Influencers over-editing photos in Social Media/Cyber-bullying accusations

Caranica

December2012 wrote: »

Is the Fit Fam Failures insta page gone too? Was it connected with BU?

Went a few days after BU

Faith

December2012 wrote: »

Is the Fit Fam Failures insta page gone too? Was it connected with BU?

There was no indication that it was connected, but it did disappear right after BU did (sorry, after a post saying they couldn’t be scared off that easily...). Either the owner got freaked out that they’d be identified, or it may have been linked to BU somehow.

GingerLily

Faith wrote: »

There was no indication that it was connected, but it did disappear right after BU did (sorry, after a post saying they couldn’t be scared off that easily...). Either the owner got freaked out that they’d be identified, or it may have been linked to BU somehow.

I don't think they were linked but probably kept in touch and then got freaked about BU, the papers did report on the death threats etc.

Pure speculation!

blairbear

Trigger Happy wrote: »

She is saying she wont engage with any men via DM unless they donate via patron!
Someone has to pay for that lifestyle.

She is actually just responding to men who slide into her DMs, with unsolicited messages, with a link to donate. She doesn't have to respond to anyone at all and they often send nasty messages so she may as well experiment a bit or have a laugh out of it.

Carriexx

So she'll talk if you pay her........uuummm

c.p.w.g.w

Carriexx wrote: »

So she'll talk if you pay her........uuummm

Oldest profession sure

RhubarbCrumble

Did anyone watch RMC's Instagram stories this morning? Basically she got up really early so she could be in work early and then discovered that "Two Pups" doesn't open until 8am so was forced to get a coffee elsewhere which apparently just wasn't the same. She had to wait for "Two Pups" to open so that she could get her coffee and granola and didn't get into work any earlier anyway!

Am I the only one thinking WTAF here? No wonder most of her spending diary is made up of food! I can honestly say I don't know one single person who has breakfast out pretty much every single morning.

GingerLily

RhubarbCrumble wrote: »

Did anyone watch RMC's Instagram stories this morning? Basically she got up really early so she could be in work early and then discovered that "Two Pups" doesn't open until 8am so was forced to get a coffee elsewhere which apparently just wasn't the same. She had to wait for "Two Pups" to open so that she could get her coffee and granola and didn't get into work any earlier anyway!

Am I the only one thinking WTAF here? No wonder most of her spending diary is made up of food! I can honestly say I don't know one single person who has breakfast out pretty much every single morning.

I eat breakfast in work - brown bread and eggs for a euro - not expensive.

I don't understand how anyone can afford the artisan porridges every day - it's actual madness.

I'm actually a fan of people donating and giving to patreon, for projects they support. I just couldn't support a blog about over priced coffee!

pc7

Seen this in the YLYL thread, very apt for some of the filters and photoshopping we see

Muahahaha

Theres a full page article about RMC in the current edition of the Phoenix. Says she told the journalist her standard rate for an Instagram post is 500 euro and that she once made 3,000 euro for a single gig. Goes on to say that she has positioned her personal brand to be a straight talker and an influencer for people who dont trust or even hate other influencers.

Article also states that the Advertising Standards Authority have seen complaints about bloggers rise ten fold in the last year.

Suckit

Muahahaha wrote: »

Theres a full page article about RMC in the current edition of the Phoenix. Says she told the journalist her standard rate for an Instagram post is 500 euro and that she once made 3,000 euro for a single gig. Goes on to say that she has positioned her personal brand to be a straight talker and an influencer for people who dont trust or even hate other influencers.

Article also states that the Advertising Standards Authority have seen complaints about bloggers rise ten fold in the last year.

And they will continue to do nothing about it..

RhubarbCrumble

Oh she's actually unreal. She's just been on now posting that she has a book club but you must be a patreon in order to join and patreons only will be granted access to her exclusive spending diary!

soiseztomabel

RhubarbCrumble wrote: »

Oh she's actually unreal. She's just been on now posting that she has a book club but you must be a patreon in order to join and patreons only will be granted access to her exclusive spending diary!

