Your experience with the Gardai

tayto lover

The Highwayman wrote: »

How do you know? Can you link me a report on the statistics showing that?

No, you just pulled that out of your arse perhaps?

Remaining silent is not an admission of guilt, if a guard wants to 'do' me for something I'm not going to help them make the case by saying anything. If there is no crime often they will look for one. Keep your mouth shut at all times.

Name, address and DOB. Not another word. Never admit your speed, what you had to drink, where your going, where you came from. Just be respectful and decline to answer any questions and ask if your free to go. If they say no your under arrest then absolutely shut your mouth and remember anything you have already said will be used against you.

If you do not exercise your rights you give them up, something I will not do?

Maybe more of you sheep should look into your rights.

Funny that anytime i'm stopped, and it happens quite often in the Dundalk area, i answer the questions and never experience any hassle.
The times I see people giving abuse to people in uniform be they nurses, gard, bus drivers etc the thing they had in common was loudness and bad rearing.

corner of hells

The Highwayman wrote: »

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

The trouble most people who do it don't do it for that reason. They do it to annoy, taunt, one up the Gardai.

And that's just foolishness in the extreme. Talk about making yourself look guilty of something.

How do you know? Can you link me a report on the statistics showing that?

No, you just pulled that out of your arse perhaps?

Remaining silent is not an admission of guilt, if a guard wants to 'do' me for something I'm not going to help them make the case by saying anything. If there is no crime often they will look for one. Keep your mouth shut at all times.

Name, address and DOB. Not another word. Never admit your speed, what you had to drink, where your going, where you came from. Just be respectful and decline to answer any questions and ask if your free to go. If they say no your under arrest then absolutely shut your mouth and remember anything you have already said will be used against you.

If you do not exercise your rights you give them up, something I will not do?

Maybe more of you sheep should look into your rights.

I'm happy with my sheep status.

Stephen15

My neighbours car was burnt out outside my house, no convictions were ever made because they told us they "had a fair idea who it was but they didn't have enough evidence", that could be just a polite way of saying "We knew who it was, but we couldn't be bothered arresting him/her as we have enough other stuff to be doing". Other times for driving licences and passports etc. they've been grand as you would expect.

AudreyHepburn

The Highwayman wrote: »

How do you know? Can you link me a report on the statistics showing that?

No, you just pulled that out of your arse perhaps?

Remaining silent is not an admission of guilt, if a guard wants to 'do' me for something I'm not going to help them make the case by saying anything. If there is no crime often they will look for one. Keep your mouth shut at all times.

Name, address and DOB. Not another word. Never admit your speed, what you had to drink, where your going, where you came from. Just be respectful and decline to answer any questions and ask if your free to go. If they say no your under arrest then absolutely shut your mouth and remember anything you have already said will be used against you.

If you do not exercise your rights you give them up, something I will not do?

Maybe more of you sheep should look into your rights.

Or you could just answer their questions, co operate and then go on your merry way.

But that's just too easy for some.

Sad Professor

Sad Professor wrote: »

One negative experience. I was on my way home from work (still in my uniform)

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Were you in your Star-Trek gear?

Discodog

mynamejeff wrote: »

First off discofog you have a very well established hatred of gardai here so any of your storues are questionable at best

Are you talking about the grace peroid in relation to VRT of non irish reg cars ? other wise id appreciate a link re this "grace period " that goes past 6 weeks and a 7 day production period

Really ? Where ?

Oh & the link ? Is the Garda website good enough ? If this was still in force they wouldn't be able to seize it.

Section 41 of the Road Traffic Act 1994 as amended by Section 19 Road Traffic Act 2006 applies. A member of An Garda Sh may seize a vehicle being used in a public place where –

A member of An Garda Sh is of the opinion that the vehicle is being used in contravention of Section 56 Road Traffic Act 1961 i.e. The person driving the vehicle is not insured to drive the concerned vehicle.
The person driving the vehicle refuses or fails to produce there and then a driving licence then having effect and licensing him/her to drive the vehicle, when production of such a licence is demanded of him/her by a member of An Garda Sh under Section 40(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1961 and the member is of the opinion that the person is by reason of his/her age ineligible to hold a driving licence, licensing him/her to drive the vehicle.
There is no road tax in force for a period of 2 months or greater.

