The Snapper-debate

corner of hells

It would be difficult for the Gardai to investigate though possibly the Met
might try it.

The_Valeyard

I always saw it as they were both fcuk drunk. But he was a creepy old slimey geezer.


Biff Tannon was attemtping to rape though. He was a brutal and devious as his great granddad Buford 'Mad Dog' Tannon.


In Horrible Bosses, Jennifer Aniston constantly tries to sexually assault and rape Charlie Day

Roger Hassenforder

the_pen_turner wrote: »

have you a link to that I cant remember this

as good a version I can find. missing a bit at the start though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzklMXES1BU

Ulysses Gaze

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

as good a version I can find. missing a bit at the start though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzklMXES1BU

I've also seen people debate that it highlights cultural appropriation as it is a white kid (Marty) that "teaches" Chuck Berry the new sound of Rock N'Roll that Berry invented......

Repsulive

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I've also seen people debate that it highlights cultural appropriation as it is a white kid (Marty) that "teaches" Chuck Berry the new sound of Rock N'Roll that Berry invented......

I bet it was nice to live in pre SJW times.

Ulysses Gaze

Repsulive wrote: »

I bet is was nice to live in pre SJW times.

mr_edge_to_you

Personally I think Dessie should’ve gone to the airport to pick up the son when he came home from Lebanon.

Ash.J.Williams

pipelaser wrote: »

https://youtu.be/rRTEvkOHCOg

Have just shown The Snapper to an English friend.

She reffered to the car park Sharon-George Burgess scene as a rape. (See link above)

I never thought about it in that way while watching it down the years.

What do you think?

Yes I went to show it to my nephews and changed my mind because it's way darker than I remembered and she was definitely raped.

SEPT 23 1989

Totally different film if she was raped ffs

Ash.J.Williams

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Totally different film if she was raped ffs

I remember as a kid finding the a1 Sharon thing hilarious but seeing it in my 40s I see it totally as rape.

the_pen_turner

so a mildly drunk woman seeks out a man and initiates sex. consensual sex
this is now leading to him being acused of rape.

its not like she was passed out drunk and a rapist forced him self on her.

it was her idea and see went after it

cursai

Assuming the library version of rape.
If they were both drunk and she grabbed him onto the car. How is he the rapist?

mr_edge_to_you

George Burgess was out of line showing the lads in the pub her knickers.

TheChizler

cursai wrote: »

Assuming the library version of rape.
If they were both drunk and she grabbed him onto the car. How is he the rapist?

Haven't seen it in a while but didn't she kind of nearly pass out on the bonnet after (AFAIR) just kissing him? He's the only one who put any effort into the sex bit.

the_pen_turner

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

George Burgess was out of line showing the lads in the pub her knickers.

I don't think it in question whether or not he was a sleaze ball

cursai

TheChizler wrote: »

Haven't seen it in a while but didn't she kind of nearly pass out on the bonnet after (AFAIR) just kissing him? He's the only one who put any effort into the sex bit.

No she was awake afaik. And he didn't see her pass out, no evidence to assume he did hypothetically.

TheChizler

This is the scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRTEvkOHCOg

It's different to how I remember though, is it edited to make it pg? I remember a fumbling of belts etc.

the_pen_turner

very awake when she is asking if he is squeeking . very sober in fact. fully aware of what is happening .

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

pipelaser wrote: »

https://youtu.be/rRTEvkOHCOg

Have just shown The Snapper to an English friend.

She reffered to the car park Sharon-George Burgess scene as a rape. (See link above)

I never thought about it in that way while watching it down the years.

What do you think?

Impossible to say because the camera doesn't show if she's conscious or not during the penetrative sex act. If she isn't it's rape. If she's conscious, she has instigated the encounter (not a definitive yes or no, but definitely going to harm the prosecution). The "who the **** was tha'?" line would imply probably not.

The best way of judging consent in a case like that is to consider the girl passing out as a revoking of consent and stop.

annascott

Today it is classed as rape because she was so drunk. At the time, it was just someone taking a chance with a drunk person. She did not object so fair game. He is still a despicable person but not a rapist.

cursai

You'd have to be soft in the head and in need of a good kick in the head to redefine that as rape.
Soft touches walking down the road to the shop falling over cracks in the council pavement. Getting assaulted by passing people's elbows, sexually harrassed by local teenagers dirty minds and being forced into poverty by the local supermarket.

cursai

annascott wrote: »

Today it is classed as rape because she was so drunk. At the time, it was just someone taking a chance with a drunk person. She did not object so fair game. He is still a despicable person but not a rapist.

