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Mind game - The Ship of Theseus

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  • #52
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    mariaalice wrote: »
    My daughter partner who works in IT is convinced that fairly soon AI will be so good that when you phone a bank or utility provider customers will be put through to an AI computer but it will so good the customer will think they are talking to a person.

    It's like talking to a robot now anyway when you get an Indian or Filipino call centre.


  • #53
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Grayson wrote: »
    But if most of it had been replaced over a period 1000 years and what we have now is the product of that, you'd still refer to it as the book of kells.

    Wittgenstein said that all philosophical problems are just a problem of language. I don't agree with that but i do think it affects some metaphysical problems like this.

    It's not what the boat is, it's whether we can refer to the boat as the same boat.

    Think of it this way, if the boat had been in the ownership of a family and every 40 years it passed from one generation to another then the current owner could honestly say that a member of his family had been captain of this boat for 5 generations. However if the change had happened overnight then the guy would say someone had replaced the boat.

    The difference is perspective and how we apply our perspective to objects.

    If its replaced it's replaced, whether over 20 years or 2000 years. People could knock out 2000000 copies of the book of Kells or reproduce a boat to the exact specifications with the exact same materials. Wouldn't make it the same book or boat. Its not perspective. It has literally been replaced.


  • #54
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,309 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    It's really all down to the subjective. Memory and familiarity and ongoing attachment also play a part. For example, would the only real Chelsea team be the one that lined up for the first game in 1905? Over time the players changed but the fan attachment remained, due to the new players over becoming familiar over time. As long as fans believe it to be Chelsea, it's Chelsea. However, if you put out eleven unknowns onto the pitch next Saturday and called them Chelsea, then you may have a problem. Same with the ship, if you replaced it all in one fell swoop then it may dawn on the captain that something is different.

    While the ship may not be the same, likewise with a team, the attachment to it remains and creates the continuity. Hence why it won't matter to the captain/fans over time when things change gradually. It's neither the same ship/team, nor is it a completely new one, but rather in a state of flux.


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