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Kia Niro EV
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I think we all know what your next car will be DrPhilG
I dunno, but I'm getting less and less keen on the Kona. Looks really small in reviews. Although deliveries are starting this week and next so hopefully there will be more and one of the dealers up north should have one to see in the flesh (one of their staff is buying one).
I just fear that the Niro will be too expensive.
The elusive 60kwh Leaf might actually turn out to be a good car when it arrives but that's a long way off, plus it will definitely be post Brexit.0 -
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Well Bjorn is in Korea and the reviews should start over the next few days.
He posted some pictures already, confirming what we expected in that the car is much bigger inside than the Kona. Also the driver's seat has memory! That's a big plus for me as a man married to a short arse.
It's not the top spec he has but close although hopefully he'll be able to confirm what is missing from the version he'll be driving.
Am I officially a nerd now as I'm really excited about these reviews? Or are we all nerds simply by being here?
We are all nerds
Is Bjorn on twitter or how do you follow? I f**king hate twitter0 -
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Shefwedfan wrote: »We are all nerds
Is Bjorn on twitter or how do you follow? I f**king hate twitter
He's on Facebook and You Tube, he uses the name TeslaBjorn
He has posted quite a bit of info on Facebook this morning, he picked up the Niro earlier today.0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »We are all nerds
Is Bjorn on twitter or how do you follow? I f**king hate twitter
I only use twitter for complaining to big companies, lol.
He has a Facebook page that I follow, and I subscribe to his YouTube channel. He's posting lots so far on Facebook, YouTube videos will start later today.0 -
I only use twitter for complaining to big companies, lol.
He has a Facebook page that I follow, and I subscribe to his YouTube channel. He's posting lots so far on Facebook, YouTube videos will start later today.
Feck based on the few pics I have seen the Niro looks good......
Bye Bye Galaxy
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Shefwedfan wrote: »Feck based on the few pics I have seen the Niro looks good......
Bye Bye Galaxy
Just to soften you cough Shef... it will be the best part of €40k based on what they charged for the Kona.0 -
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Shefwedfan wrote: »Whats money between friends
I put 90 quid of diesel into that fecking thing last night and I would bet I will be putting another 90 in this time next week :mad::mad:
If you would consider a Niro over a galaxy Im assuming you dont actually need a 7 seater but just like the extra room?
You could have any number of SUV's (Sportage, Tuscon etc) that will fill that gap. They will all be smaller than a Galaxy but shouldnt cost €90/wk to run in fuel.
Shock, horror, maybe even consider a Niro PHEV which, by all accounts, can do 50km in EV mode and is very well spec'd and getting very good reviews. Would 50km daily cover 90%+ of your Galaxy driving?
A 1yr old Niro PHEV can be had in the UK for about €25k inc VRT.But will that be €40k for the top spec...
That would be the assumption yes... same as Kona.. only one high spec version provided.... maybe they will surprise us and offer options, but I doubt it.
I would be very interested in the Niro EV but not at €35k+. I'd happily forego some toys and leather etc to make it more affordable. I cant justify €35k-€40k. That extra €5k would be better spent on Solar PV! 0 -
If you would consider a Niro over a galaxy Im assuming you dont actually need a 7 seater but just like the extra room?
You could have any number of SUV's (Sportage, Tuscon etc) that will fill that gap. They will all be smaller than a Galaxy but shouldnt cost €90/wk to run in fuel.
Shock, horror, maybe even consider a Niro PHEV which, by all accounts, can do 50km in EV mode and is very well spec'd and getting very good reviews. Would 50km daily cover 90%+ of your Galaxy driving?
A 1yr old Niro PHEV can be had in the UK for about €25k inc VRT.
That would be the assumption yes... same as Kona.. only one high spec version provided.... maybe they will surprise us and offer options, but I doubt it.
I would be very interested in the Niro EV but not at €35k+. I'd happily forego some toys and leather etc to make it more affordable. I cant justify €35k-€40k. That extra €5k would be better spent on Solar PV!
