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Kia Niro EV
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I took the car out for a 200km round trip today, more to get a proper feel for the car than anything else.
Drive compared to Ioniq.
Very similar feel to the drive in the Ioniq, very familiar as all the controls are the same, bar a few small things like gear selector. The driving position is a good bit higher and visibility is better. Seats are firmer in the Niro, but more built in support. I really miss the Ioniq's lumbar support, I still haven't found the ideal seat/steering position combination. The ventilation arrangement is much better in the Niro, with plenty of fresh air available by just opening the dash vents.
The Niro is a lot more powerful than Ioniq, at all speeds. Accelerating to overtake at any speed is smile inducing. The car feels a bit heavier, probably because it is. :P
Driver assist
This bit surprised the most. The LKAS comes on every time you start the car and you can feel the little gremlin tugging at the steering sometimes. It's nowhere as good as the LKAS in Ioniq, but the LFA more than makes up for that. LKAS can be turned off like the VESS, some will hate it and add it to the routine of VESS off, Hill Hold on, etc. I don't mind it at all and won't bother adding it to the start up list.
The LFA is amazing. it only seems to be available when the adaptive cruise is on. Let go of the steering wheel and it just keeps the car smoothly on course. It will allow you to go hands free for about 15 seconds then give a single bong, which you can either ignore, just flick the wheel with your thumb to reset the timer, or put your hands back on the wheel. If you ignore, it will give you another 15 seconds before it will really start to nag you. A quick flick of the thumb again resets it. Really wide lanes tend to keep the car out from the hard shoulder more than I would like, as the car centres, but they are few and far between. All LFA steering adjustments are smooth as glass.
Auto regen is a fantastic piece of work. I had it set to zero regen and auto. It uses the radar to decide if energy can be recovered and it's really intuitive. With zero regen set the car will apply as much as it can without losing the benefit of coasting, and it will return to zero when it slows you down. It will apply level 1, 2 or three as it detects cars ahead that are going slower than you.
Range
Oh my sweet lord! I can see a problem of forgetting to charge the thing. Similar to how one might forget to fill an ICE car.
Plus and Minus
As I said I will miss the lumbar support from the Ioniq, I'll also miss the LED headlights, but I can rectify that one easily enough. The smaller screen of the infotainment system is a bit disappointing, but, I'll probably get used to it. The under floor storage in the Niro boot is a big plus when your co-pilot insists on bringing a life support system everywhere with you. Although it is a smidge shorter and narrower than the Ioniq, it feels like a much bigger car.
I was really sorry to see the Ioniq go, but the E-Niro makes it all better.
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Well wear and enjoy that range
Maybe you need to drive it more, but I would be interested what your thoughts are on the difference (apart from the warnings) on motorways with LKAS + LFA + active cruise on compared to Ioniq with LKAS + active cruise on? In the way the car behaves and how reliable it seems to be? Did you try a bottle, or a bag of coins in either?0 -
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Well wear and enjoy that range
Maybe you need to drive it more, but I would be interested what your thoughts are on the difference (apart from the warnings) on motorways with LKAS + LFA + active cruise on compared to Ioniq with LKAS + active cruise on? In the way the car behaves and how reliable it seems to be? Did you try a bottle, or a bag of coins in either?
Part of the drive today was on a well marked 100kmh national road. I had active cruise and LFA on. It's almost like it was learning as it went. The first junction it came to, the car wanted to follow the yellow line where cars filter off to take a turn, and I had to hold the wheel to keep it in the lane. The next junction, it seemed to ignore the yellow line and picked up the white lane divider instead. Of the many turnoffs on the road, it didn't try to deviate again. With the Ioniq, I always had to hold the steering at motorway exits, as it wanted to follow the slip road rather than the lane. I can't really put my finger on it, but the LFA seems to inspire more confidence.