Called it a while ago, throw **** at the wall and put the most popular **** behind a payway... savvy

BettePorter

Rmc is such a conundrum. I find so many insta ppl so unlikeable. But I really wanna like her. She has done my head in in the past with her propensity to join every victim hood that exists at the time but I've stuck with her this long. I think she's probably a lovely sincere person .... A good and loyal friend I'd imagine....but my god she's making it hard of late. How can u possibly order food in / eat food out that often. And then have the nerve to ask ppl to pay for watching u order it!!! Buy a flippin loaf of bread once in a while and make toast. Nobody cares if u eat out /smoke/get a taxi .... but asking ppl to pay for it is no better than what the fake / photoshopping/ non declaring bloggers do.

SozBbz

RMC has now stated that some of her spending diaries going forward are going to be for patreons only.

I will still not be signing up.

I actually don't get the point of these anymore, the first few were interesting, and the idea of keeping a diary so that you're conscious of what your outgoings are and to perhaps make changes, but its so past that now.

Its the same every week, there is no conscious spending going on whatsoever, and no changes being made. Whats the point now?

Pistachios & cream

SozBbz wrote: »

RMC has now stated that some of her spending diaries going forward are going to be for patreons only.

I will still not be signing up.

I actually don't get the point of these anymore, the first few were interesting, and the idea of keeping a diary so that you're conscious of what your outgoings are and to perhaps make changes, but its so past that now.

Its the same every week, there is no conscious spending going on whatsoever, and no changes being made. Whats the point now?

Me either. One of the blogs i follow does a weekly spending diary that i love. However that woman is a Boss. she has a really good job and her diary often talks in general about her work life and the struggles she faces some times.

It's also really interesting seeing her philosophy on money, for example preferring to live in a 2 bed apartment with her partner and child that they paid for in cash rather than in a huge house with a mortgage. However shes far from a skinflint and spends lots of money on whats important to her (food and fashion!)

That is a diary that i learn something from compared to rosemary's which i could probably write for her at this stage so i while i wold happily pay for the other blogers spending diaries i won't be supporting rosemarys.

mrsdewinter

SozBbz wrote: »

RMC has now stated that some of her spending diaries going forward are going to be for patreons only.

I will still not be signing up.

I actually don't get the point of these anymore, the first few were interesting, and the idea of keeping a diary so that you're conscious of what your outgoings are and to perhaps make changes, but its so past that now.

Its the same every week, there is no conscious spending going on whatsoever, and no changes being made. Whats the point now?

You're kidding - Patreon only? I mean, the spending diaries probably do get a lot of traffic but only because people are fascinated by how other people manage their money (I devour those 'how I spend it' stories in the broadsheets). I just can't see anybody paying to read 'ordered in from Boojum'.

I do think there's a lot to be learned by people being more transparent about money, seeing how other people manage at the end of the month, before payday. Look at Jack Monroe - not only is she a great cook but she is obviously also a fantastic manager of resources.
Reading RMC's spending diaries, I was really tempted to give her my recipe for broccoli pasta but I couldn't think of a way of framing it without it sounding patronising or hopelessly deluded about my own skills as a manager of resources.

SozBbz

Yep, one in every four will be patreon only.

I just don't get it.

As you say, they're absolute clickbait, but beyond that...... not so sure what she's bringing to the party.

She's actually non stop eating at the same places, namely 2 Pups, The Fumbally, Boojum, Boco and Bombay Pantry. Now I like all these places, but like....not every day.

I love having breakfast out at the weekend, but probably only one morning. During the week I have porridge/overnight oats, not only for my bank balance and my waistline, but also who has time for all this faffing about before work! I'd rather stay in bed!

SusieBlue

I'd love to know how she maintains her weight while eating out at least twice a day, every day, if not more.

I would eat the way she does while I'm on holiday once a year and usually gain at least 5-7lb over the course of a week or two, purely from not cooking myself and eating indulgently.

I would be the size of a small house if I ate out as much as she does. It isn't even about financials, because even if I could afford to live the way she does, I'd feel ill and sluggish from all the heavy meals. It just all sounds so unhealthy.

Suckit

Sore head. Drunk post deleted. Ouch. *

SozBbz

Not to bring this to a bitchy place, because her weight is her business, but I don't think she is maintaining her weight. I'm pretty sure she's put weight on over the past few months. She's definitely nowhere near the size she was a few years back when she was eating steak and brocoli for breakfast and telling everyone how great it was and how sutsainable

She's addressed this briefly in her stories, but typically says something along the lines of how sometimes you need to eat food that nourishes the mind, not only the body. Fine in principle - but your mind isnt going to feel too fantastic attached to a sluggish body being asked to process far too much rich food.

