The Alpha Male - does he really exist?

Billy86

I think it's safe to say at this point some on here at this point have to be on a wind up.

wakka12

This thread is crazy Im not able to tell who's trolling anymore

Grayson

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

The second i think of an alpha male, Dwayne Johnson comes to mind immediately.

Although I think Alpha Males are a load of bollox, I kinda agree with you on this.

I think being called "The Rock" helps

Grayson

21Savage wrote: »

Saw this on Reddit before, really hit a chord

Not getting your first experiences of dating and sex in your teens leads to making huge ****ups later in life, at an age when people assume someone to already have assimilated the basics of dating and sex (and, in fact, significantly progressed beyond the basics), simply because someone hasn't gone through that initial learning phase back in their teens. People tend to be extremely unforgiving towards those whose behavior is perceived as less mature than their age group; the less mature, the more suspiciously someone tends to be regarded. Basically, start early, fail fast, learn from your mistakes and improve over time; the later you enter the game, the steeper the learning curve, because you have a lot of catching up to do in a short amount of time and you ain't getting any younger.

I do agree with this. "Chatting up" someone is a social skill. I don't mean in the pick up artist kind of way. I just mean being able to put yourself out there, seem normal and funny, and not be weird.

I think the reason the Inbetweeners was such a success is because it did reflect what it's like being an awkward teenager who has absolutely no fecking idea what to say to a girl. Some people are just natural at it but for the rest it's an agonising learning process.

Every single person either said/did something hilariously stupid when they were that age or they know someone who did.

21Savage

21Savage wrote: »

That's BS. What hot to decent 28 year old is gonna get with an experienceless sexless 38 year old guy.

Perhaps a woman that's tired of the cheaters and would like a nice guy who will love her to bits, and appreciate that she picked him?

The world is a rather large place with infinite possibilities regarding the tastes/interests that women/men have in any variety of relationships. Different cultures/nationalities have different ideas of what is attractive.

What would a guy even do in such a situation having never had any experience to draw from..

Read a book? Talk to your buddies? Admit your inexperience and allow the woman to take control? :rolleyes:

I had my first girlfriend when I was 30, and she was a "hot" stripper. I can quite comfortably say that you have very little understanding of this topic.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The Alpha male concept just seeks to excuse behaving like an asshole. Nope. You're not alpha. You're a prick.

Speaking solely based on my own experience and not any general truth - I have never seen anyone use the term to describe themselves. Let alone to use it to excuse their own poor character.

Rather the people I have seen use the term use it to describe others. And they use it to explain away some failing their perceive in themselves but do not want to address or acknowledge.

"Oh I would love a girl like he has - but he is alpha and I am not" "Oh I would love to have the thing / be able to do the thing he has - but he is alpha and I am not".

For some people it seems preferable to label some nebulous fuzzy concept and use it to justify not addressing something in their own selves that other parts of their self is telling them they should be addressing.

21Savage wrote: »

Absolutely not. I was designed to be repellent to women. They don't like me, whatever. I don't trigger that feeling in them and I've got over it.

Wow you could be a version of the 21 year old me who thought exactly like you do. Absolutely 100% totally convinced I was physically and mentally built in such a way that I was simply a woman repellent.

I figured out a lot of the errors in my thinking and righted that nonsense fairly sharpish. I am not sure what "energy" you think can not be learned in life - but I certainly learned a few. And none of it meant I was hampered by being a short - IT Nerd version of the Milky Bar Kid.

I also recently had the privilege to work with a friend who was bordering on suicidal depression for what he thought was his inexplicable lack of success with women and his impending eternal bachelorhood. He genuinely had no idea what was wrong.

So I went speed dating with him and found out almost instantly what was wrong - as I watched him get a sum total of zero contacts. And I worked with him for awhile on the problems I identified. And we went speed dating again. His success rate the second time around was quite remarkable.

There is a lot of things we can learn about ourselves - especially if a trusted other gives us a lens on ourselves that we might lack alone.

pone2012 wrote: »

Either that post is (a) joking or (b) a stinking steaming sack of giraffe sh**

pone2012 wrote: »

Every word of that list screams pay attention to me, please pay attention to me

Welcome to After Hours. Yes that user is a joke - it is an online persona created for comic effect and not to be taken seriously. Was actually funny originally. Getting a bit samey now sadly.