Yeah, I really like the Niro and since I won't be able to afford one seeing the price of the Kona, I will try to buy the PHEV next year to replace our old Diesel0 -
If you would consider a Niro over a galaxy Im assuming you dont actually need a 7 seater but just like the extra room?
You could have any number of SUV's (Sportage, Tuscon etc) that will fill that gap. They will all be smaller than a Galaxy but shouldnt cost €90/wk to run in fuel.
Shock, horror, maybe even consider a Niro PHEV which, by all accounts, can do 50km in EV mode and is very well spec'd and getting very good reviews. Would 50km daily cover 90%+ of your Galaxy driving?
A 1yr old Niro PHEV can be had in the UK for about €25k inc VRT.
That would be the assumption yes... same as Kona.. only one high spec version provided.... maybe they will surprise us and offer options, but I doubt it.
I would be very interested in the Niro EV but not at €35k+. I'd happily forego some toys and leather etc to make it more affordable. I cant justify €35k-€40k. That extra €5k would be better spent on Solar PV!
Love the Niro PHEV, but why buy a PHEV when you can buy a BEV version? Ok you save a few quid but if I plan to keep both electric cars till they fall off the road then why not bite the bullet now and go full electric?
Then with Solar PV installation I could potentially fuel the cars myself:P0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »Love the Niro PHEV, but why buy a PHEV when you can buy a BEV version? Ok you save a few quid but if I plan to keep both electric cars till they fall off the road then why not bite the bullet now and go full electric?
Then with Solar PV installation I could potentially fuel the cars myself:P
Sure, thats another valid way to look at it but €40k is a lot of dosh to raise and unless you have it in cash you are looking at a loan and associated interest.... it starts to make less and less sense I think at that level.... maybe if it were your only car and doing 100% of your driving and you were clocking up decent mileage then yeah it might add up over 10yrs.
On the other side you could have a 1yr old PHEV for €15k less, less interest (maybe none as €25k is easier than €40k) and you can still use Solar to charge it and have no dependence on public charging and no range anxiety ever and still manage to do the majority of your driving in EV only mode. There is a lot to be said for it... I know some will say its only a tax compliance dodge but it doesn't have to be, if it suits your usage profile.
Ultimately we each have our breaking point in relation to "its too expensive". If we didn't, we'd all be driving Tesla's!
At €40k it doesn't add up for me. Lets see what Kia come out with in pricing next month. If its ~€40k I'm off to the UK for a PHEV(before Brexit!), I think, as there is nothing else on the horizon (VW ID is going to be €35k+, imo, too).0 -
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Sure, thats another valid way to look at it but €40k is a lot of dosh to raise and unless you have it in cash you are looking at a loan and associated interest.... it starts to make less and less sense I think at that level.... maybe if it were your only car and doing 100% of your driving and you were clocking up decent mileage then yeah it might add up over 10yrs.
On the other side you could have a 1yr old PHEV for €15k less, less interest (maybe none as €25k is easier than €40k) and you can still use Solar to charge it and have no dependence on public charging and no range anxiety ever and still manage to do the majority of your driving in EV only mode. There is a lot to be said for it... I know some will say its only a tax compliance dodge but it doesn't have to be, if it suits your usage profile.
Ultimately we each have our breaking point in relation to "its too expensive". If we didn't, we'd all be driving Tesla's!
At €40k it doesn't add up for me. Lets see what Kia come out with in pricing next month. If its ~€40k I'm off to the UK for a PHEV(before Brexit!), I think, as there is nothing else on the horizon (VW ID is going to be €35k+, imo, too).
VW Neo will be 30k.....it will change the World.....
I done 15k km's in eGolf last year.....
In the Galaxy I have done 22k kms in 12 months.
I would have expected to use the electric more but the number of shorts journeys been done in the Galaxy really is adding up. I get 800km on average out of a 90 euro tank which means I spent over 2k on diesel :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
PHEV is an option of course....but I like shiny new things and if I can get the Niro at good money over a PCP with the option to buy at end then it will work for me...
