why dont they move 'homeless' families out of Dublin to rural parts of Ireland?

1eg0a3xv7b82of

The key thing is to keep them in Dublin, try and stop the spread any further.

Dravokivich

topper75 wrote: »

You are forgetting that we have a min wage in this country by law. There is no job in Ireland that would see them unable to pay for the commute from affordable villages. Things would get tighter and luxuries would be foregone, but that is what economics is all about - prioritizing expenditure when resources are limited. Alternatively there would have to be a short period of transitional employment and they get work elsewhere.

It is just another excuse and the 'entitlement' culture has to end. If the state is paying the roof over your head then the state can put you wherever they might choose. If you insist on Dublin - fine - but YOU pay for Dublin.

Reasons are excuses. Good work there. No, people's circumstances don't get worse... It's definitely got to be something about them ill thoughtfully having kids.

Damn them all.

irishproduce

Delighted Conor Skehan retained his position today. I was worried he'd be subject to the George Hook treatment and get the bullet for saying things a lot of us are thinking.

Andy From Sligo

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

You can excuse one accident, maybe even 2, but people with 3 or 4 kids who can't afford them must be braindead, or trying to work the system. It's not the 1950s, contraception is available.

blame the irish catholic church for that as well their ethos used to be "go forth and multiply" and are against contraception - maybe they would like to contribute to the homeless situation .. come to think of it why dont they if they dont already - why does it fall back to the government/tax payers to sort out homeless people .... surely the churches in ireland can buy up some properties across ireland and house people if they dont already .. the churches in Ireland seem to have a lot of money ... especially the catholic ones

Andy From Sligo

Dakota Dan wrote: »

They are made when female goats are mounted by male goats when the female goat is in heat.

your kidding me

Andy From Sligo

pgj2015 wrote: »

And raise crime rates, lets be honest, any dubs iv seen moved to the countryside have cause nothing but trouble.

yeah but more population and more crime will equal all those closed Garda stations in rural Ireland being opened up again

Andy From Sligo

pgj2015 wrote: »

Any dubs who have been moved down the country to free houses have always caused trouble, they come down with that im from dublin so im hard and somehow special attitude, the ridiculous walk and attitude problem, become know to the guards very soon.

if the local Rural Garda station has not closed ....

Joeseph Balls

Imagine the homeless moving down with us mucksavages, muckarses, etc, the shame.

Andy From Sligo

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

I live in a rural area. My children get the bus to school. For 1 child the school bus cost, for the year (9-10 months/roughly 36 weeks) is €110. That works out at about €3 a week for my child to get to and from school. I actually have 3 children using the bus, and the total cost of the bus for the year is capped at €220. That works out at about €6 per week for the 3 of them (€2 each per week).

I don't think that's "a good bit of money". Then again, I'm used to having to pay for things that I need to use.

.. or of course you could save 6euro a week by not sending your children to school - then you could put the 6euro a week to getting shopping delivered / extra food / treats ...

Gatling

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

.. or of course you could save 6euro a week by not sending your children to school - then you could put the 6euro a week to getting shopping delivered / extra food / treats ...

I live in Dublin and bus fare for my 2 kids for 36 weeks comes around €720 for the year ,
And people think school bus fares outside Dublin is a deal breaker .
Jeez

end of the road

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

I'd love to see some stats on how many of the people in emergency accommodation / on the housing lists are actually people that are / were down on their luck, How many people that had jobs even at say average salaries of 30k ish a piece and lost them, people that had a house and lost it etc...

I reckon it's fcuk all.

you'd reccan wrong. because funnily enough, nothing is black and white in this world.

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Those people moved home, went back to college or started some sort of adult education, upskilled or got a better job and got back into the market or into private rented accommodation.

yes, some of them did. a large number of them weren't so fortunate.

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

It never seems to be John or Jane single person in these situations It's John & Jane 50 kids.

yes, the media will always cover the most extreme cases because it's what sells and are what get people talking.

Andy From Sligo

some unemployed people might move out of Dublin and down into the countryside (and I mean countryside, 1 bus a week, 56k Dial up non existent broadband, no garda station for 50 miles etc..) and be near fields and decide they like farming and become a farmer and cannot understand why they didnt move sooner!

