The Snapper-debate

pipelaser · 07-01-2018 4:32pm #1

https://youtu.be/rRTEvkOHCOg

Have just shown The Snapper to an English friend.

She reffered to the car park Sharon-George Burgess scene as a rape. (See link above)

I never thought about it in that way while watching it down the years.

What do you think?

Allinall · 07-01-2018 4:34pm

pipelaser wrote: »

https://youtu.be/rRTEvkOHCOg

Have just shown The Snapper to an English friend.

She reffered to the car park Sharon-George Burgess scene as a rape. (See link above)

I never thought about it in that way while watching it down the years.

What do you think?

He gave her a tenner so it's ok.

me_irl · 07-01-2018 4:35pm

I'd agree.

He was sober, she was drunk so not of "sound mind" and could be seen to have taken advantage.

Allinall wrote: »

He gave her a tenner so it's ok.

Coffee really hurts when it comes out your nose! :pac:

Wheety · 07-01-2018 4:38pm

Yup.

Also people tend to forget about the attempted rape in Back to the Future :eek:

whomitconcerns · 07-01-2018 4:41pm

And What about all those murders in nightmare on elm Street...

Gorgeousgeorge · 07-01-2018 4:41pm

Wheety wrote: »

Yup.

Also people tend to forget about the attempted rape in Back to the Future :eek:

That biff tannen fella was no good

me_irl · 07-01-2018 4:42pm

Wheety wrote: »

Yup.

Also people tend to forget about the attempted rape in Back to the Future :eek:

Looking back on old movies like...

milehip · 07-01-2018 4:42pm

Rape? That encounter was the height of romance for that neck of the woods. Fine example of car park seduction by Mr. Burgess wha?

pablo128 · 07-01-2018 4:43pm

Tell your English friend it was a film, not real life.

FFS.

LollipopJimmy · 07-01-2018 4:44pm

It's mentioned in the book. Apparently Sharon (Rabbitte in the book) had thought that what happened could be considered rape.

07-01-2018 4:46pm

I never read the book so open to correction, but a friend who did said yes, it was rape. The thing about the movie is that you can't really make a comedy that originates around a rape, so a little dramatic licence was take by the producers. Fair enough, a comedy that kicks off with a rape would be pretty vile to say the least.

Atlantic Dawn · 07-01-2018 4:49pm

What's the point in givin ye a gun if they don't give ye jaysus bullets?

SimpleDimples · 07-01-2018 4:51pm

Of course it's rape.

It was taking advantage of someone too drunk to consent.

I don't see how there's any room for debate at all.

If it isn't consentual, then it's rape.

pipelaser · 07-01-2018 4:53pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I never read the book so open to correction, but a friend who did said yes, it was rape. The thing about the movie is that you can't really make a comedy that originates around a rape, so a little dramatic licence was take by the producers. Fair enough, a comedy that kicks off with a rape would be pretty vile to say the least.

I see what youre saying, but, purely based on what you can see in the film, what would you class it as? Thats more the question.

Bubbaclaus · 07-01-2018 4:54pm

I always saw it as a rape and thought it was clearly such.

yesto24 · 07-01-2018 4:54pm

If I remember correctly from the book he was also drunk. She made the first move.
So yes it was rape, she raped him.

pipelaser · 07-01-2018 4:54pm

pablo128 wrote: »

Tell your English friend it was a film, not real life.

FFS.

Shes aware. It was more a debate.

Barry Badrinath · 07-01-2018 4:59pm

SimpleDimples wrote: »

Of course it's rape.

It was talking advantage of someone too drunk to consent.

I don't see how there's any room for debate at all.

If it isn't consentual, then it's rape.

So, her saying "man" and indicating what she wanted, then putting her arms around his neck and kissing him, leading to banging....is now rape?

She wasnt lying on the ground in a heap and Burges just went over and banged her.

You're very wrong.

Roger Hassenforder · 07-01-2018 5:00pm

Wheety wrote: »

Yup.