Grayson

Here is the only true alpha male.

https://www.livin3.com/100-most-interesting-man-in-the-world-quotes

Omackeral

21Savage wrote: »

Open your eyes bro.

21Savage wrote: »

All women want to be the side piece of the dominant guy in the room.

21Savage wrote: »

That's actually a very alpha trait, knowing your power over women and bedding 'a lot' of them.

21Savage wrote: »

Your friend was the equivalent of the archetype school football captain. He had INSANE local status.

Never change Eden Hazard, never change.

Omackeral

21Savage wrote: »

Been there done that. Einstein said something about the definition of insanity and expecting different results. I've been ghosted, swerved, dodged and dived one too many times.

Maybe it's because you're calling women 'broads', assuming what they want as per your charts and referring to them as 8's, 9's and side pieces...... bro.

LuckyLloyd

What's a "dimepiece"?

Corvo

Sir Oxman wrote: »

A bloke I work with is alpha.
He's strong (fit, works out etc) tall, handsome.
Crucially, he's also very social and uses all of the above to position himself naturally as the alpha.
He's the go to guy for advice and for the rest of us to feel good.

Us other mere mortals in work acknowledge it withouts ever saying it.

The fooker is 25.

I'm 50.

Go figure.

Console yourself with the fact he has a tiny willy.

Omackeral

21Savage wrote: »

Maybe your mates got with broads because they had status from being GAA players or something? Has anyone been around Coppers All-Ireland night? I had to run home in tears in light of what was happening. I actually got sick out of rage. Jealously peaked that night. Was a real awakening of what a different world I was living in. I felt like a ghost watching on. I saw one of the players literally eye**** some hot dimepiece and she just went in there with them there and then. She was with a guy(may have been her bf) and just left him on the spot.

21Savage

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

What's a "dimepiece"?

A real broad but not the type of girl you take home to your mum. Normally only seen with high status males. Not necessarily the prettiest girls you'll see but they they make you bite down on your knuckles and say daaayuuum

Omackeral

21Savage wrote: »

As an aside, best looking guy I know is quiet but he just commands respect in any room because of his looks. He could be in a room full of Senior Cup winners

Have I wondered into a Ross O Carroll Kelly book here?

21Savage wrote: »

I will be following his career on LinkedIn, I'm sure he'll go far.

Wow, what a beta cuck.

sbsquarepants

Sir Oxman wrote: »

A bloke I work with is alpha.
He's strong (fit, works out etc) tall, handsome.
Crucially, he's also very social and uses all of the above to position himself naturally as the alpha.
He's the go to guy for advice and for the rest of us to feel good.

Us other mere mortals in work acknowledge it withouts ever saying it.

The fooker is 25.

I'm 50.

Go figure.

Maybe you could ask that if you blew him, would he let you be his friend?;)

Omackeral

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

What's a "dimepiece"?

What normal people over here would call attractive/good looking or ''a ride''.

21Savage

21Savage wrote: »

A real broad but not the type of girl you take home to your mum. Normally only seen with high status males. Not necessarily the prettiest girls you'll see but they they make you bite down on your knuckles and say daaayuuum

I'm sorry, but that's just ****ed up.

You really use labels like that to describe women?

TBH, I'm starting to have more sympathy for the SJWs and Feminists if they have to put up with this kind of terminology.

bodice ripper

LuckyLloyd wrote:

What's a "dimepiece"?

A woman who is 10 out of 10, a dime being 10 cents.

sbsquarepants

bodice ripper wrote: »

A woman who is 10 out of 10, a dime being 10 cents.

Am I the only one who can only read "dimepiece" in a Humphry Bogart, Cassablanca voice?

bodice ripper

sbsquarepants wrote:

Am I the only one who can only read "dimepiece" in a Humphry Bogart, Cassablanca voice?