Andy From Sligo

I am gonna make a brash comment here - people who work in Dublin should be able to live in Dublin (same for other big cities) because what would be keeping long term SW recipients in a city if they are never gonna work in the city?

and if you are talking about then Ireland will become a 2 tier system it already is - everything revolves around big cities and they get their transport, modern facilities, better road infrastructure, most money allocated and as per normal the rest of Ireland (small towns and villages) loose out! and have to make do with services that wouldnt be out of place in a third world country.

Now, when I ask about transport, or broadband, or other useful services or why rural Ireland is still 5 years behind other cities in Ireland a lot of the time I am told that its because we havent got the population that the big cities have (regardless of whether the people in the cities have jobs or not) so if these people up in Dublin are on the Homeless register if dublin or other cities authourities farmed these people out to rural areas of Ireland then the population in rural Ireland will increase and then hopefully with the increased population by rights we will get our better public transport services, better broadband, better health services, Garda stations opened back up, better roads and infrastructure, brought up to the 21st century, modernised and all that because the population will be there yes?

- is my logic right?

end of the road

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

It just annoys me that people give you stick for even the mention of the scroungers which I would believe most these people are.

no, nobody gives you stick for mentioning the few scroungers. you might get stick if you make up things such as "most of the people on the housing list are wasters/scroungers" which the evidence disproves. don't make up things, you won't get stick.

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

What parent lets thier child and grandchildren sleep in hostels. None that's who. Even if you only had a couch to give you would.

nope, some would have no other option but to have their children and grand children sleep in hostels, due to not being in a position to help. again, we come back to the reality that the world isn't black and white.

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Take away the options, You take whats offered, You get no choice and that's that. You'd soon see the list getting shorter

no you wouldn't. taking away the choice only suits those who just want to have a hard done by rant. the reality is the system self-regulates, where someone doesn't want a house, someone else will take the house.

pilly

topper75 wrote:

You are forgetting that we have a min wage in this country by law. There is no job in Ireland that would see them unable to pay for the commute from affordable villages. Things would get tighter and luxuries would be foregone, but that is what economics is all about - prioritizing expenditure when resources are limited. Alternatively there would have to be a short period of transitional employment and they get work elsewhere.

You genuinely think someone on minimum wage could afford to live in let's say Athlone for example and commute to Dublin?

You're not living in the real world.

Minimum wage is 350 a week. A commute like that would cost at least 100 a week.

pilly

Gatling wrote:

They do it in London quite well ,you live in emergency accommodation or are homeless the council find you a property in a cheaper area ,you get keys and or a train,bus tickets likely In another county and you either accept there and then or they discharge you from their duty care and your off the housing list ,

You're using London as an example after 70 people burnt to death in one of their ghettos last year. Really?

end of the road

yosser hughes wrote: »

No, you couldn't. The vast majority of 'homeless' are there by choice or have never tried in life.
They're not 'down on their luck' Luck had nothing to do with it.
Having kids when you have never had a job and no intention of ever getting one and rely on other workers to support you; is an absolute disgrace.
Apologists and bleeding heart merchants if anything, exacerbate the problem and actually condemn people to a life on welfare. It's infnatilsation and it's not what the original welfare state envisioned. It should never have become a way of life, but it has and this has been propagated by the left who feel a life of welfare is all people want and deserve.

no, the vast majority of those in temporary accommodation aren't there by choice and most of them tried hard in life. they are down on their luck as their circumstances changed hugely. there are no Apologists and bleeding heart merchants, and no amount of ranting about the jobless having children will change the fact that they do and will continue to do so, and those children need support regardless of our opinion of their parents. the amount of people who wellfare has become a way of life for, is very very small, and is blown out of proportion. of course it would be better if those people didn't choose that path, but realistically as they are unreliable and no employer would go near them, they are best left. the "left" haven't been in government in this country for a few years now and still the "wellfare state" continues.