To be honest, I wouldn't feel the need to try to trick the system. I had my hands resting on my legs and just flicked the steering wheel with my thumb (just a small touch required) every thirty seconds or so. I'm sure I will quickly learn to trust the car the way I trusted the Ioniq. When I first got the Ioniq, I was covering the brake all the time when adaptive cruise was bring me to a full stop behind traffic. After about 6 months of using the car, I had 100% confidence it would come to a complete stop in a fully controlled fashion.
I'll have to learn to trust this system, but I have a high degree of confidence in it already.
Did I mention the range?:D After the 200km trip today I went in to Wexford to have lunch. I didn't even bother to connect it to a charger, We parked opposite the quays and strolled across the bridge to eat. Back home now with more range remaining than a fully charged Ioniq. No point in plugging it in tonight. 0 -
I'd wonder why they have LKAS and LFA at all... why not just LFA. From what I can tell they are based on the same tech.... camera, radar and steering adjustments.... why the need for two features when LFA on its own covers everything?
The Kia LKAS is crap, imo.
They should just have LFA and be done with it.
I can see that I'm going to have to try out the LKAS hands free to see how bad it really is. I'll report back if I make it home. 0 -
I wouldn't trust any of these systems yet in other than motorway driving. Not even on national roads where of course the damage of any possible accident would be greatest. Hit a tree at 100km/h and you are dead. Even the very latest version of Tesla AP I tested last week was pretty crap in city drivingSilent Running wrote: »With the Ioniq, I always had to hold the steering at motorway exits, as it wanted to follow the slip road rather than the lane.
Yes Ioniq does that. Doesn't happen to me much as I would be overtaking a lot of the time (so would be in the lane with uninterrupted lines on both sides
I do trust the system to some extent in those circumstances, but I would always pay full attention (even though may hands and feet are not touching the controls)0 -
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I wouldn't trust any of these systems yet in other than motorway driving. Not even on national roads where of course the damage of any possible accident would be greatest. Hit a tree at 100km/h and you are dead. Even the very latest version of Tesla AP I tested last week was pretty crap in city driving
Yes Ioniq does that. Doesn't happen to me much as I would be overtaking a lot of the time (so would be in the lane with uninterrupted lines on both sides
I do trust the system to some extent in those circumstances, but I would always pay full attention (even though may hands and feet are not touching the controls)
Ah yeah, full attention is a given. I just stopped covering the brake as I knew the car would roll to a complete stop behind the last car at a traffic light. Or if the car in front slows down, that my car would slow too.0 -
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Next question: does the car start driving by itself again in heavy traffic after it has been stopped for more than a few seconds? Ioniq and most other cars I'm aware of with ACC don't
Tesla Model 3 does start again by itself. Very handy on the busy M50.0 -
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Next question: does the car start driving by itself again in heavy traffic after it has been stopped for more than a few seconds? Ioniq and most other cars I'm aware of with ACC don't
Tesla Model 3 does start again by itself. Very handy on the busy M50.
Oooh, haven't tried that one yet... I'll let you know. I'll be surprised if it isn't the same as the Ioniq: the steering wheel button or accelerator.0 -
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Surely every boardsie didn’t stroll in with cash!?
There is very little info about the PCP / HP deals on offer.
I have 3.9% in my head for some reason.
3 years @ 3.9% is what I have seen on the website for pcp
Think some garages offer 5 years with lower monthly payments, interest rate probably worse0 -
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Next question: does the car start driving by itself again in heavy traffic after it has been stopped for more than a few seconds? Ioniq and most other cars I'm aware of with ACC don't
Tesla Model 3 does start again by itself. Very handy on the busy M50.
I had the eSoul on a test drive on Saturday, I had the LFA on and when it stopped in traffic, it didn't disengage after being stopped for a few seconds like the Intellegent Cruise Control on the Leaf 40. Once the traffic started moving again, I just tipped the accelerator and the LFA kicked in again. I presume the eNiro would be the same.0 -
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