He was drunk too. And she grabbed him....

Barry Badrinath

The camerman was a voyeur pervert!

He did nothing to stop it so he should be charged with assisted rape and conspiracy to fourball.

kneemos

annascott wrote: »

Today it is classed as rape because she was so drunk. At the time, it was just someone taking a chance with a drunk person. She did not object so fair game. He is still a despicable person but not a rapist.

What were the changes in law between then and now?

cursai

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

The camerman was a voyeur pervert!

He did nothing to stop it so he should be charged with assisted rape.

The producer set up the whole sick event. ****ing film should be renamed The Raper. Re-release it in black and white and have an ominous soundtrack added to please the flowers.

bertsmom

Few years since I have watched it but I always remember it as Sharon being woeful drunk and initiating the sex and afterwards having major regrets. but Burgess being a despicable sleaze bag and going through with the sex knowing full well she only had sex with him because she was drunk. A decent human would have told her to cop on and not be so foolish.
I believe he definitely took advantage of the situation but not rape in my view.
I do also remember a scene where Sharon and her friends are harassing a young lounge boy and in today's world that would also be extremely questionable (and rightly so!)

Barry Badrinath

cursai wrote: »

The producer set up the whole sick event. ****ing film should be renamed The Raper. Re-release it in black and white and have an ominous soundtrack added to please the flowers.

I think this was the 'casting bonnet' audition.

SuperSean11

Sharon practically raped him and him being a decent gentleman even offered to look after her and the baby. Some heroes don’t wear capes

It's hardly rape. She initiated it and didn't tell him to stop. Consent was given and not withdrawn. It's an indication of 'poor' judgment for both parties but not rape.

clfy39tzve8njq

pipelaser wrote:

She reffered to the car park Sharon-George Burgess scene as a rape. (See link above)

Don't show her Love Hate

Ash.J.Williams

the_pen_turner wrote: »

so a mildly drunk woman seeks out a man and initiates sex. consensual sex
this is now leading to him being acused of rape.

its not like she was passed out drunk and a rapist forced him self on her.

it was her idea and see went after it

yes but i guess what is being asked is if hypothetically that exact opportunity arose for you would you go with it? or would you think it's ok for one of your mates?

For me it's a case of feeling old or maybe I'm beginning to get sense but it was funny when i saw it as a kid and everyone was quoting the "a1 shardon" and "are ya all right Shardon " and it was funny...but watching it now the context has changed and it's quite dark.

the_pen_turner

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

yes but i guess what is being asked is if hypothetically that exact opportunity arose for you would you go with it? or would you think it's ok for one of your mates?

For me it's a case of feeling old or maybe I'm beginning to get sense but it was funny when i saw it as a kid and everyone was quoting the "a1 shardon" and "are ya all right Shardon " and it was funny...but watching it now the context has changed and it's quite dark.

if I was a dirty old man who was had u for it and some half drunk horny woman threw herself at me I don't see any reason no to look a gift horse in the mouth

now if it was me now I wouldn't but not for any kind of rape allegation reasons. it would be more to her not being my type or not liking half drunk women. personally I would rather be with a sober woman

I wouldn't hold my mates responsible if they availed of the offer but they would probably be the but of the joke for a while .


for what its worth I know a guy that still says its A1 Sharon

cursai

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

yes but i guess what is being asked is if hypothetically that exact opportunity arose for you would you go with it? or would you think it's ok for one of your mates?

For me it's a case of feeling old or maybe I'm beginning to get sense but it was funny when i saw it as a kid and everyone was quoting the "a1 shardon" and "are ya all right Shardon " and it was funny...but watching it now the context has changed and it's quite dark.

