnosed with some form of mental health issue to be admitted

baylah17

Rory28 wrote: »

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So a solicitor approaches two psychiatrists and asks them to falsify their psychiatric reports on his client. Or a young man with no education in mental health manages to deceive two psychiatrists during two seperate forensic assessments. Yeah, no.

What about if they couldnt make a diagnoses either way? Would they commit him as a precaution?

No
He would have to diagnosed with some form of mental health issue to be admitted

Dumbest and most bigoted and historically on correct post I have ever read.
I suggest the poster go back to school and study history sociology and politics because based on that post they currently have no knowledge of any of those subjects

oceanman

jmayo wrote: »

Maybe it's my engineering background or just my mindset in how I look at something and analyse what are the associated advantages and problems, or as they say in software land what are the issues.

And then to paraphrase that great mind, Albert Einstein, come up with a solution which does not involve following the same course of action which has already resulted in the same failures multiple times.

Thus when I view the recent mass migration of people predominantly from the muslim world, and yes a lot of the ones crossing the med are economic migrants as opposed to Syrian refugees, I look at what have been the effects of previously muslim world immigration to Europe.

And we can see an unharmonious relationship between immigrants, more worryingly between the offspring of immigrants, and the indigenous population.

When one analyses what have been the outcomes of mass muslim immigration of non highly educated people to Britain, France, Belgium, Netherlands there is a bleak picture of ghettoes, insularism, discrimination against women and LGBT, demands for sharia law, support for fundamentalists and fundamentalist teachings and ultimately terrorism.

Then I look at what the recent wave of migrants have brought to their new countries and it is even more shocking what with the sporadic unprovoked attacks, murders, sexual assaults, particularly on minors.

You can call me a cynic but I don't see many positives that outway the negatives.

All people of my mindset hear is "not all muslims are terrorists, not all muslims are fundamentalists"
Well we know that, but even if it is only a very small minority, I still don't want to introduce would be terrorists and fundamentalists into my society.

Even if only 1 of every 1000 muslims that enter is an ISIS wantabee bent on wholesale slaughter that is 1 too many.
Even if only 1 out of every 50 is a proponent of sharia law, discrimination against women and LGBT then that is 1 too many.

And it doesn't matter a shyte that some Irish have been terrorists, criminals, misogynists and religious conservatives.

We have only recently sidelined our terrorists and our catholic church religious domination so why are some of us in a mad rush to introduce even more extremist examples of both into our society.

The problem is we are sadly part of the EU so we don't have any real say in who we let in, or how many. that's why Brittan opted out

Will I Am Not

baylah17 wrote: »

No
He would have to diagnosed with some form of mental health issue to be admitted

Dumbest and most bigoted and historically on correct post I have ever read.
I suggest the poster go back to school and study history sociology and politics because based on that post they currently have no knowledge of any of those subjects

They asked a question, get over it.

Will I Am Not

splinter65 wrote: »

The Kew Tour sneers at the idea of mental illness.
No such thing you know.
All a load of made up nonsense.

Is this just more of this “I know how you think” bollox or did he actually say that?

recedite

oceanman wrote: »

The problem is we are sadly part of the EU so we don't have any real say in who we let in, or how many. that's why Brittan opted out

Those who admit defeat deserve what they get.
We still have some control over first generation migrants actually, because Britain negotiated an opt-out from the mandatory relocation scheme, and we hopped onto the back of their opt-out (based on our Common Travel Area).
Hence the logjam of migrants stuck at Calais.

Th eastern countries were too late to the table to avail of the opt-out, so they just refused to comply afterwards.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/06/eu-court-rejects-refugee-quota-challenge-hungary-slovakia/
But in a few years time when all these migrants have been knocking around France, Italy and Germany long enough to claim citizenship, then they will be able to go where they like within the EU.

Ash.J.Williams

You'd swear we had a problem in Ireland with immigration

recedite

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

You'd swear we had a problem in Ireland with immigration

Well it all depends how you look at it.
I had no problem Yosuke Sasaki, but he had a fatal problem with the other guy (whatever his real name turns out to be).