I could afford her lifestyle, but I wouldn't want to. I know I'd be 2 stone heavier at a minimum, and I also think my money could be better spent, like on holidays and designer handbags and changing my car every 3 years. Its all about priorities.

meeeeh

SozBbz wrote: »

I could afford her lifestyle, but I wouldn't want to. I know I'd be 2 stone heavier at a minimum, and I also think my money could be better spent, like on holidays and designer handbags and changing my car every 3 years. Its all about priorities.

Hehehe no offense but that is such an Irish tiger statement.

Sittingpretty

mrsdewinter wrote: »

You're kidding - Patreon only? I mean, the spending diaries probably do get a lot of traffic but only because people are fascinated by how other people manage their money (I devour those 'how I spend it' stories in the broadsheets). I just can't see anybody paying to read 'ordered in from Boojum'.

I do think there's a lot to be learned by people being more transparent about money, seeing how other people manage at the end of the month, before payday. Look at Jack Monroe - not only is she a great cook but she is obviously also a fantastic manager of resources.
Reading RMC's spending diaries, I was really tempted to give her my recipe for broccoli pasta but I couldn't think of a way of framing it without it sounding patronising or hopelessly deluded about my own skills as a manager of resources.

I’d like your recipe! 🙂

SozBbz

meeeeh wrote: »

Hehehe no offense but that is such an Irish tiger statement.

Oh I know it is - like who am i to say that the way I spend my money is better, its arguably all wasteful, but at least I have something to show for my spending, plus I'm not trying to charge people $1 per month to hear all about it!

silvervixen84

mod: Not aimed at any poster in particular but just a gentle reminder about this part of the charter:

Personal abuse towards those in the social media/blogging industry will not be tolerated. Although they have put themselves in the public eye, criticisms should be directed towards their skills and the content they present, rather than their personal appearance. Such criticisms should be made in a civil way and personal abuse will not be tolerated.

wyrn

Faces by Grace has had a complaint upheld against her by the ASAI. She didn't #sp her recent work with Boots. Boots have said they provided a briefing document which included the detail for the promotion, a request for the inclusion of #sp or #ad on posts and a link to the ASAI guidelines.

MuffinTop86

Is it enough for them to write ad but not use the hashtag? I’ve seen it a good bit lately,writing as (ad) or AD?
I would have thought the hashtag was so it would show up in a search.

Call me a cynic but would this whole patreon malarkey be due to the fact that she isn’t getting as many clicks to this diary as she had hoped? Y’know, create a bit of talk about it, it’s all publicity afterall.

Btw, I’ve never looked at a spending diary as it doesn’t appeal to me.

Sunny Dayz

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Call me a cynic but would this whole patreon malarkey be due to the fact that she isn’t getting as many clicks to this diary as she had hoped? Y’know, create a bit of talk about it, it’s all publicity afterall.

Btw, I’ve never looked at a spending diary as it doesn’t appeal to me.

I would have thought it was the opposite. I'd imagine her spending diary (and it's discussion here) has driven more traffic to her site, even just for a nose to see what she's spending. So what better way to capitalise on it's popularity than putting it behind a paywall.

GingerLily

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

I would have thought it was the opposite. I'd imagine her spending diary (and it's discussion here) has driven more traffic to her site, even just for a nose to see what she's spending. So what better way to capitalise on it's popularity than putting it behind a paywall.

I can see why she did it. People that don't like her really hate the spending diary, so why not make it available to just actual fans/supporters.

They're the ones paying her so at least her transparency is with them.

I don't read her spending diaries though, I've had the same dinner three nights in a row (a vegan one as well) in order to save money.

I'd be MUCH more interested in a thrifty spend diary, I know how to spend, it's saving that's the issue.

RhubarbCrumble

I can't see what's going to be any different in the 'exclusive' patreon spending diary. They're all the exact same and completely predictable at this stage. Every month is pretty much 500 on food and that's about the extent of it.

meeeeh

How much is she charging for the access? Currently my subscriptions to Irish Times and The Times come to about 10 Euro each per month (something like that) for access to all their content. To pay for one nonsense blog full of made up spending to include pay links to restaurants, delivery services or clothing seems seriously poor value to me whatever the price is. who would pay for that?

pc7

Has she many paying on Patreon now? Her link seems broken. Is the 'friend' in the diary her partner or just random friends?

soiseztomabel

pc7 wrote: »

Has she many paying on Patreon now? Her link seems broken. Is the 'friend' in the diary her partner or just random friends?