Andy From Sligo

pilly wrote: »

You're using London as an example after 70 people burnt to death in one of their ghettos last year. Really?

im pretty sure the people who lived there , before what happened there were quite happy there - ghetto dont come into it. in reality i think someone/something started the fire there , wrong building materials were used - that tragedy had nothing to do with a ghetto or anything along them lines i dont think ... in fact i never ever heard anything about those flats being a part of a ghetto ...

that was a very good idea what the council done moving them people into the flats a lot of them were not from British decent and from what I here there was quite a good sign of community in them flats before the fire as well as after the fire .

yosser hughes

end of the road wrote: »

no, the vast majority of those in temporary accommodation aren't there by choice and most of them tried hard in life. they are down on their luck as their circumstances changed hugely. there are no Apologists and bleeding heart merchants, and no amount of ranting about the jobless having children will change the fact that they do and will continue to do so, and those children need support regardless of our opinion of their parents. the amount of people who wellfare has become a way of life for, is very very small, and is blown out of proportion. of course it would be better if those people didn't choose that path, but realistically as they are unreliable and no employer would go near them, they are best left. the "left" haven't been in government in this country for a few years now and still the "wellfare state" continues.

You are part of the prob;em. Your attitude is that people are to be pitied rather than encouraged. Your solution is more welfare with no hard questions rather than actual incentives to work and pay your own way.
Well meaning but dim individuals have led us down the welfare rabbit hole and created a class of people infantilised by the state. Who feel the state should provide them with everything.Personal responsibility is an alien concept.
The 'left' are pervasive right throughout our society.The left wing mindset is hugely influential in our media and legal circles. We have never had a right wing government and don't have one now either.

pjohnson

pilly wrote: »

You're using London as an example after 70 people burnt to death in one of their ghettos last year. Really?

They would be overjoyed if this happened here. Wouldn't have to send them to "rural" Ireland then!

Big Bag of Chips

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

blame the irish catholic church for that as well their ethos used to be "go forth and multiply" and are against contraception -

Really??

How many of these families with 3+ children go to mass every week? Or are afraid to use contraception because of the church?

I'd guess little to none.

pilly

Andy From Sligo wrote:

that was a very good idea what the council done moving them people into the flats a lot of them were not from British decent and from what I here there was quite a good sign of community in them flats before the fire as well as after the fire .

It was a good idea moving them into flats that were built with sub standard material because it was cheaper?

Now I know you're on a wind up or incredibly stupid.

cursai

yosser hughes wrote: »

You are part of the prob;em. Your attitude is that people are to be pitied rather than encouraged. Your solution is more welfare with no hard questions rather than actual incentives to work and pay your own way.
Well meaning but dim individuals have led us down the welfare rabbit hole and created a class of people infantilised by the state. Who feel the state should provide them with everything.Personal responsibility is an alien concept.
The 'left' are pervasive right throughout our society.The left wing mindset is hugely influential in our media and legal circles. We have never had a right wing government and don't have one now either.

You're right but it's unpalatable and not warm and cosy enough.
Giz a job. Go on.

Gatling

pilly wrote: »

You're using London as an example after 70 people burnt to death in one of their ghettos last year. Really?

Yes I am ,

And it works

Gatling

end of the road wrote: »

no, the vast majority of those in temporary accommodation aren't there by choice and most of them tried hard in life.

This is only your assumption though

_Brian

marklazarcovic wrote: »

There are thousands of these people, jobless, homeless.

Why not,ya know,train these people to like,build stuff.

Like houses.

Jobs providing houses made by the formerly jobless homeless.

Bit the problem is they don’t want to be trained, they’re already getting everything for free so why work for the same things.

Daisy78

Riskymove wrote: »

Dravokivich wrote: »

You can't just build up and expect that to solve the issue. Apartments have regularly been over priced, under sized and terribly built in this country.

and Ballymun Towers really worked out well didn't it

They have high rise developments in other European cities which function perfectly well. We need to get over our hangups about high rise buildings in this country.

RobbingBandit

To hell or to Connaught eh OP

Daisy78

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I am gonna make a brash comment here - people who work in Dublin should be able to live in Dublin (same for other big cities) because what would be keeping long term SW recipients in a city if they are never gonna work in the city?

and if you are talking about then Ireland will become a 2 tier system it already is - everything revolves around big cities and they get their transport, modern facilities, better road infrastructure, most money allocated and as per normal the rest of Ireland (small towns and villages) loose out! and have to make do with services that wouldnt be out of place in a third world country.

Now, when I ask about transport, or broadband, or other useful services or why rural Ireland is still 5 years behind other cities in Ireland a lot of the time I am told that its because we havent got the population that the big cities have (regardless of whether the people in the cities have jobs or not) so if these people up in Dublin are on the Homeless register if dublin or other cities authourities farmed these people out to rural areas of Ireland then the population in rural Ireland will increase and then hopefully with the increased population by rights we will get our better public transport services, better broadband, better health services, Garda stations opened back up, better roads and infrastructure, brought up to the 21st century, modernised and all that because the population will be there yes?