Annasopra

recedite wrote: »

:pac:
Well it all depends how you look at it. I had no problem Yosuke Sasaki, but he had a fatal problem with the other guy (whatever his real name turns out to be).

You'd swear all immigrants were murderers

weldoninhio

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

You'd swear all immigrants were murderers

You’d swear we have any idea of how many immigrants are actually here.

recedite

One was a law abiding and well mannered legal immigrant from a civilised country.

The other is a criminal, a hater, and an illegal immigrant from what D. Trump would candidly call "a $hithole country".

Can you not see any difference there?

Annasopra

weldoninhio wrote: »

You’d swear we have any idea of how many immigrants are actually here.

Is that supposed to bother me? I couldnt care less.

Captain Obvious

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Is that supposed to bother me? I couldnt care less.

but what if you catch diversity off one of them? He may even look white and you'll never know he was an immigrant. Then one day you'll wake up with a bit of diversity and never know where you got it from.

Del.Monte

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

You'd swear all immigrants were murderers

No, but there are a fair number of scumbags amongst them and it's not as if we don't already have enough of our own.

Odhinn

recedite wrote: »

One was a law abiding and well mannered legal immigrant from a civilised country.

The other is a criminal, a hater, and an illegal immigrant from what D. Trump would candidly call "a $hithole country".

Can you not see any difference there?

In terms of people from what you call "shithole countries" trying to make a life for themselves over here while facing that kind of atttitude, yes, I can.

Annasopra

****hole countries?

Sure Ireland used to be one of them

Sand

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Is that supposed to bother me? I couldnt care less.

You care enough to post, so objectively you could care less.

The_Kew_Tour

I have no problem with people coming here for better life, many are here and making this country great, but who wants the guy from London Bridge incident or Waterford Chap in court today or the gentleman from this same thread.

People are worried about the wrong things. Sadly it's people like poor Mr Sasaki last week who sufffers.

Sand

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I have no problem with people coming here for better life, many are here and making this country great, but who wants the guy from London Bridge incident or Waterford Chap in court today or the gentleman from this same thread.

People are worried about the wrong things. Sadly it's people like poor Mr Sasaki last week who sufffers.

More to the point, who wants the guys who don't necessarily engage in direct violence themselves, but who look the other way? Or who have a third world attitude to social freedoms?

The 'direct action' types may be relatively rare, but they're standing on the shoulders of many more who endorse and accept their rationale for direct action.

The absolute best case scenario for multiculturalism is a situation like 1980s Yugoslavia. Huge ethnic and cultural tensions held down by nominally progressive repression and force. And even that failed ultimately.

mcfitness20

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I have no problem with people coming here for better life, many are here and making this country great, but who wants the guy from London Bridge incident or Waterford Chap in court today or the gentleman from this same thread.

People are worried about the wrong things. Sadly it's people like poor Mr Sasaki last week who sufffers.

the gentleman in Waterford court today for co-ordinating terror in europe is Irish
shaoron ni bheoilain said so, emphatically, on the news

DanMurphy

mcfitness20 wrote: »

the gentleman in Waterford court today for co-ordinating terror in europe is Irish
shaoron ni bheoilain said so, emphatically, on the news

But, but, there's an International expert coming to Court next week to state that the 'Irish' ISIS chap is now okay, and has been de-classified...de-comissioned...de-radicalized, or something.
He's now harmless and has joined a local GAA club, where he shows a great talent for the auld hurling.
Suspended sentence I bet.

mcfitness20

DanMurphy wrote: »

But, but, there's an International expert coming to Court next week to state that the 'Irish' ISIS chap is now okay, and has been de-classified...de-comissioned...de-radicalized, or something.
He's now harmless and has joined a local GAA club, where he shows a great talent for the auld hurling.
Suspended sentence I bet.

it does not matter what he did,
the main focus on rte and newstalk was that he is an irshman
just your average paddy trying to blow up train stations and schools in germany etc
sharon ni bheoilin should get a journalism award this year