Coast Guard Banned from Beamount

AndrewJRenko

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Yes.
Because reading the report highlights the fact that the medical experts wanted to be close to the city centre, and that trumps patients and relatives requirements.

Where exactly in the report does it prioritise 'city centre' as a primary criteria?

PhoenixParker

markpb wrote: »

That says a lot about why it takes so long to get anything done in this country. Everyone has an opinion but they mistake it for fact. the report said that making JC a national hospital would result in a lower quality of medical care (for reasons they spell out). Your parking would be easier but your mum would be less likely to recover. Which is more important?

Parking probably wouldn't be easier.
I'm mystified by this idea that Connolly is somehow a readily accessible site as though proximity to the M50 confers on it some magical fast travel abilities.

Access to and from the M50 from Connolly is awkward. The N3 junction itself is a traffic nightmare for long portions of the day. If you want to leave Connolly and travel southbound it's particularly nasty. The m50 itself is a horror show of a traffic blackspot. Any snarl up on the M50 also snarls up the junction at the N3 making east/west traffic a problem. It's also a single key junction that affects all access routes with no redundancy. It's not like James's where you can use the n4 or the n7.

Public transport is also useless to the hospital. There's no train or tram and no plans for either. If you don't drive you're screwed. Buses at 80people/bus wo t do the job and it's not in a spot that would justify routes from around and across the city & country stopping en route.

Hospitals need to cater for ambulances and helicopters but they have multiples more journeys from staff, out patients and visitors. Public transport is vital and Connolly doesn't have it.

As for parking, people vastly underestimate how much land it takes up and how difficult it is to provide adequate parking within a convenient distance for large numbers of people. It's not click your fingers and tarmac a few fields. Look at Dublin airport and see how much land it really takes up, and you still end up with time spent to find spaces and long walks to the door. If you're going to go multi story then better to do it somewhere that has better facilities.

The Mater and James are both decent sites. Driving travel times to James are very similar to those to Connolly from almost any point in the country but with decent links.

Better to cpo land around good sites then to yet again bodge it because you happen to own the land.

Odyssey 2005

A hospital built on a greenfield site anywhere (within reason)would have been a better option than Jamses. They are shoehorning in a vital piece of infrastructure for political reasons. There is no future proofing here. There is no room for expansion etc...

AndrewJRenko

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

A hospital built on a greenfield site anywhere (within reason)would have been a better option than Jamses. They are shoehorning in a vital piece of infrastructure for political reasons. There is no future proofing here. There is no room for expansion etc...

And again presumably, you feel that you have a better understanding of these issues than the esteemed members of the Dolphin committee?

Dr Frank Dolphin (chair)
Mr Simon Clear
Mr Michael Collins
Professor Jonathan Hourihane
Professor B.G. Loftus
Mr John Martin
Professor Clodagh O’Gorman
Ms Louise Shepherd
Professor Owen Smith

Odyssey 2005

You don't have to be esteemed,a doctor or a professor to have common sense, anyway this is taking us away from the original post.

AndrewJRenko

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

You don't have to be esteemed,a doctor or a professor to have common sense, anyway this is taking us away from the original post.

And yet, I find in my job that 'common sense' comes a poor second to specific professional expertise. Do you find that in your job, or can anyone who comes in off the street with 'common sense' do your job as well as you?

Billgirlylegs

Those same “professional” experts have a stellar track record in treating patients and building hospitals.
Waiting lists, trolley crisis, NMH St Vincents to mention issues they demonstrated expertise in
Was the James Street site where their expertise pointed them first ?
In practice our”experts” have proven to be lousy at infrastructure.
This is more of the same.

Have tHey already got into trouble over the name of the place

PhoenixParker

Billgirlylegs wrote: »

Those same “professional” experts have a stellar track record in treating patients and building hospitals.
Waiting lists, trolley crisis, NMH St Vincents to mention issues they demonstrated expertise in
Was the James Street site where their expertise pointed them first ?
In practice our”experts” have proven to be lousy at infrastructure.
This is more of the same.

Have tHey already got into trouble over the name of the place

Very different areas of expertise you're talking about.

Our politicians and nimby attitudes have proven to be lousy with infrastructure. Maybe we should try listening to the experts, not the guy who once dropped his mom to the hospital.

Ben D Bus

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Very different areas of expertise you're talking about.

Our politicians and nimby attitudes have proven to be lousy with infrastructure. Maybe we should try listening to the experts, not the guy who once dropped his mom to the hospital.

Exactly. It's political interference prompted by constituents (sometimes true, sometimes conceptual) anecdotes that is at the root of many of our infrastructure issues.

AndrewJRenko

Billgirlylegs wrote: »

Those same “professional” experts have a stellar track record in treating patients and building hospitals.
Waiting lists, trolley crisis, NMH St Vincents to mention issues they demonstrated expertise in
Was the James Street site where their expertise pointed them first ?
In practice our”experts” have proven to be lousy at infrastructure.
This is more of the same.

Have tHey already got into trouble over the name of the place

You seem to be a bit confused between political/policy decisions and healthcare management decisions.

I guess that if only patients would get sick on schedule and budget, the health service would work so much better.