- is my logic right?

From a budget and planning perspective it makes far more sense to invest in higher density conglommerations than rural areas when it comes to infrastructure, jobs,etc. Our flawed planning system has allowed dispersed development right across the country with a proliferation of one off houses in rural areas. And every one of these households expects to be first in line when it comes to investment in infrastructure, they want their cheap house but they also want their broadband, water, good roads and access to well paying jobs,etc. There needs to be some expectation management and realism here, there is only so much money in the pot and it has to be spent in areas where the benefits are maximised in terms of the population served.

Dr Crayfish

The Grenfell tower may have been of a poor standard but it was by no means a ghetto, its pretty much next to Notting Hill, lovely area of affluent people and social housing, they seem to do it well in London. I would gladly have lived there when I was in London but it was out of my pay range!
The likes of the nearby Trellick tower started off as social housing and now the flats sell privately for a fortune. So high rise buildings can work.
Anyway we can’t keep comparing any high rise schemes to Ballymun, sooner or later we’ll have to build up.

Daisy78

Daisy78 wrote: »

From a budget and planning perspective it makes far more sense to invest in higher density conglommerations than rural areas when it comes to infrastructure, jobs,etc. Our flawed planning system has allowed dispersed development right across the country with a proliferation of one off houses in rural areas. And every one of these households expects to be first in line when it comes to investment in infrastructure, they want their cheap house but they also want their broadband, water, good roads and access to well paying jobs,etc. There needs to be some expectation management and realism here, there is only so much money in the pot and it has to be spent in areas where the benefits are maximised in terms of the population served.

When I lived in Xi'an, I lived in a 26 floor apartment tower. There were four towers in the complex. Private security at the gates. Inside the complex, there was a supermarket, dry-cleaners, and a management office. Small park area with outdoor public toilets. Secure underground parking. Outside the complex itself, to service the other 6 similar complexes nearby, there was a small cinema, access to the metro/subway (5 mins walk), a few other supermarkets, a larger department store nearby, police station, etc.

Now... I'm wondering why China can build these apartment towers quickly, with substandard materials in many cases, but Ireland (as a 1st world nation), cannot, and can't seem to conceive of doing it better.

Ahh, because it was done badly in the past, and therefore we cannot ever improve on the past... :rolleyes:

nice_guy80

Deleted User wrote: »

Lets take Athlone instead.
houses available? check. Yup. and plenty of land nearby for more.
school needs more pupils? Need, no. Space for more, yes. Could easily reopen another two schools to compensate if needed.
small village shop? check. Plenty.
village pub? check. Plenty.
sports facilities - check. Plenty.
school bus scheme? Yup. Available. Needed? Only if you decide to live in the countryside.

It's funny the way many posters here talk about moving them to the countryside and then picks a tiny village or a town that's completely rundown as an example.

Yes! Lets pick Longford, because it's a hole and easier to pass off as impossible. Or a village in the middle of nowhere, because Dubliners are really going to love that.

sorry for picking a village I actually think needs more families to move into the area. Abbeylara is a lovely village by the way with a great history.
I could have picked any village in the midlands or west
or any larger town in the midlands or west

nice_guy80

there are apartment blocks built in Stockholm from the 1930s that are among the most desirable places in the city to live
they were very well designed and very well built and are still quality buildings to this day.
with communal washing/drying, bike parking and storage facilities
the building is run by a committee of the property owners
and a mix of unit types - retail units, open studio apartments, one bedroom, two bedroom, three bedroom

why can't we do that properly in towns and cities across Ireland?

nice_guy80

nice_guy80 wrote: »

sorry for picking a village I actually think needs more families to move into the area. Abbeylara is a lovely village by the way with a great history.
I could have picked any village in the midlands or west
or any larger town in the midlands or west

I know... but when you pick a small town/village, then you get the inevitable objections about being stuck in the bog. Typically, the smaller places have been hit hardest by the recession and people leaving for greener pastures, which means the town has often turned into a bit of a dive with nothing to offer people. Longford, for example, has turned into such a dive. Whereas many of the towns on/near the Dublin-Galway motorway have plenty of services and potential for growth.

