Whats your opinion on Julian Assange?

AMKC

My opinion is I think he is a traitor to the security of the world and the sooner he is in a prison with no computer access the better. The Ecuador government have finally seen sense are are now trying to get him out of there Embassy in the UK.

Before WikiLeaks the World was a far safer place its only after all the leaks from that site that the World has become a lot less safe regarding terrorists. I don,t think Isil or any of them evil organisations would have formed had Wikileaks not been around and I also think that Donald Trump would not now be president of the United States and the World would be far better of for it.

srsly78

I'm no fan of the guy, but blaming Wikileaks for ISIS is idiotic.

Grayson

Wikileaks is a great idea but it needs more internal oversight. Releasing unredacted documents that could hurt people is damn stupid.

As for Assange. He's a bit of a dick. Sorry I means he's a huge dick. Can't stand the guy.

NinetyTwoTeam

I think himself and Snowden are modern day heroes, and O would explain why but based on the idiocy of the original post I don't see much point.

thegills

Would the victims of 911 agree with you? Wikileaks came afterwards I think.

Too Tough To Die

He's a class act. He's a rebel. And he stands up to bullies.

Lux23

Hateful creep and I always thought that even when he was still a media darling and being held up as some sort of a hero.

Night Falls

I dislike him immensely, particularly as I think the idea of wikileaks is good, but what he's done with it (he's no more than a puppet for putin) is terrible.

Lux23

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

He's a class act. He's a rebel. And he stands up to bullies.

That is sarcasm, right?

LirW

grand dude

Rumpy Pumpy

An oddball neckbeard type character loved by the loony left and alt-right weirdos.

Thich Nhat Hanh

What does neckbeard mean?

Harry Palmr

A ludicrous preening prima donna.

mcmoustache

Night Falls wrote: »

I dislike him immensely, particularly as I think the idea of wikileaks is good, but what he's done with it (he's no more than a puppet for putin) is terrible.

I agree completely and I'll add to it.

There was a point when wikileaks was about transparency, plain and simple. They seemed to be unbiased enough to p*ss off everybody.

Then a few years ago there was a big shift. They stopped publishing Russian dirt, supposedly after some coercion, maybe death threats. Since then, they've more or less stopped pretending to be impartial in any way.

To give a few recent examples:

They railed against the Panana papers.
They released DNC emails only despite admitting to having similar on the RNC which they didn't publish.
They pushed the Seth Rich conspiracy.
They had discussions with Trump Junior, offering help with the campaign.
Last week, they linked to a pirated copy of the Michael Wolff book.


They're compromised as f*ck at this point.

Night Falls

Harry Palmr wrote: »

A ludicrous preening prima donna.

Off-topic, but one of the simple joys in life is incorrectly spelled words or phrases, one of my favourites was someone being referred to as a "pre-madonna".

DEFTLEFTHAND

It's time for him to pay the piper.

seamus

He played a good game, courted the anti-establishment sentiment and the good works of Ed Snowden to portray himself as a "good guy of the people", and wikileaks as a defender of freedom, anti-corruption and pro-transparency

But as more details about the charges against him became clear (i.e. they're not just trumped-up charges to try and secure an extradition), and Wikileaks revealed that it's nothing more than a Russian propaganda mouthpiece intent on destabilising the west rather than fighting corruption, his credibility was shot.

alchemist33

Wikileaks isn't even a wiki. He named it so to follow on the coat-tails on Wikipedia, and when Wikipedia asked him not to, he refused. I don't think he's remotely the shining knight of truth he used to be made as.

Fighting Irish

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

I think himself and Snowden are modern day heroes, and O would explain why but based on the idiocy of the original post I don't see much point.

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Fighting Irish

Night Falls wrote: »

I dislike him immensely, particularly as I think the idea of wikileaks is good, but what he's done with it (he's no more than a puppet for putin) is terrible.

I hope you know you're crazy

Night Falls

What part of my post gave you such remarkable insight into my mental health?

biko

AMKC wrote: »

My opinion is I think he is a traitor to the security of the world and the sooner he is in a prison with no computer access the better.

Before WikiLeaks the World was a far safer place its only after all the leaks from that site that the World has become a lot less safe regarding terrorists.

I can easily say you and I hold opposing views on this matter.
It's the people that scheme in the dark that cause the problems we see today, not the people bringing things up into the light.

Arghus

The only thing I can say for sure is that he's fierce pale looking. Fierce pale altogether.

pitifulgod

Fighting Irish wrote: »

I hope you know you're crazy

Last year wikileaks were offered a substantial number of files in relation to Russian government. They didn't leak them due to their focus on Clinton. That's what they claimed as reason anyway.

In addition, they had leaks of Saudi intelligence files that gave away personal info of those convicted and under investigation by the Saudi regime. This put incredibly vulnerable people in danger.