Think more of a white guy in a backwards baseball cap doing his best Ebonics...

somefeen

Repsulive wrote: »

I've had girls laugh at me when I took my top off because I'm ghost white and don't have abs. That's how shallow women are these days.

Were I alive 100 years being pale would have worked in my favour.

Ffs I was feeling sorry for you but its pretty clear now why you arent attractive. Its all women's fault for being shallow while at the same time you rate their attractiveness with **** like dime piece etc.

Your gonna sit their and blame women for your situation and do nothing but feel sorry for yourself.
Want abs? Hit the gym. Your choosing to be miserable.

Enjoy your pity party lads. But remember this crap your peddling probably has alot to do with the high rate of suicide among young men. Yeah not feminism, but miserable guys dragging everyone else down with them.

Just a few pages back there was someone talking about taking themselves out of the gene pool, and then ye sit here posting about all the things that will make others feel that way.
Have some bloody responsibility for yourselves and others. You are actively being part of that suicide problem.

I'm out. Get yourselves some ****ing counselling before you end up as another ****ing statistic.

TBH for any Irish guy out there having trouble with dating in Ireland, I'd highly suggest going abroad for a few years and start dating elsewhere (outside Uk/Ireland). Ireland with its smaller population is very difficult unless you fall within certain approved stereotypes. Go elsewhere and you'll meet a greater variety of women, and it's much easier to date the kind of women you previously would have considered beyond your reach. Then when you come back to Ireland, you have your confidence and the realization that you don't have to jump through hoops.

PopePalpatine

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Am I the only one who can only read "dimepiece" in a Humphry Bogart, Cassablanca voice?

I was thinking more along the lines of Donnie in "The Wolf of Wall Street".

seamus

somefeen wrote: »

People come up with this alpha - beta male stuff and use its occurance in other groups of animals as proof that it must exist in humans "because were animals to"

Funny thing is the archetype of the Alpha-Beta dynamic is the wolf pack.

But wolf packs don't even display this behaviour. The Alpha-Beta social structure in wolves was proposed and then disproven decades ago, but it still persists because a small number of people liked the idea and refuse to let it go.

The actual occurrence of "alphas" in nature is relatively rare and even where it's seen is the subject of much controversy.

Simple hierarchies which place a single individual at the top of a chain are evolutionarily unstable because even if that single individual is the only one who procreates, the next generation are all alpha-offspring and will fight for position and end up losing out to those which form beneficial alliances.

Therefore it's the most co-operative organisms whose genes flourish, not the most aggressive or imposing. And indeed, also not the weak and isolated.

21Savage

Deleted User wrote: »

TBH for any Irish guy out there having trouble with dating in Ireland, I'd highly suggest going abroad for a few years and start dating elsewhere (outside Uk/Ireland). Ireland with its smaller population is very difficult unless you fall within certain approved stereotypes. Go elsewhere and you'll meet a greater variety of women, and it's much easier to date the kind of women you previously would have considered beyond your reach. Then when you come back to Ireland, you have your confidence and the realization that you don't have to jump through hoops.

It's the same everywhere in Europe and the west. Some Irish guys might do alright in America due to being exotic but only as a short-term accessory(think a pug or a handbag) and tbh I don't think in a globalised world being foreign is that exotic anymore(Depends where you go of course)
If a guy struggles in Dublin, imagine putting him in Paris!!! :eek::eek::eek: It would be like a lamb to a slaughter.
Only chance these guys have is to go somewhere where new age feminism hasn't taken a hold and women have traditional values. This will surely change over the next two decades so better act quick.

White guys have the advantage in that being white is the ideal in this period of time and space we find ourselves in so yes you can go to Asia, Africa and even South America and try to find yourself a women.

Insect Overlord

Nah, they probably don't fancy marrying a silly foreign moron either.

conorhal

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Am I the only one who can only read "dimepiece" in a Humphry Bogart, Cassablanca voice?

We all did bub, 'cause that's how just we refer to dames in this shady Gin joint.....

Permabear

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qwerty ui op

pone2012 wrote: »

So, its a social crutch basically?