It's her dogs new daddy ?

pc7

ah right, at least she's keeping him private, diary makes more sense now.

SozBbz

meeeeh wrote: »

How much is she charging for the access? Currently my subscriptions to Irish Times and The Times come to about 10 Euro each per month (something like that) for access to all their content. To pay for one nonsense blog full of made up spending to include pay links to restaurants, delivery services or clothing seems seriously poor value to me whatever the price is. who would pay for that?

AFAIK Patreon works from $1 per month, but if you wanted to increase that amount, you can.

I totally agree. The only thing I pay a subscription for over and above the norm (ie, phone, tv) is my iCloud subscription which coincidentally is also $1 per month. This allows me to back up my phone which I couldn't do without. The alternative is replacing a very old laptop for a few hundred €€€ just so I have somewhere local to back it up but I've no other use for a personal laptop these days, and also iCloud is more secure.

RMC in comparison, seems like bad value for money.

ArthurG

Out of curiosity I took at look at the spending diaries referred to here. The mind boggles. I cannot believe one individual can spend so much money on food, seemingly partly funded through anonymous donations (which i’m sure are declared to Revenue....)

Between me and my other half we have a household income of over €150k pa and i know we are very lucky. Yet we go food shopping every weekend, plan out our weekly meals which I cook when I get home. We probably get a takeaway or go out to eat once a week. I’m clearly not living life to the fullest or these bloggers are magicing cash out of thin air!

Carriexx

RhubarbCrumble wrote:

Oh she's actually unreal. She's just been on now posting that she has a book club but you must be a patreon in order to join and patreons only will be granted access to her exclusive spending diary!

Ridiculous. I haven't watched her in months.

RhubarbCrumble

soiseztomabel wrote: »

It's her dogs new daddy

:D:D

erica74

Does anyone else think it's really bizarre that a blogger wouldn't make it known that they're working with Boots? What I mean is, if I was a relative nobody like Faces by Grace, I'd be delighted to publicise a partnership like that. Boots are a huge brand and, they may now think twice about partnering with her again. I just think it would really show people how well she's doing and how successful she's becoming.

Pistachios & cream

erica74 wrote: »

Does anyone else think it's really bizarre that a blogger wouldn't make it known that they're working with Boots? What I mean is, if I was a relative nobody like Faces by Grace, I'd be delighted to publicise a partnership like that. Boots are a huge brand and, they may now think twice about partnering with her again. I just think it would really show people how well she's doing and how successful she's becoming.

In this case I do think it was an oversight. I think she had 7 snaps in a row and 6 of them were #ad. However grace is known for not declaring partnerships in general and has been warned by the ASAI previously.

I just think there’s so much gray area there. If they are given. Product for free then they don’t have to declare it and here is where I’ve a real issue with grace. Most bloggers let you know if it was gifted, even in a roundabout way. But grace seems to try and make it out that she bought it herself. I honestly don’t believe she buys anything herself

GingerLily

erica74 wrote: »

Does anyone else think it's really bizarre that a blogger wouldn't make it known that they're working with Boots? What I mean is, if I was a relative nobody like Faces by Grace, I'd be delighted to publicise a partnership like that. Boots are a huge brand and, they may now think twice about partnering with her again. I just think it would really show people how well she's doing and how successful she's becoming.

I wouldn't have called FBG a relative nobody, I don't follow her but she seems to have a large following.

Sunny Dayz

ahayes84 wrote: »

In this case I do think it was an oversight. I think she had 7 snaps in a row and 6 of them were #ad. However grace is known for not declaring partnerships in general and has been warned by the ASAI previously.

But there shouldn't have been an oversight. She is, for want of a better word, a "professional blogger". Declarations of #ad or #sp shouldn't really be something she should be "forgetting" with her apparent experience in the area. Furthermore the fact that she has been brought to attention for this before, the fact that there is much discussion and focus on ad declarations in the blogging and influencing industry and also the fact that she was getting to work with such a big and well known company she should have been double checking and triple checking that all was in order.