Also people tend to forget about the attempted rape in Back to the Future :eek:

We were watching that as a family movie the other night with the kids. Jasis, it looks so very different 30 years later.

Stonedpilot · 07-01-2018 5:00pm

pipelaser wrote: »

https://youtu.be/rRTEvkOHCOg

Have just shown The Snapper to an English friend.

She reffered to the car park Sharon-George Burgess scene as a rape. (See link above)

I never thought about it in that way while watching it down the years.

What do you think?

Sharon raped Georgey as he was drunk?.

kneemos · 07-01-2018 5:00pm

She was mad for a ride if I remember it right.
She gave consent,just made a bad decision like we all do sometimes when drunk.

Don't see how being drunk negates your decision making.

the_pen_turner · 07-01-2018 5:01pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

We were watching that as a family movie the other night with the kids. Jasis, it looks so very different 30 years later.

have you a link to that I cant remember this

snoopy84 · 07-01-2018 5:04pm

Wheety wrote:

Also people tend to forget about the attempted rape in Back to the Future

Yeah
Watched it there over Christmas which could easily have been the 20th time I've watched it, and only just realised how disturbing it was

SimpleDimples · 07-01-2018 5:06pm

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

So, her saying "man" and indicating what she wanted, then putting her arms around his neck and kissing him, leading to banging....is now rape?

She wasnt lying on the ground in a heap and Burges just went over and banged her.

You're very wrong.

She was clearly too drunk to consent to anything.

the_pen_turner · 07-01-2018 5:09pm

but she made the first move
she should be asking his consent.

RobbingBandit · 07-01-2018 5:11pm

Tell your English friend the royal family are nazis if they're going to point out the dark underbelly of what's ours you can do it to what's theirs.

pipelaser · 07-01-2018 5:12pm

SimpleDimples wrote: »

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

So, her saying "man" and indicating what she wanted, then putting her arms around his neck and kissing him, leading to banging....is now rape?

She wasnt lying on the ground in a heap and Burges just went over and banged her.

You're very wrong.

She was clearly too drunk to consent to anything.

I think, as bad as this might sound to/for some people, that it was a borderline case. Given that she said she wanted a man(clearly meaning that she wanted a man, any man, in that moment) and approaching him.

And maybe, as unfair as this sounds, it wouldnt have been classed in peoples conciousness as rape in 1993, where as in 2018 it would be.

Barry Badrinath · 07-01-2018 5:12pm

SimpleDimples wrote: »

She was clearly too drunk to consent to anything.

Thats only your assumption, have a look at the clip again but pay attention. Being drunk does not always equal diminished responsibility.

If thats the case, plenty of women have raped me over the years.

Burgess was walking by her, she turned to him and said "man" and that was that. It was only the regret that hit her afterwards.

kneemos · 07-01-2018 5:17pm

In law being drunk isn't a defence.

Repsulive · 07-01-2018 5:19pm

A friend was teaching English to adults in Sweden. He played this movie in class. One of his students reported him to the principal.

Gwynplaine · 07-01-2018 5:39pm

Maybe they should re release it with that bit edited out, so as not to offend anyone.

pablo128 · 07-01-2018 5:40pm

Gwynplaine wrote: »

Maybe they should re release it with that bit edited out, so as not to offend anyone.

Ah go away. I'd be more offended with her brother puking on top of the dishes in the sink.

keith_sixteen · 07-01-2018 5:41pm

Repsulive wrote: »

A friend was teaching English to adults in Sweden. He played this movie in class. One of his students reported him to the principal.

LOL, I'd report him too if I ended up watching that in an ENGLISH class!!!

Gwynplaine · 07-01-2018 5:41pm

pablo128 wrote: »

Ah go away. I'd be more offended with her brother puking on top of the dishes in the sink.

Eh, I was joking.
Can't say or do anything these days.

pablo128 · 07-01-2018 5:44pm

Gwynplaine wrote: »

Can't say or do anything these days.