Exactly it's a social crutch! just to be clear, we're talking about interacting with unknown women so as to either have sex or form a relationship with them, the vast majority of young men wouldn't have the confidence to chat women up in a bar /nightclub without drink. Also flirting with a women that you already know from college or work is an entirely different matter, most guys can do that without the drink

pone2012 wrote: »

Perhaps you don't believe so...but plenty of people have improved their confidence...no alcohol necessary...nor any other substance for that matter

Yes you can improve confidence this is how it's done
If your in your late teens or early twenties and never even kissed a girl what you need to do is go out and actually kiss a girl.
The best way to do this is really obvious, here it is.
At the weekend meet your friends for a few drinks around 8pm or 9pm, as the night rolls on you should move to more lively bars/clubs
these bars/clubs will be full of women who are also out having a few drinks if you get talking to one of these women there is every chance she will allow you to stick your tongue in her mouth. You may have to go out 2/3 nights a week for a whole year or even two years for this to happen but if you can get this far in late teens early twenties it's highly lightly you will go on to settle down and have a family in later life.
It's that simple and I can assure this is very best approach.

pone2012 wrote: »

hmm well why lets see.....Id gather most people prefer to be actually confident rather than be under the illusion that they are due to a toxin...

Good enough reason for you?

you get confident by real life experience if a guy gets to kiss a girl every now and again he is eventually going to have sex with one this will greatly increase his confidence
You have no reasons or plan just some fanciful notions of about something magically happening in a coffee shop

sbsquarepants

Permabear wrote: »

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My missus is half Egyptian. I can see the logic.

She came to me though, cos I'm alpha as fúck

sbsquarepants

qwerty ui op wrote: »

drinks if you get talking to one of these women there is every chance she will allow you to stick your tongue in her mouth. You may have to go out 2/3 nights a week for a whole year or even two years for this to happen but if you can get this far in late teens early twenties it's highly lightly you will go on to settle down and have a family in later life.

It's not cool to knock another guys success rate with the ladies - but if you're scoring once in 150 attempts - you are doing something badly wrong!

NeonSquares

I'm not an Alpha male, I'm 1.0

21Savage

Permabear wrote: »

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If they like black women yeh Could also go to North(SE USA) or South America(Colombia Brazil) or the Caribbean

qwerty ui op

sbsquarepants wrote: »

It's not cool to knock another guys success rate with the ladies - but if you're scoring once in 150 attempts - you are doing something badly wrong!

once in 150 attempts a guy is probably doing everything wrong but it's better than doing nothing. That one experience will bring down that 150 misses next time round. People talk about this that and the other when the most important thing is to actually be there! to be at the place people go to hook up and tbh you've no business being there without having a few drinks on board

sbsquarepants

21Savage wrote: »

If they like black women yeh

Don't be so hasty.
I seen one of those in Ireland the other day - could save you a trip!:D

Omackeral

21Savage wrote: »

If they like black women yeh Could also go to North(SE USA) or South America(Colombia Brazil) or the Caribbean

Just go to Tyrellstown or Ongar. No need to up sticks son.

21Savage

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Don't be so hasty.
I seen one of those in Ireland the other day - could save you a trip!:D

I don't have much interactions with young immigrants/second generations in Ireland. It's entirely possible they haven't been conditioned by society yet and thus more likely to be forgiving/accept a native.

ArchXStanton

21Savage wrote: »

It's the same everywhere in Europe and the west. Some Irish guys might do alright in America due to being exotic but only as a short-term accessory(think a pug or a handbag) and tbh I don't think in a globalised world being foreign is that exotic anymore(Depends where you go of course)
If a guy struggles in Dublin, imagine putting him in Paris!!! :eek::eek::eek: It would be like a lamb to a slaughter.
Only chance these guys have is to go somewhere where new age feminism hasn't taken a hold and women have traditional values. This will surely change over the next two decades so better act quick.

White guys have the advantage in that being white is the ideal in this period of time and space we find ourselves in so yes you can go to Asia, Africa and even South America and try to find yourself a women.

If you want to see the red pill as it's called on steroids...take a trip to south East Asia

Better yet change your location on Tinder and prepare to be a busy man..

