The brutality of the male libido

Feels Good Man

"For most of history, we’ve taken for granted the implicit brutality of male sexuality. In 1976, the radical feminist and pornography opponent Andrea Dworkin said that the only sex between a man and a woman that could be undertaken without violence was sex with a flaccid penis: “I think that men will have to give up their precious erections,” she wrote. In the third century A.D., it is widely believed, the great Catholic theologian Origen, working on roughly the same principle, castrated himself."

So what do you think boys and girls? Is male sexuality inherently violent and oppressive? My libido is indeed brutal but I can tell you all the women I have been with (and there has been plen-tee) were grateful for it.

My opinion is that this Stephen Marche guy is the epitome of the self hating, feminized, western male who feels personal guilt for the behavior of losers like Weinstein. Pathetic.

Put it this way, I don't think Syrian migrants feel guilty for desiring sex with beautiful women.

/2017/11/25/opinion/sunday/harassment-men-libido-masculinity.html

Duck Soup

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/opinion/sunday/harassment-men-libido-masculinity.html

jamesbere

For some bizarre reason I thought that said dildo. That would of been a totally different thread

Feels Good Man

Duck Soup wrote: »

2017/11/25/opinion/sunday/harassment-men-libido-masculinity.html

Cheers for posting the link. I can't do it as I'm a new user.

Fourier

Feels Good Man wrote: »

My libido is indeed brutal but I can tell you all the women I have been with (and there has been plen-tee) were grateful for it.

"I'm mad good in bed" is an excellent way to begin any discussion, e.g.

"When is male nudity justified in film, being sick hung I have difficulty taking an objective view of the matter."

qwerty ui op

you have 4 kind of guys:
1.very horny
2.kinda horny
3.Little horny
4. no horny
I blame 1 & 2 the kinda and very guys

Noveight

Feels Good Man wrote: »

Just putting across the point that every woman I've been with has craved rough, dominant sex.

And the lads?

Sonics2k

Feels Good Man wrote: »

"For most of history, we’ve taken for granted the implicit brutality of male sexuality. In 1976, the radical feminist and pornography opponent Andrea Dworkin said that the only sex between a man and a woman that could be undertaken without violence was sex with a flaccid penis: “I think that men will have to give up their precious erections,” she wrote. In the third century A.D., it is widely believed, the great Catholic theologian Origen, working on roughly the same principle, castrated himself."

So what do you think boys and girls? Is male sexuality inherently violent and oppressive? My libido is indeed brutal but I can tell you all the women I have been with (and there has been plen-tee) were grateful for it.

My opinion is that this Stephen Marche guy is the epitome of the self hating, feminized, western male who feels personal guilt for the behavior of losers like Weinstein. Pathetic.

Put it this way, I don't think Syrian migrants feel guilty for desiring sex with beautiful women.

/2017/11/25/opinion/sunday/harassment-men-libido-masculinity.html

Yeah, so basically as soon as someone includes this woman in any discussion on either feminism or masculinity, they've basically done the equivalent of Godwinning.

Fourier

Feels Good Man wrote: »

Just putting across the point that every woman I've been with has craved rough, dominant sex.

Right, taking this half way seriously the male libido is not inherently brutal, as it is not constantly used brutally. Hunger can make us brutal for example, in times of famine, but eating an apple isn't an inherently brutal act.

That the male libido leads some men to brutal acts just puts in a list of biological urges which overrides empathy for others for some people.

Only some woman "crave" rough dominant sex, so again it's not some built in component.

GingerLily

Feels Good Man wrote: »

Just putting across the point that every woman I've been with has craved rough, dominant sex.

I can imagine you'd only attract a certain kinda women alright.......

Day Lewin

Male primates are more aggressive than the females, in most species: just as in many other mammals.
There is actually a reason why stallions, boars, rams, bulls etc are castrated - because they are just too impulsive and skittish when entire.
I'm not suggesting that human males should be treated likewise - but it does point to a widespread characteristic of males.
That having been said, they're ok in the right hands ;-)

qwerty ui op

GingerLily wrote: »

I can imagine you'd only attract a certain kinda women alright.......

honestly, I find sounder more decent women like it rough

kylith

I think that the idea that the male libido is brutal is damaging. Giving young men the impression that their libido is something violent and uncontrollable can't be good for them, or their attitudes to sex.