The 400km range will mean the odd trip to UK/France should not be an issue0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »VW Neo will be 30k.....it will change the World.....
A well known saying about pigs is coming to mind!
Shefwedfan wrote: »I done 15k km's in eGolf last year.....
In the Galaxy I have done 22k kms in 12 months.
I would have expected to use the electric more but the number of shorts journeys been done in the Galaxy really is adding up. I get 800km on average out of a 90 euro tank which means I spent over 2k on diesel
The galaxy is a boat and a thirsty one. Short journeys are killing its efficiency.
A PHEV would be better in that case and of course a BEV would be better again.Shefwedfan wrote: »PHEV is an option of course....but I like shiny new things and if I can get the Niro at good money over a PCP with the option to buy at end then it will work for me...
The 400km range will mean the odd trip to UK/France should not be an issue
Yea, I had the exact same thought process as you until I heard the Kona was €38k OTR! I'm re-evaluating now though. I'll decide when I see Niro BEV prices but I'm not tying myself into large repayments "just to have a BEV" if the PHEV will do practically the same job for significantly less money.0 -
A 1yr old Niro PHEV can be had in the UK for about €25k inc VRT.
Apples & oranges. Almost all second hand cars are a lot cheaper than the equivalent brand new car over here
A new Niro PHEV lists at 31k. A new Niro BEV will be what, about 37k?
Unless you do only very small local mileage, you're likely to save one or two grand a year in fuel + maintenance + tax and the residual value of the BEV will be much, much stronger (remember it has about a 400-450km range). Supply of economy budget cars with a range like this will be limited for years and demand will be strong
Buying a new Niro PHEV now would be a big mistake imho...0 -
Apples & oranges. Almost all second hand cars are a lot cheaper than the equivalent brand new car over here
Yes and No. How much will a one year old Niro BEV be, if it can be got at all?A new Niro PHEV lists at 31k. A new Niro BEV will be what, about 37k?
We'll know in a month or so.Unless you do only very small local mileage, you're likely to save one or two grand a year in fuel + maintenance + tax and the residual value of the BEV will be much, much stronger (remember it has about a 400-450km range). Supply of economy budget cars with a range like this will be limited for years and demand will be strong
Buying a new Niro PHEV now would be a big mistake imho...
Sure. I wouldn't buy the Niro PHEV new. I am still evaluating which is hard to complete without an actual cost of the BEV yet released.
If a s/h PHEV can be had for "right money" I dont think that will depreciate quickly at all for the same reason the BEV's dont. And it will depend on how long its kept for too of course..... lots of variables to consider.
Also bear in mind this isn't my first foray into EV world.... if I buy a PHEV its to replace the remaining diesel while still maintaining the Leaf 24kWh. The remaining diesel is for the long journeys and has been doing less mileage since we got the L24 so I'm finding it hard in my own mind to justify €40k to replace that diesel but we do need to change and I dont want it to be a diesel.
If we can do 90% of our driving in EV mode in the PHEV while still maintaining the ability to do long distance (continent driving in particular) then it is a serious consideration.
I guess everyones situations are different. I dont subscribe to PHEV being a bad idea for everyone, if that is what your opinion is?0 -
if I buy a PHEV its to replace the remaining diesel while still maintaining the Leaf 24kWh.
Your new car will replace the Leaf as the main family car. The Leaf will become the second runabout car. A long range BEV seems perfect as your next family car to me
Of course buying a PHEV at the right price can be a good option. But I'd be reluctant to spend a lot of money on it. I even (briefly) considered buying a 2 year old BMW330e (for less than half of the new price here) earlier this year
Also, if we had a reliable charging network, I would probably buy a €30k 39kWh over a €37k 64kWh Niro BEV. The former will hold its value exceptionally well and will prove to have a very low TCO0 -
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