Doesn't matter though. Nobody is going to force them to live outside Dublin. Everyone is apparently entitled to live in areas far too expensive for them to afford...

weldoninhio

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

blame the irish catholic church for that as well their ethos used to be "go forth and multiply" and are against contraception - maybe they would like to contribute to the homeless situation .. come to think of it why dont they if they dont already - why does it fall back to the government/tax payers to sort out homeless people .... surely the churches in ireland can buy up some properties across ireland and house people if they dont already .. the churches in Ireland seem to have a lot of money ... especially the catholic ones

I don’t think Steo, Jacinta and their kids Shakira, Beyoncé and Britney are big church goers.

NIMAN

nice_guy80 wrote: »

there are apartment blocks built in Stockholm from the 1930s that are among the most desirable places in the city to live
they were very well designed and very well built and are still quality buildings to this day.
with communal washing/drying, bike parking and storage facilities
the building is run by a committee of the property owners
and a mix of unit types - retail units, open studio apartments, one bedroom, two bedroom, three bedroom

why can't we do that properly in towns and cities across Ireland?

Sound too much like common sense, thats why.

Dr Crayfish

nice_guy80 wrote: »

there are apartment blocks built in Stockholm from the 1930s that are among the most desirable places in the city to live
they were very well designed and very well built and are still quality buildings to this day.
with communal washing/drying, bike parking and storage facilities
the building is run by a committee of the property owners
and a mix of unit types - retail units, open studio apartments, one bedroom, two bedroom, three bedroom

why can't we do that properly in towns and cities across Ireland?

I would have no problem with lots and lots of apartments in Dublin, people will live in them if they're a decent standard. However if you ever read any of the one off housing threads here, it seems about half the population of Ireland can't deal with even having neighbours near their dwelling, like some weird social illness, never mind being in a tower. Management fees can be quite steep in apartments here though. Does anyone know if social welfare people pay management fees or does the welfare pay them for them too?

Dr Crayfish

NIMAN wrote: »

Sound too much like common sense, thats why.

A large percentage of people in Ireland won't live anywhere near other people is why. Why would they want to live in an apartment in their one horse town when they can build a massive ugly mansion in the countryside?

weldoninhio

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I would have no problem with lots and lots of apartments in Dublin, people will live in them if they're a decent standard. However if you ever read any of the one off housing threads here, it seems about half the population of Ireland can't deal with even having neighbours near their dwelling, like some weird social illness, never mind being in a tower. Management fees can be quite steep in apartments here though. Does anyone know if social welfare people pay management fees or does the welfare pay them for them too?

“Pay” hahahaha, are you crazy. They’re ENTITLED to live there, they don’t pay.

NIMAN

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

A large percentage of people in Ireland won't live anywhere near other people is why. Why would they want to live in an apartment in their one horse town when they can build a massive ugly mansion in the countryside?

There's absolutely no need for a block of apartments out in small villages and towns. I have no issue with big houses in the countryside, they are not involved in this debate at all.

But there is a need in Dublin. And same for all big cities where land and space is at a premium.

Oranage2

It seems obvious to what's needed to solve the homeless problem.

We need a state of the art gated community with a mixture of semi-detached houses and modern spacious apartments depending on the recipients needs. The community should be fully serviced with it's own garda station, hospital and school.

Other services should include:

- Alcohol and drug rehabilitation centre that offers daily house visits and counseling, but also for the poor individuals who are not quite ready to get clean, methadone and other substitutes are available (judgmental free).

- Supermarket that delivers free of charge (of course)
- Social welfare/post office
- School run service that bring your children to and from school
- Takeaways with a wide selection of international cuisine and daily unemployed discounts

It just seems so obvious i'm surprised the government hasn't already made these facilities and hired 100s of staff to provide these services.

Fann Linn

Oranage2 wrote: »

It seems obvious to what's needed to solve the homeless problem.

We need a state of the art gated community with a mixture of semi-detached houses and modern spacious apartments depending on the recipients needs. The community should be fully serviced with it's own garda station, hospital and school.

Other services should include:

- Alcohol and drug rehabilitation centre that offers daily house visits and counseling, but also for the poor individuals who are not quite ready to get clean, methadone and other substitutes are available (judgmental free).