From reading the publication by the ASAI it leads people to believe that with much guidance and hand holding, she still can't do her job properly.

Pistachios & cream

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

But there shouldn't have been an oversight. She is, for want of a better word, a "professional blogger". Declarations of #ad or #sp shouldn't really be something she should be "forgetting" with her apparent experience in the area. Furthermore the fact that she has been brought to attention for this before, the fact that there is much discussion and focus on ad declarations in the blogging and influencing industry and also the fact that she was getting to work with such a big and well known company she should have been double checking and triple checking that all was in order.


From reading the publication by the ASAI it leads people to believe that with much guidance and hand holding, she still can't do her job properly.

Oh i agree with you i was just responing to the poster who thought bloggers would want to be associated with a brand like boots.

wyrn

erica74 wrote: »

Does anyone else think it's really bizarre that a blogger wouldn't make it known that they're working with Boots? What I mean is, if I was a relative nobody like Faces by Grace, I'd be delighted to publicise a partnership like that. Boots are a huge brand and, they may now think twice about partnering with her again. I just think it would really show people how well she's doing and how successful she's becoming.

I say Boots are kicking themselves for picking her. I remember seeing their sponsored ad on FB with FBG and pretty much most of the comments were asking about her brand loyalty for Meaghers.



Between this and Rob Kenny, I bet they'll do more research on bloggers before sponsoring one again.

SozBbz

erica74 wrote: »

Does anyone else think it's really bizarre that a blogger wouldn't make it known that they're working with Boots? What I mean is, if I was a relative nobody like Faces by Grace, I'd be delighted to publicise a partnership like that. Boots are a huge brand and, they may now think twice about partnering with her again. I just think it would really show people how well she's doing and how successful she's becoming.

No not at all - how it works is this. Bloggers all know that if something is labeled #SP or similar that people tend to click through = lower engagement score. The reason they leave it out is in the hope that people engage at the same rate as free content. They can then take these statistics to show their "reach" which is how bloggers get selected for future campaigns.

Its all about the impressions.

Birdsong

Can some one clarify, if a blogger/ influencer recieves a gift, are they supposed to have #gift . I have been following Lisa lust list on Instagram, and to me it looks like she's getting lots of freebies but not a #gift in sight. The ood brand ambassador maybe.

witchgirl26

Birdsong wrote: »

Can some one clarify, if a blogger/ influencer recieves a gift, are they supposed to have #gift . I have been following Lisa lust list on Instagram, and to me it looks like she's getting lots of freebies but not a #gift in sight. The ood brand ambassador maybe.

My understanding is that if it’s unsolicited press release mail or gift they don’t have to. But they also don’t have to show it. I think the #’s only come into play if the blogger/influencer is receiving some form of payment in return for specific content being created for the brand.

Suckit

I would have thought that if it is a gift from a company, then it would be considered a form of payment and therefore should have #ad at the very least.

No mention of #gift here
https://www.asai.ie/press-releases/advertising-standards-authority-for-ireland-calls-on-bloggers-and-influencers-to-fully-declare-marketing-communications/

But it is mentioned here http://www.mcsaatchipr.com/influencer_marketing_regulations/

The ASA consider influencer content advertising if it fits a two part test:

Payment or payment in kind (for example, gifting or a reciprocal arrangement) is received by the influencer
The brand has control of the message

The ad disclosure must be clearly visible; for example, not hidden in truncated text on an Instagram post. You should not label an advertisement with #sp or #spon as people don’t understand that label.

witchgirl26

I would have thought that if it is a gift from a company, then it would be considered a form of payment and therefore should have #ad at the very least.

No mention of #gift here
https://www.asai.ie/press-releases/a...ommunications/

But it is mentioned here http://www.mcsaatchipr.com/influence...g_regulations/

Quote:
The ASA consider influencer content advertising if it fits a two part test:

Payment or payment in kind (for example, gifting or a reciprocal arrangement) is received by the influencer
The brand has control of the message

The ad disclosure must be clearly visible; for example, not hidden in truncated text on an Instagram post. You should not label an advertisement with #sp or #spon as people don’t understand that label.

That just mentions where gifts are received as part of a reciprocal arrangement and the brand has control of the message. If they are received through PR send outs, then the brand doesn't have control of the message so I wouldn't think that they have to # them at all. They could #gift to be fully upfront about it if it isn't obvious.