Feels Good Man

Fourier wrote: »

Right, taking this half way seriously the male libido is not inherently brutal, as it is not constantly used brutally. Hunger can make us brutal for example, in times of famine, but eating an apple isn't an inherently brutal act.

That the male libido leads some men to brutal acts just puts in a list of biological urges which overrides empathy for others for some people.

Only some woman "crave" rough dominant sex, so again it's not some built in component.

It's a lot more than 'some'. Rape is one of the biggest female fantasies.

Junkyard Tom

Oi fink you is talkin' bollocks mate. (Alfie Solomons' voice)

Joe prim

I have made sweet love to literally nearly hundreds of beautiful, sloe-eyed women, and errr.....that's it really, pretty much.

Tom Mann Centuria

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Oi fink you is talkin' bollocks mate. (Alfie Solomons' voice)

Not Dick Van Dyke plucky chimney sweeps voice?

qwerty ui op

Feels Good Man wrote: »

It's a lot more than 'some'. Rape is one of the biggest female fantasies.

and what put that notion in you're head?

OnDraught

Feels Good Man wrote: »

Put it this way, I don't think Syrian migrants feel guilty for desiring sex with beautiful women.

Why would you put it that way? Are you suggesting they shouldn't? Or that you shouldn't? Or that nobody should?

Tom Mann Centuria

Op is Swiss Tony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBw-aEixWuo

Feels Good Man

qwerty ui op wrote: »

and what put that notion in you're head?

Google it now and you'll find plenty of articles. The success of 'romance' novels. A guy analysed the search habits of Pornhub user and found that rape and rough sex was some of the most popular genres for women.

OnDraught wrote: »

Why would you put it that way? Are you suggesting they shouldn't? Or that you shouldn't? Or that nobody should?

Arabs comes form macho cultures unlike the western 'man' who wrote this article.

greencap

qwerty ui op wrote: »

and what put that notion in you're head?

he is correct. you can google the stats. women fantasize about that about 4-5 times more frequently than men.

that said i think op is on that whole tired alt-right 'everyones a cuck except me' trip.

it was the talk of syrians mixed with the talk of feminism that hints at this.

the feminist quote is unsurprising, they're bat**** and should be ignored and left to ramble.

Feels Good Man

kylith wrote: »

I think that the idea that the male libido is brutal is damaging. Giving young men the impression that their libido is something violent and uncontrollable can't be good for them, or their attitudes to sex.

I agree and it may lead to self hate and perpetual virginity for some. I would hope though that most men don't and won't ever feel guilty for doing what God made them to do.

OnDraught

Feels Good Man wrote: »

Arabs comes form macho cultures unlike the western 'man' who wrote this article.

They do in their holes. Straight Arabs walk around arm in arm. They spend more time preening and posing than anyone in Ireland. You should come to an Arab country sometime and you would get the fright of your life if that's what you think.

Feels Good Man

OnDraught wrote: »

They do in their holes. Straight Arabs walk around arm in arm. They spend more time preening and posing than anyone in Ireland. You should come to an Arab country sometime and you would get the fright of your life if that's what you think.

French men kiss each other on the cheek, doesn't make them gay.

OnDraught

Feels Good Man wrote: »

French men kiss each other on the cheek, doesn't make them gay.

No but it doesn't make them macho either.

What makes you think Arabs are macho?

Is it possible you are intimidated by them. Look up to them. Fear but respect them?

Feels Good Man

OnDraught wrote: »

No but it doesn't make them macho either.

What makes you think Arabs are macho?

The male dominance of their culture. The live in, literally, a patriarchy.

tomwaterford

Feels Good Man wrote: »

French men kiss each other on the cheek, doesn't make them gay.

They also eat horses,snails and frog legs.....fcuk knows what else they put in their mouths :eek:











>>joke before any actual gay posters get offended

bodice ripper

Male dominance gets the OP wet.

Feels Good Man

bodice ripper wrote: »

Male dominance gets the OP wet.

I like how your username backs up what I'm saying.

bodice ripper

Feels Good Man wrote:

I like how your username backs up what I'm saying.

What about my massive jabs?

OnDraught

Feels Good Man wrote: »

The male dominance of their culture. The live in, literally, a patriarchy.

It still doesn't make them macho.

It sounds like you like their way of life though. Have you thought of maybe moving over here to teach English or study?

The food, weather and the vast majority of the people are lovely.