Pintman Paddy Losty

I know some ugly ass bros getting some serious action in the Philippines. These dudes are taking down grade 10 hotties every day. Like literally a diff 20 something broad every week. All cause they're white. If western chicks don't wise up all the dudes are gonna skip town to where the real action is, for real.

21Savage

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I know some ugly ass bros getting some serious action in the Philippines. These dudes are taking down grade 10 hotties every day. Like literally a diff 20 something broad every week. All cause they're white. If western chicks don't wise up all the dudes are gonna skip town to where the real action is, for real.

It's hollow though, these guys would much prefer to be in LTR relationships with a beautiful local girl that they grew up with and maybe had their first kiss with looking up at the stars. Instead, women wanna get ****faced and do drugs and bag the hottest guy they can. And nothing short of that will do.

Only hope anyone has with women is to play multiple off at one time, that way you don't seem needy and look desirable, then they will be the ones looking to tie you down. It's crazy how different the reality is for two types of guys. The alpha guy has his fingers in many pies and the girls want to tie him down whereas the non alpha likes that one girl and she wants nothing to do with him. I find it utterly fascinating on one level.

Pintman Paddy Losty

21Savage wrote: »

It's hollow though, these guys would much prefer to be in LTR relationships with a beautiful local girl that they grew up with and maybe had their first kiss with looking up at the stars. Instead, women wanna get ****faced and do drugs and bag the hottest guy they can. And nothing short of that will do.

Only hope anyone has with women is to play multiple off at one time, that way you don't seem needy and look desirable, then they will be the ones looking to tie you down. It's crazy how different the reality is for two types of guys. The alpha guy has his fingers in many pies and the girls want to tie him down whereas the non alpha likes that one girl and she wants nothing to do with him. I find it utterly fascinating on one level.

Totally bro. Then they end up settling for some beta that they never really liked. They resent him and that's why there's so many fcked up relationships out there. If only they'd open their eyes to the dude in the fedora who was their friend all along.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Don't be so hasty.
I seen one of those in Ireland the other day - could save you a trip!:D

Do you know actually what I saw recently was a black woman smoking a cigarette and I realised I don't think I've ever seen that before in my life, outside of TV and films. Wonder what the craic is there.

Sorry, not to derail this stellar thread.

sbsquarepants

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Like literally a diff 20 something broad every week.

What might a diff 20 something broad be?

I assume a gentleman would quite like to "take one down" like these "dudes" you speak of?

Pintman Paddy Losty

sbsquarepants wrote: »

What might a diff 20 something broad be?

I assume a gentleman would quite like to "take one down" like these "dudes" you speak of?

A babe in her 20s. Thought it was self-explanitory dude??

sbsquarepants

Stella Stocky Watt wrote: »

Do you know actually what I saw recently was a black woman smoking a cigarette and I realised I don't think I've ever seen that before in my life, outside of TV and films. Wonder what the craic is there.

Sorry, not to derail this stellar thread.

Aside: I've never really thought about it but it now that I do, I can't recall seeing one smoking either?

And now back to the thread: -

Seen one or two smoking hot, fúck yeah, high five me bro:D

sbsquarepants

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

A babe in her 20s. Thought it was self-explanitory dude??

Oh right. Diff as in different.

You crazy kids, with your jive talk.

I'm 43. I had precious little use for a babe in her 20's 15 years ago. I wouldn't know what to do with one now.
They're just like iphones, ever changing -I mean do they even have an ear phone jack anymore or do you have to ride them wirelessly?

seamus

Stella Stocky Watt wrote: »

Do you know actually what I saw recently was a black woman smoking a cigarette and I realised I don't think I've ever seen that before in my life, outside of TV and films. Wonder what the craic is there.

Sorry, not to derail this stellar thread.

Smoking in general is very much a cultural thing, which flourishes depending on cultural acceptance.

The popularity of modern smoking comes from cultural imagery from the 1930s onwards where smoking was associated with style and sophistication. All of the wealthy, intelligent and beautiful people smoked, and were shown in films, tv shows and and advertisements enjoying a nice cigarette.