I have contempt for wikileaks and Assange at this stage. Assange is a propagandist half the time and appears to be a fan of Trump. He doesn't care about collateral damage with leaks and seems obsessed with increasing his profile at this stage. Revealing corruption is not a priority.

I have immense respect for Manning and Snowden btw.

Sonics2k

Is he a traitor, no he's not.

Does he have a very clear agenda, in that he only releases documents that suit him and his own, he absolutely does. I wouldn't trust him in the slightest.

buried

Do not trust. Will never understand why anyone wants to put people like this lad up on a pedestal. You will just be disappoint eventually.

hatrickpatrick

I approve of any organisation which seeks to destabilise the establishment, but Assange is an idiot for allowing his (justified) hatred of Hillary Clinton to compromise his ethics as an editor. I don't believe for a second that he's a Russian agent or anything like that - the truth is, his spat with Clinton over the diplomatic cables was severe enough that he doesn't need any coercion from a foreign government to hate her. But it's stupid, he should be above that as editor of one of the (formerly, sadly) most important media organisations of the 21st century - and I say all this as someone who absolutely despises Hillary Clinton for similar reasons.

Lirange

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

He's a class act. He's a rebel. And he stands up to bullies.

I think that's a reasonably accurate description of Snowden.

Assange? Not so much. He's more invested in his ego than anything else. He's also known to be quite the bully himself, particularly towards his erstwhile partners and allies. Then there's his penchant for exaggeration and bizarre obsessions. He's not eccentric. Just a delusional prat.

Cienciano

Assange is obviously working for Russia, not sure why anyone would listen to him now

Barry Badrinath

AMKC wrote: »

Before WikiLeaks the World was a far safer place its only after all the leaks from that site that the World has become a lot less safe regarding terrorists. I don,t think Isil or any of them evil organisations would have formed had Wikileaks not been around.

Im sorry but this is probably the stupidist thing I have EVER read on this site and maybe anywhere online.

Im all for people having opinions but that is pure bollox and complete misinformation.

How did you even come to that assumption? Fcuk me.

Fred Swanson

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Hector Bellend

There's a certain merit in what he and wikileaks do.

However, as an individual I think he's shady. I don't necessarily believe he was ever guilty of those rapes\crimes but personality wise he's dodgy

Everyone knows he's dead, jeez

Richard Hillman

When he entered the Ecuadorian embassy he was a hero in the media classes. Ever since he went against Hillary Clinton he is now reported on as a villain.

For Forks Sake

He's a bought and paid for Russian puppet at this stage.

pitifulgod

Richard Hillman wrote: »

When he entered the Ecuadorian embassy he was a hero in the media classes. Ever since he went against Hillary Clinton he is now reported on as a villain.

His reputation was pretty awful by the stage he entered the embassy tbh. There's been increasing concern over leaks that have endangered the innocent rather than exposing anything we didn't already know. Turkey and Saudi Arabia leaks did exactly that. So I have very little time for them as a result.

cycle4fun

Richard Hillman wrote: »

When he entered the Ecuadorian embassy he was a hero in the media classes. Ever since he went against Hillary Clinton he is now reported on as a villain.

Our media, especially in Ireland, is based in favour of H. Clinton.

Vladimir Poontang

The bitterness of Clinton's posse against him and their ludicrous accusations that he is a Russian lackey is reason enough to love the guy

After all the dirt he revealed as to Clinton being an utterly corrupt, dangerous, sleazebag it says a lot that her blind devotees go after him as a Russian troll rather than be disgusted with the truth about Clinton.

Noel82

mcmoustache wrote: »

To give a few recent examples:

They released DNC emails only despite admitting to having similar on the RNC which they didn't publish.

Got a source for that?

The Highwayman

AMKC wrote: »

My opinion is I think he is a traitor to the security of the world and the sooner he is in a prison with no computer access the better. The Ecuador government have finally seen sense are are now trying to get him out of there Embassy in the UK.

Before WikiLeaks the World was a far safer place its only after all the leaks from that site that the World has become a lot less safe regarding terrorists. I don,t think Isil or any of them evil organisations would have formed had Wikileaks not been around and I also think that Donald Trump would not now be president of the United States and the World would be far better of for it.

Hahahahaha are you trolling?

Obviously the most stupid thing I've seen on the internet this week. Clap Clap Clap well done you. I can definitely think of one idiot who should have no internet connection.

Mod: Banned for persistent personal abuse.

Billy86

A total fraud who completely went back on what he originally claimed to stand for.

AllGunsBlazing

Wikileaks has become his personal attack dog.

cycle4fun

cycle4fun wrote: »

Our media, especially in Ireland, is based in favour of H. Clinton.

Reality has a liberal bias in fairness

AMKC

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

Im sorry but this is probably the stupidist thing I have EVER read on this site and maybe anywhere online.