That was the point I was making. (Kind of)
As you say you can't look crooked nowadays without offending someone.

Pac1Man · 07-01-2018 5:44pm

So what if it was rape? Plenty of rapey films out there.

Murder, drug taking, drug dealing, people smuggling and animal cruelty too. I even saw someone j-walking in Taxi Driver.

SimpleDimples · 07-01-2018 5:47pm

Would you have sex with a woman under the same circumstances?

TheChizler · 07-01-2018 5:48pm

I always assumed it being rape was a core concept of the film.

pablo128 · 07-01-2018 5:49pm

SimpleDimples wrote: »

Would you have sex with a woman under the same circumstances?

You could ask the same question regarding women seducing drunken men.

But I don't think that suits your agenda, does it?

Pac1Man · 07-01-2018 5:52pm

SimpleDimples wrote: »

Would you have sex with a woman under the same circumstances?

Would I rape someone? Hmm. I'll need some time to think about that.

I don't care who was raped in films though.

gammygils · 07-01-2018 5:56pm

"Is that you you squeakin'?"
"That was A1 - Good Girl Sharon"

SimpleDimples · 07-01-2018 5:57pm

pablo128 wrote: »

You could ask the same question regarding women seducing drunken men.

But I don't think that suits your agenda, does it?

This isn't about men or women specifically - straight, gay, bi etc - consent applies to everyone. I don't have an agenda but do find it distrubing that there are people who would shag someone too drunk to consent.

I also believe in personal responsibility but it's very difficult to even talk about that these days without being accused of victim blaming, which I think are two seperate things, but not everyone agrees.

whomitconcerns · 07-01-2018 6:06pm

Anyone ever see the accused? Won't look at a pinball machine the same afterwards!

Outlaw Pete · 07-01-2018 7:22pm

Dublin Man To Stand Trial For Historic Rape Case.

noodler · 07-01-2018 7:30pm

Tbh, no one in the movie thought it was rape.

The Colm Meany character would have murdered him if that was the case.

I think they could have shot it slightly better so that he was more clearly locked as well.

I thought sing too drunk to consent meant you were not conscience or able to state intentions clearly.

An interesting topic I have to say!

Back to the future now. That was always a bit dodge to me for a pg.

kneemos · 07-01-2018 7:39pm

noodler wrote: »

Tbh, no one in the movie thought it was rape.

The Colm Meany character would have murdered him if that was the case.

I think they could have shot it slightly better so that he was more clearly locked as well.

I thought sing too drunk to consent meant you were not conscience or able to state intentions clearly.

An interesting topic I have to say!

Back to the future now. That was always a bit dodge to me for a pg.

What about Big? She has sex with a minor.

darkdubh · 07-01-2018 7:40pm

Good girl Sharon that was ****ing A-one.

Ralf and Florian · 07-01-2018 7:46pm

Been a few years since I've seen it but don't Sharon and her female friends sexually harrass a teenage barman in the film?

TheChizler · 07-01-2018 7:46pm

noodler wrote: »

Tbh, no one in the movie thought it was rape.

The Colm Meany character would have murdered him if that was the case.

No one else saw what happened, it barely even registered with her. Everyone thought it was a 'regular' affair.

Outlaw Pete · 07-01-2018 7:48pm

Pac1Man wrote: »

So what if it was rape? Plenty of rapey films out there.

Yeah, in comedies also. Like Isla Fisher raping Vince Vaughen in Wedding Crashers.

I'd post the clip but there's boobs in it.

Riddle101 · 07-01-2018 7:51pm

noodler wrote: »

Tbh, no one in the movie thought it was rape.

The Colm Meany character would have murdered him if that was the case.

I think they could have shot it slightly better so that he was more clearly locked as well.

I thought sing too drunk to consent meant you were not conscience or able to state intentions clearly.

An interesting topic I have to say!

Back to the future now. That was always a bit dodge to me for a pg.

He would have castrated him.

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