- Supermarket that delivers free of charge (of course)
- Social welfare/post office
- School run service that bring your children to and from school
- Takeaways with a wide selection of international cuisine and daily unemployed discounts

It just seems so obvious i'm surprised the government hasn't already made these facilities and hired 100s of staff to provide these services.

Well considering the same govt is paying a couple of million to a hotel for 14 families, all of your list above mightn't be so far fetched.

Idbatterim

Daisy78 wrote: »

From a budget and planning perspective it makes far more sense to invest in higher density conglommerations than rural areas when it comes to infrastructure, jobs,etc. Our flawed planning system has allowed dispersed development right across the country with a proliferation of one off houses in rural areas. And every one of these households expects to be first in line when it comes to investment in infrastructure, they want their cheap house but they also want their broadband, water, good roads and access to well paying jobs,etc. There needs to be some expectation management and realism here, there is only so much money in the pot and it has to be spent in areas where the benefits are maximised in terms of the population served.

absolutely true and look a the pittance that is contributed in LPT .18%, i.e. less than one fifth of one percent!!!

do not put any social affordable housing in high rise though. I would not have them in there. For more reasons than they might just leave the deep fat fryer on...

Idbatterim

Daisy78 wrote: »

They have high rise developments in other European cities which function perfectly well. We need to get over our hangups about high rise buildings in this country.

BUT BUT BUT BAllymun! christ look at these towers in london, new york, thousands of cities across the world, the most prestigious places to live in cities! We run a bad experiment, but hundreds of howriya's in them and then write off tower living :rolleyes:

the "left" haven't been in government in this country for a few years now and still the "wellfare state" continues.

Im not sure about! over 50% income tax over E34,000 spectacular euro! Welfare recipients in budget 2017 received an extra E5 a week, more than those on 34,000 received in a usc cut, which was something like E4.50. Pretty left wing to me...

Andy From Sligo

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

Really??

How many of these families with 3+ children go to mass every week? Or are afraid to use contraception because of the church?

I'd guess little to none.

drummed into them from a young age lol

Wheeliebin30

Oranage2 wrote: »

It seems obvious to what's needed to solve the homeless problem.

We need a state of the art gated community with a mixture of semi-detached houses and modern spacious apartments depending on the recipients needs. The community should be fully serviced with it's own garda station, hospital and school.

Other services should include:

- Alcohol and drug rehabilitation centre that offers daily house visits and counseling, but also for the poor individuals who are not quite ready to get clean, methadone and other substitutes are available (judgmental free).

- Supermarket that delivers free of charge (of course)
- Social welfare/post office
- School run service that bring your children to and from school
- Takeaways with a wide selection of international cuisine and daily unemployed discounts

It just seems so obvious i'm surprised the government hasn't already made these facilities and hired 100s of staff to provide these services.

I fooken love this!!!!!!

Wheeliebin30

Idbatterim wrote: »

BUT BUT BUT BAllymun! christ look at these towers in london, new york, thousands of cities across the world, the most prestigious places to live in cities! We run a bad experiment, but hundreds of howriya's in them and then write off tower living :rolleyes:

Im not sure about! over 50% income tax over E34,000 spectacular euro! Welfare recipients in budget 2017 received an extra E5 a week, more than those on 34,000 received in a usc cut, which was something like E4.50. Pretty left wing to me...

Name your party so?

Youre full of spunk, give us the solution.

Andy From Sligo

pilly wrote: »

It was a good idea moving them into flats that were built with sub standard material because it was cheaper?

Now I know you're on a wind up or incredibly stupid.

good idea moving a large amount of people into one relatively small place, although personally I am not a huge fan of high rise flats - the intention was not there to move them into flats knowing that one day a fire like that was going to happen - yes the foresight was bad, the using the cheaper flammable covering was bad, the legislation of not putting sprinklers in flats is a bad idea - but as I say, you have a huge amount of people you have to house in one small area then high rise flats are the way to go

Doltanian

These moochers don't want to move to the country because they wouldn't have everything so convenient and shock horror they might have to actually work like the rest of the country men and women.

Lyra Fangs

wakka12 wrote: »

Because, even homeless people have family and friend ties and I think its unfair to give somebody a housing option so far outside the city they are from.

I'm living in a city far away from where I'm from. I had to come here to get a job in order to be able to pay for food, etc. Why should I have to remove myself from my support network in order to pay my way but homeless people shouldn't have to even when it's for a free house??