Liverpool vs Everton

Mr.H

RoboKlopp wrote:

Aside from all the slagging etc, Everton should be aiming higher than Big Sam and I think they will. He'll be gone in 12-18 months

Sam was only brought in to stabilise the club. They where in trouble before he signed. I think if he can get them mid table they will start looking for his replacement

thebaz

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Aside from all the slagging etc, Everton should be aiming higher than Big Sam and I think they will. He'll be gone in 12-18 months

hopefully - the sooner the better for me - though hes spent 26 million today

Blowing up on twitter and news reports but murmours of racial abuse from Firmino

FA to investigate

KERSPLAT!

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Blowing up on twitter and news reports but murmours of racial abuse from Firmino

FA to investigate

Hard to believe that no-one else heard it considering the ref was between them and plenty of others around. Who knows.

Cantona's Collars

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Blowing up on twitter and news reports but murmours of racial abuse from Firmino

FA to investigate

A term of endearment in Brazil.

j8wk2feszrnpao

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Blowing up on twitter and news reports but murmours of racial abuse from Firmino

FA to investigate

"Television evidence suggests however, that Holgate was mistaken, with pictures appearing to show Firmino apparently mouthing a Portuguese phrase “loco puta”, which roughly translates as ‘crazy mother******."

KERSPLAT!

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Hard to believe that no-one else heard it considering the ref was between them and plenty of others around. Who knows.

Some saying it has happened off camera, others saying on

I'd suspect there will be a full report from refs tomorrow

Could be Suarez 2.0, wonder how Liverpool will treat it this time around

munstermagic11

munstermagic11 wrote: »

"Television evidence suggests however, that Holgate was mistaken, with pictures appearing to show Firmino apparently mouthing a Portuguese phrase “loco puta”, which roughly translates as ‘crazy mother******."

Reports saying it was potentially off camera

TitianGerm

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Blowing up on twitter and news reports but murmours of racial abuse from Firmino

FA to investigate

Nothing to investigate apparently Mick.

It's been reported Firmino called Holgate a 'Puca' for pushing him into the stand, Holgate assumed it was a racial slur and reacted. From what I read it was explained to Holgate what it actually meant at half time by the Everton backroom team.

With the ref and all the Everton players around none of them even seemed to react so I think we can assume whatever was said wasn't that bad or there would have been a lot more of a reaction from other players (or the ref sending him off)

fyfe79

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Blowing up on twitter and news reports but murmours of racial abuse from Firmino

FA to investigate

The camera's clearly pick up Firmino shouting "Loco Puto" (crazy c*nt). Nothing racist in that, but Fermino is a little silly to be slandering in Portuguese, while in England, as it leaves him open to be misunderstood.

emmetkenny

emmetkenny wrote: »

Nothing to investigate apparently Mick.

It's been reported Firmino called Holgate a 'Puca' for pushing him into the stand, Holgate assumed it was a racial slur and reacted. From what I read it was explained to Holgate what it actually meant at half time by the Everton backroom team.

With the ref and all the Everton players around none of them even seemed to react so I think we can assume whatever was said wasn't that bad or there would have been a lot more of a reaction from other players (or the ref sending him off)

FA are investigating

Osmosis Jones

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Reports saying it was potentially off camera

It was on a football pitch, there's always a camera.

j8wk2feszrnpao

fyfe79 wrote: »

The camera's clearly pick up Firmino shouting "Loco Puto". Nothing racist in that, but Fermino is a little silly to be slandering in Portuguese, while in England, as it leaves him open to be misunderstood.

Misunderstood? The ref and every other player right there had no issue.
Maybe it was intentionally misunderstood? (if we can throw around accusations).

Osmosis Jones

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

It was on a football pitch, there's always a camera.

Don't shoot the messenger, captures on TV possibly on an off camera not viewable to general public
That's why it's being investigated apparently
Sure time will tell
The FA involved now

monkey9

M!Ck^ wrote: »

FA are investigating

They have to because Holgate reported it to the ref at the time. It's just routine.

monkey9

monkey9 wrote: »

They have to because Holgate reported it to the ref at half time.

Yea I know, why explain to me

Osmosis Jones

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Don't shoot the messenger
That's why it's being investigated apparently
Sure time will tell
The FA involved now

The whole incident is on camera, you can see Holgate say to the ref "he called me a n*****" or something to that effect. The ref then went and reported it to the 4th official. Since then it seems the whole incident has been totted up to a misunderstanding, the FA are still obliged to investigate it due to it being reported but it's nothing more than a formality.

Liamalone

*shoots M! Ck^*

monkey9

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Yea I know, why explain to me

Just trying to calm you down.

fyfe79

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Misunderstood? The ref and every other player right there had no issue.
Maybe it was intentionally misunderstood? (if we can throw around accusations).

Maybe. Holgate either decided in his own mind what he heard, or genuinely misunderstood. Only he knows.

Osmosis Jones

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

The whole incident is on camera, you can see Holgate say to the ref "he called me a n*****" or something to that effect. The ref then went and reported it to the 4th official. Since then it seems the whole incident has been totted up to a misunderstanding, the FA are still obliged to investigate it due to it being reported but it's nothing more than a formality.

Not what is on twitter as I said, alot of sources saying potentially off the sky camera
Anyway FA to investigate, let's see what happens

KERSPLAT!