The context only changed for people who are overly influenced by media. Most people have the same common decency as always to realise it's not rape but drunken ugly sex. Only slightly more hideous than most of us have, in a David Attenborough sense.

cursai

It'll soon get to the point where myself and the partner whilst walking home drunk on a sat night, will be warned by a passing squad car, to not be raping each other when we get home.

the_pen_turner

cursai wrote: »

It'll soon get to the point where myself and the partner whilst walking home drunk on a sat night, will be warned by a passing squad car, to not be raping each other when we get home.

probably get arrested soon just for thinking about having sex with the wrong person

the_pen_turner

the_pen_turner wrote: »

probably get arrested soon just for thinking about having sex with the wrong person

You'll be arrested long before then by looking at a woman since she didn't give consent for you to be looking at her in that manner (the manner being decided by her, of course).

BattleCorp

Never ever thought it was rape and I still don't.

In the film she seemed like she wanted a man, any man.

Bad judgement but hey, that's drink for ya.

mzungu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9dNTrJCLwI

justfillmein

that scene never set right with me, even years ago.

whether it's classed as actual rape or not, it turns my stomach thinking of that film.
even if someone jokes with the 'are ya all rite Sharon' line, I just can't...

Snowfire

That was A1, good girl Sharon...

LadyMacBeth_

I've never watched the film but I watched the clip. I think she was quite drunk and she initiated having sex with him, I'm not sure if he was drunk as well? If that was the case then it certainly isn't rape. If he was sober then I still don't think it was rape but I do think it was taking advantage of a drunk woman, I can see why someone would take her up on her offer but it's bad form really when someone is so drunk and you are sober. The "A1 Sharon, good girl" bit made my skin crawl.

the_pen_turner

just remembered a funny story from school
we watched the snapper that year and It went viral in the school (or what ever the 20 year ago version was) .
one of the guys in class was always quoting it in other classes , just mild ones mostly.
he said one to one of the soundest youngest teachers and we all had a laugh. that evening we were queuing up for the bus . the teacher must have planed it or it was a stroke of timing but as he drove out the student walked across to the bus. he rolled down the window and roared out GET OUT OF ME WAY YA BLEEDIN BOLLIX.
the hole area burst into laughter. brilliant.

Arghus

the_pen_turner wrote: »

very awake when she is asking if he is squeeking . very sober in fact. fully aware of what is happening .

Hmmm, I dunno about that.

Being conscious of a squeaking noise does not equal cold sobriety, especially if a few minutes earlier she couldn't tell the difference between any man shaped shape and any other.

I don't think it's rape. It's morally murky and fairly sleazy but it isn't rape

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

I'd love to see some people's idea of bladdered drunk if that staggering, slurring woman who asks "who was that?" about the family friend she's just had sex with is mildly tipsy or half drunk.

AFAIR it's much more rapey in the book but it's been a while.

pgj2015

disgusting thing for any man to do to a drunk woman but even worse as a young woman would be very unlikely to go for an old creep like burgess, if sharon was my daughter or sister, burgess would be getting a serious hiding.

the_pen_turner

Arghus wrote: »

Hmmm, I dunno about that.

Being conscious of a squeaking noise does not equal cold sobriety, especially if a few minutes earlier she couldn't tell the difference between any man shaped shape and any other.

I don't think it's rape. It's morally murky and fairly sleazy but it isn't rape

obviously not cold sober but not that drunk. IMO
she recognised the man its just that any man would do

there is a difference between noticing a noise near you and asking if the guy on top of you is squeaking. its obvious she knows at the time what he is doing and what she got him to do

Ralf and Florian

BTW has anyone mentioned that Mr Burgess is also Pat Mustard in Fr Ted? "I'm a very careful man".

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

BTW has anyone mentioned that Mr Burgess is also Pat Mustard in Fr Ted? "I'm a very careful man".

That's who it is! Thanks that was annoying me.

Arghus

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

BTW has anyone mentioned that Mr Burgess is also Pat Mustard in Fr Ted? "I'm a very careful man".

Luckily for him there was a gap during the 90's in the Irish casting market for Middle Aged Hirsute Sex-Pest.

pgj2015

pgj2015 wrote: »

but even worse as a young woman would be very unlikely to go for an old creep like burgess,

I suspect We have all ended up with people we wouldn't normally go for... both while drunk and sober. I know I would rather forget a few memories of women I discovered or remembered the 'following' morning... :rolleyes:

Frankly... I find it annoying that people can't take responsibility for their own choices. If I'm drunk and do something terrible... I'm responsible as a man. Being drunk is a factor, but I'm still responsible for what happens. If a woman does the same, then there's all manner of excuses being thrown out in her 'defense'.