Oldtree

I don't let French men kiss me anywhere!

Vita nova

When your libido wanes and you look back on your younger days, you realise the veracity of the old saying that 'having a libido is like being chained to a madman'.

Oldtree

Vita nova wrote: »

When your libido wanes and you look back on your younger days, you realise the veracity of the old saying that 'having a libido is like being chained to a madman'.

Never heard that before, very apt.

Junkyard Tom

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Not Dick Van Dyke plucky chimney sweeps voice?

Bit too featrical for my liaking Mr Thomas.

suicide_circus

I'd agree with the OP in the sense that, in my experience and under the right circumstances, straight women have no problem with the "brutal" male libido.

Your Face

Ah, first year Arts.

joeguevara

Is the majority of this entire thread one user posting with multiple accounts? Are you really saying that the majority of women crave rough sex based on the search engine of Pornhub.

Yes some girls I’ve been with like what you state sometimes. It is not what they wanted all the time. Also it didn’t make me feel like my libido was brutal. The thesis that you are trying to argue is actually bizarre and smacks of someone who looks more at pornhub search engines rather than actually being with a girl.

_Kaiser_

More man-hating intellectual sounding nonsense sums it up I think

I wonder when we as a society will get over this incessant navel gazing and looking for someone/something to blame for or explain the ills in life and move on

Fourier

Fourier wrote: »

Right, taking this half way seriously...

Jesus.

The gullibility on here...

joeguevara

I remember doing an essay on this in college. Is the op espousing the Catherine McKinnon school of thought that every girl who has sex is essentially being raped even if she consents due to the fact that she has been brought up in such a patriarchal society that the brutal man takes away her right to say yes due to the fact that he is a brutal male and females are scared and therefore have no opinion about consent. If that is the case then jaysus you have no understanding of women.

Wibbs

Do "they"? Jesus this really does all read like someone who got their entire experience of women from porn and bad drama.

Day Lewin

In fairness, the terrible, ignorant book called "50 Shades of Grey" made 95 million dollars for the author, E L James. A lot of women bought that book!

A quality of decisive action is desirable in a male. From a female point of view, such a man can protect his mate and offspring, and provide for them. And males want to spread their seed - not just humans, most animals.

In the vast majority of men, this does NOT translate into "violence against women". Most men are decent folk, as are most women.
An occasional man can use his superior strength to force sex on a woman and this crime is rightly condemned and despised.

That male energy of strength and assertiveness is indeed attractive. Enuff said.

Ulysses Gaze

Day Lewin wrote: »

In fairness, the terrible, ignorant book called "50 Shades of Grey" made 95 million dollars for the author, E L James. A lot of women bought that book!

A quality of decisive action is desirable in a male. From a female point of view, such a man can protect his mate and offspring, and provide for them. And males want to spread their seed - not just humans, most animals.

In the vast majority of men, this does NOT translate into "violence against women". Most men are decent folk, as are most women.
An occasional man can use his superior strength to force sex on a woman and this crime is rightly condemned and despised.

That male energy of strength and assertiveness is indeed attractive. Enuff said.

These men are probably sociopaths or psychopaths with zero empathy. Sociopaths make up 3%-5% of the population.

Wibbs

Day Lewin wrote: »

In fairness, the terrible, ignorant book called "50 Shades of Grey" made 95 million dollars for the author, E L James. A lot of women bought that book!

True and sold around 150 million worldwide IIRC, but equally mills and boon sell 200 million per year, with nary a spanking doggy scene in view.

A quality of decisive action is desirable in a male.

I'd agree with that as a general thing alright.

Plopsu

Oldtree wrote: »

Never heard that before, very apt.

Comes (in evolving misquote form) from 'The Republic':

…I may mention Sophocles the poet, who was once asked in my presence, ‘How do you feel about love, Sophocles? are you still capable of it?’ to which he replied, ‘Hush! if you please: to my great delight I have escaped from it, and feel as if I had escaped from a frantic and savage master.’

sbsquarepants

Feels Good Man wrote: »

Put it this way, I don't think Syrian migrants feel guilty for desiring sex with beautiful women.

I was almost following you right up to here. Disagreeing mostly, with Dworkin I mean, Dworkins a twat of the highest order. But the Syrians have thrown me - I now have no idea what your point is!

Well, other than the ladies love your man meat. Presumably because it feels good, man:D

donegaLroad

The Alpha male does exist then.