Will Holgate be brought up for the push? Pretty dangerous and I wouldn't have seen any issue with a straight red. A push is grand... a push into/over hoarding at full pelt is not IMO

Turtyturd

monkey9 wrote: »

Just trying to calm you down.

You’re killing his hard on.

monkey9

monkey9 wrote: »

Just trying to calm you down.

Calm down from what? Think your getting sensitive about it

TitianGerm

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Not what is on twitter as I said, alot of sources saying potentially off the sky camera
Anyway FA to investigate, let's see what happens

Don't believe everything you see on Twitter Mick, next you'll be telling us the world is flat, it's fake news and vaccines cause autism.

KERSPLAT!

j8wk2feszrnpao

fyfe79 wrote: »

Maybe. Holgate either decided in his own mind what he heard, or genuinely misunderstood. Only he knows.

If he said to the ref "he called me a n*****", then it's a hell of a misunderstanding, cause I doubt the ref and every other player there could have not heard it. As you say, only he knows his mind. But he should come right out and apologize having made the accusation.

Osmosis Jones

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Not what is on twitter as I said, alot of sources saying potentially off the sky camera
Anyway FA to investigate, let's see what happens

Any links to all these sources? The entire incident seemed to happen on the pitch and on camera.

Grayditch

I guess Everton need to take some sort of win from the game. It's looking like nothing right now.

emmetkenny

emmetkenny wrote: »

Don't believe everything you see on Twitter Mick, next you'll be telling us the world is flat, it's fake news and vaccines cause autism.

Could say the same about boards

Agent Coulson

Grayditch wrote: »

I guess Everton need to take some sort of win from the game. It's looking like nothing right now.

And utd fans by the looks of it.

munstermagic11

munstermagic11 wrote: »

If he said to the ref "he called me a n*****", then it's a hell of a misunderstanding, cause I doubt the ref and every other player there could have not heard it. As you say, only he knows his mind. But he should come right out and apologize having made the accusation.

Would look like a right fool if that's the case
Holgate could equally be accountable if accusations deemed false
Wonder what the action would be in reverse from the FA

TitianGerm

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Could say the same about boards

Boards does cause a lot of problems in fairness. Lads lose the run of themselves of the spelling mistakes, dole basing and lots of other stuff!!

j8wk2feszrnpao

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Any links to all these sources? The entire incident seemed to happen on the pitch and on camera.

My guess is that they are all in a certain thread. None with a single piece of evidence (just like the BBC boys).

fullstop

Someone is wetting themselves with excitement

fyfe79

munstermagic11 wrote: »

If he said to the ref "he called me a n*****", then it's a hell of a misunderstanding, cause I doubt the ref and every other player there could have not heard it. As you say, only he knows his mind. But he should come right out and apologize having made the accusation.

Oh for sure, when I first saw it I thought Holgate was trying to deflect attention from his push, for which he maybe thought he would be sent off.

After thinking more about it, it's possible that as a young lad he is triggered to over-react to everything and defaulted to "that's racist!" when Fermino gave him an earful in a language he didn't understand.

We shouldn't underestimate the power of social conditioning.

fullstop

fullstop wrote: »

Someone is wetting themselves with excitement

You should really take a piss if that's the case

thebaz

The BBC got all excited when it happened - a real Mersey derby - then suddenly started looking for sinister motives at half time - as an Evertonian lit seams like a storm in a tea cup - things get said in football , you move on - maybe I'm just old school.

Turtyturd

Biggest piece of evidence against it happening is Everton fans not trying to claim a penalty for it.

fullstop

emmetkenny wrote: »

Don't believe everything you see on Twitter Mick, next you'll be telling us the world is flat, it's fake news and vaccines cause autism.

It's funny, he was very disbelieving of twitter when jose was making a clown of himself in the tunnel the other week and kept asking for "evidence"...how things change

fullstop

M!Ck^ wrote: »

You should really take a piss if that's the case

Nope :rolleyes:

fullstop

fullstop wrote: »

It's funny, he was very disbelieving of twitter when jose was making a clown of himself in the tunnel the other week and kept asking for "evidence"...how things change

Hadn't realised Jose was at Liverpool v Everton match
Btw it's being reported by the media too not just twitter
Careful not wee with excitement

fullstop

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Hadn't realised Jose was at Liverpool v Everton match
Btw it's being reported by the media too not just twitter
Careful not wee with excitement

Try harder

fullstop

fullstop wrote: »

Try harder

Try harder at what?

j8wk2feszrnpao

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Try harder at what?

At the media isn't full of the same stuff twitter is.
And the media is also reporting that Holgate got it wrong.

munstermagic11

munstermagic11 wrote: »

At the media isn't full of the same stuff twitter is.
And the media is also reporting that Holgate got it wrong.

Grand, as I said let's see what the FA say

LuckyLloyd

fullstop wrote: »

It's funny, he was very disbelieving of twitter when jose was making a clown of himself in the tunnel the other week and kept asking for "evidence"...how things change

Mick gonna Mick

Grayditch

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Grand, as I said let's see what the FA say

You want it so much, you can almost taste it.

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Mick gonna Mick

Loyd Gona Loyd

Grayditch

Grayditch wrote: »

You want it so much, you can almost taste it.

Taste the FA? Weird stuff