Im all for people having opinions but that is pure bollox and complete misinformation.

How did you even come to that assumption? Fcuk me.

That's my opinion. You don't need to believe it or take it as information. Thats simply what I think.
I think the World was a far better place before Wikileaks, Assange and Snowden.

pitifulgod wrote: »

His reputation was pretty awful by the stage he entered the embassy tbh. There's been increasing concern over leaks that have endangered the innocent rather than exposing anything we didn't already know. Turkey and Saudi Arabia leaks did exactly that. So I have very little time for them as a result.

Exactly what I think too. I think he has endangered far more people than has exposed anything we did not already know.

The Highwayman wrote: »

Hahahahaha are you trolling?

Obviously the most stupid thing I've seen on the internet this week. Clap Clap Clap well done you. I can definitely think of one idiot who should have no internet connection.

Mod: Banned for persistent personal abuse.

No not trolling.

Oh look you got banned. A well I guess you are not going to get to see this so haha.

Barry Badrinath

AMKC wrote: »

That's my opinion. You don't need to believe it or take it as information. Thats simply what I think.
I think the World was a far better place before Wikileaks, Assange and Snowden.

Your opinion is wrong. You are wrong.

To believe the World was "safer" before these guys is nuts. It just means YOU are now aware.

Wikileaks was not the creater of Islamic State...if thats what you actually believe, well...I better say no more.

pitifulgod

AMKC wrote: »

That's my opinion. You don't need to believe it or take it as information. Thats simply what I think.
I think the World was a far better place before Wikileaks, Assange and Snowden.



Exactly what I think too. I think he has endangered far more people than has exposed anything we did not already know.



No not trolling.

Oh look you got banned. A well I guess you are not going to get to see this so haha.

Just to clarify, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with leaks. Just think their should be a level of responsibility when doing so. What Snowden did was incredibly important and there was nothing wrong with revealing it. What he exposed is of incredible importance, in fact.

I just don't think that Assange is motivated by anything good at this stage. However I don't think he's responsible for the state of the world at the moment.

Shedbebreezy

Putin's lapdog. Russian lacky. Victim complex. Fake. Conceited.

Chrongen

AMKC wrote: »

My opinion is I think he is a traitor to the security of the world and the sooner he is in a prison with no computer access the better. The Ecuador government have finally seen sense are are now trying to get him out of there Embassy in the UK.

Before WikiLeaks the World was a far safer place its only after all the leaks from that site that the World has become a lot less safe regarding terrorists. I don,t think Isil or any of them evil organisations would have formed had Wikileaks not been around and I also think that Donald Trump would not now be president of the United States and the World would be far better of for it.

How exactly can one be a traitor to the "security of the world"?

Could you elaborate on this and provide definitions of what a traitor is. How one can betray and what exactly Assange has done that was or is illegal?

I await your analysis.

TAFKAlawhec

When Wikileaks was formed, at least on the face of it, it appeared to have good intentions and perhaps Assange was doing a good fight regarding state and corporate accountability. However at some point one or multiple things happened...

1. His ego grew massively believing he now had extraterritorial power to bring down people he didn't like.
2. He took criticism of himself, justified or not, and Wikileaks very personally, particularly from the US Government, in turn compromising his journalistic ethics.
3. He was compromised by a state (or several states) intelligence body and/or large corporate interest that has him by the balls.
4. He sold out.

It didn't help that even from an early stage, Wikileaks were a bit reckless with what they released ending up putting the lives of lots of people in danger, especially those who live under repressive regimes. If the job was to balance accountability with civilian privacy, Wikileaks never did that great of a job concerning it.

Assange was already looking a bit shady before he stepped foot into the Ecuadorian embassy in London, but the operation of Wikileaks since that point has taken a turn that has gone down the hole eagerly attacking even mild valid criticism of its operations. Is Assange guilty of what he's accused of? I don't know (the Swedes have dropped the rape allegations against him) but it seems the tolerance of the Ecuadorian diplomats are being tested by him to the point that if there doesn't be a third party mediator that the Ecuadorians are asking for then I reckon sooner or later they'll kick Assange to the pavement outside the front door and will phone the London Met police a few minutes before doing so, Assange's reputation already having been shot by this stage.

md23040

Julian Assange espouses to be all about the importance of the free values and libertarianism of the Internet, but when the spotlight turns on him he runs as quickly as he can to the courts, seeking gagging orders for unfair intrusion.

The guy suffers from asbergers and very unstable. Narcissist, synhopanthic, hypocritical100% bellend. Can't wait til he's kicked out.

Andrew O'Hagans 2017 book "The Secret Life" will give you more insight into the life and shadowy dealings of this two faced muppet.

Canis Lupus

Think he's a knob. The fact that Ecuador is now calling for a mediator shows they're close to the limit. Shouldn't be much longer before he's out and into the arms of the met.