Of course, they were almost exclusively white, too. Coupled with unrestrained and ubiquitous advertising, smoking skyrocketed in the western world.

There wasn't the same preponderance of smoking black role models or aggressive advertising towards black people for smoking.

Smoking rates have been shooting upwards in Africa since tobacco companies focussed on doing business there rather than trying to fight the tide in the West, but it would certainly still be far less of a popular pursuit.

Islam is a cultural blocker too since it generally regards smoking as prohibited. So even moderate muslims would feel that they should avoid smoking or at least don't do it in public.

Even if the black person wasn't Muslim, a country with a large muslim population would have a significant anti-smoking bias since non-muslims would know their muslim peers look down on smokers.

captbarnacles

seamus wrote: »

Smoking in general is very much a cultural thing, which flourishes depending on cultural acceptance.

The popularity of modern smoking comes from cultural imagery from the 1930s onwards where smoking was associated with style and sophistication. All of the wealthy, intelligent and beautiful people smoked, and were shown in films, tv shows and and advertisements enjoying a nice cigarette.

Of course, they were almost exclusively white, too. Coupled with unrestrained and ubiquitous advertising, smoking skyrocketed in the western world.

There wasn't the same preponderance of smoking black role models or aggressive advertising towards black people for smoking.

Smoking rates have been shooting upwards in Africa since tobacco companies focussed on doing business there rather than trying to fight the tide in the West, but it would certainly still be far less of a popular pursuit.

Islam is a cultural blocker too since it generally regards smoking as prohibited. So even moderate muslims would feel that they should avoid smoking or at least don't do it in public.

Uh oh.

21Savage

21Savage wrote: »

It's the same everywhere in Europe and the west.

Hardly. There is far more variety in "tastes" on the continent, where, for example, skinny guys can be just as popular as athletic guys. Ever spent any time in Italy?

The point is that what is considered less than attractive here in Ireland can be seen as attractive in other countries. And they often are. The populations are higher, and there are more opportunities to meet people with varied interests.

Some Irish guys might do alright in America due to being exotic but only as a short-term accessory(think a pug or a handbag) and tbh I don't think in a globalised world being foreign is that exotic anymore(Depends where you go of course)

The exotic advantage is dying unless you're in the back of the beyond. You're more likely to be hit with the perception that westerners have a higher income potential than local guys, than being exotic.

I've traveled through quite a bit of Eastern Europe, Russia, and lived in Asia.

If a guy struggles in Dublin, imagine putting him in Paris!!! :eek::eek::eek: It would be like a lamb to a slaughter.

Whereas while I sucked in Ireland, I did extremely well in Paris, Berlin, Turin, Tokyo, etc.

Only chance these guys have is to go somewhere where new age feminism hasn't taken a hold and women have traditional values. This will surely change over the next two decades so better act quick.

White guys have the advantage in that being white is the ideal in this period of time and space we find ourselves in so yes you can go to Asia, Africa and even South America and try to find yourself a women.

I disagree. A nice guy who behaves like a gentleman and isn't trying to screw everything that moves will be successful pretty much anywhere with a decent population on hand, and some nice jazz/cocktail bars to visit.

wakka12

21Savage wrote: »

It's the same everywhere in Europe and the west. Some Irish guys might do alright in America due to being exotic but only as a short-term accessory(think a pug or a handbag) and tbh I don't think in a globalised world being foreign is that exotic anymore(Depends where you go of course)
If a guy struggles in Dublin, imagine putting him in Paris!!! :eek::eek::eek: It would be like a lamb to a slaughter.
Only chance these guys have is to go somewhere where new age feminism hasn't taken a hold and women have traditional values. This will surely change over the next two decades so better act quick.

White guys have the advantage in that being white is the ideal in this period of time and space we find ourselves in so yes you can go to Asia, Africa and even South America and try to find yourself a women.

This is ridiculous. Being ugly hasn't stopped anyone getting a partner, look at the jeremy kyle showyou have the most inbred hills have eyes looking folk cheating on each other and all sorts of romantic dramas..
Look around you on the street theres as many ugly people who are partnered with another ugly person as there are good looking people partnered with somebody