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=1727

tara73

the one I had was excellent. they retrieved my bike immediately which was stolen from a scumbag in front of my eyes..:)

Skyfarm

Snotty wrote: »

Always good, if you are reasonable, they will respect you.
If you have a poor opinion of them, chances are you are a scumbag.

I have a low opinion of certain sections and policy and I'm not a scumbag
just a person that feels very uneasy with the recent carry-ons and how they have for years used their position and trust Ireland gave it to there own advantage and gain

then there was the guard that couldn't be nicer and allowed me grace on tax etc

The Highwayman

tayto lover wrote: »

Funny that anytime i'm stopped, and it happens quite often in the Dundalk area, i answer the questions and never experience any hassle.
The times I see people giving abuse to people in uniform be they nurses, gard, bus drivers etc the thing they had in common was loudness and bad rearing.

Did you even read what I said???
What level of stupidity am I dealing with? I said to be respectful and decline to answer any questions. How is that either loud or indecating a poor upbringing? Your suggesting we should just cow down and go along with any authority figure? You know that was tried before and it lead to camps and gas chambers.
It's privacy for the citizen and transparency for the state not the other way around. Only a complete fool would think this way.

17togo

The Highwayman wrote:

Remaining silent is not an admission of guilt, if a guard wants to 'do' me for something I'm not going to help them make the case by saying anything. If there is no crime often they will look for one. Keep your mouth shut at all times.

The Highwayman wrote:

Name, address and DOB. Not another word. Never admit your speed, what you had to drink, where your going, where you came from. Just be respectful and decline to answer any questions and ask if your free to go. If they say no your under arrest then absolutely shut your mouth and remember anything you have already said will be used against you.

The Highwayman wrote:

If you do not exercise your rights you give them up, something I will not do?

The Highwayman wrote:

Maybe more of you sheep should look into your rights.

I'm really struggling to see how this is a good strategy. If you have done something then fair enough stay silent so as not to incriminate yourself. But what if you're completely innocent?

For instance, you're walking down the street on your way to work and get stopped by guards investigating a robbery in an area close by. You happen to be wearing a similar colour jacket as described. On you're phone you have proof of yourself being in a different area during the time frame they're investigating, such as a video or photo. Showing the guards this and explaining to them where you were and what you were doing completely proves you're the wrong guy. But you exercise your rights and tell them nothing other than your name and dob. So they arrest you. Detain you and interview you also seizing your phone as evidence. So now you've been in custody had your phone seized and you're job in jeopardy all because you wouldn't tell them what you had been up to or where you were going. How is this a win? And what solicitor would recommend staying quiet in this situation?

corner of hells

The Highwayman wrote: »

tayto lover wrote: »

Funny that anytime i'm stopped, and it happens quite often in the Dundalk area, i answer the questions and never experience any hassle.
The times I see people giving abuse to people in uniform be they nurses, gard, bus drivers etc the thing they had in common was loudness and bad rearing.

Did you even read what I said???
What level of stupidity am I dealing with? I said to be respectful and decline to answer any questions. How is that either loud or indecating a poor upbringing? Your suggesting we should just cow down and go along with any authority figure? You know that was tried before and it lead to camps and gas chambers.
It's privacy for the citizen and transparency for the state not the other way around. Only a complete fool would think this way.

Have you thought about having lie down and try to relax ?
Even by AHs standards the leap from experiences with Gardai to camps and has chamber's is quite an event in itself.

B.A._Baracus

You'll always get biased answers with this.

Someone who has got hauled off to the local station or got penalty points despite claiming it was not their fault etc will say bad things about the garda (generally)

Those who've only dealt with the guards when they were on the receiving side of things will call them lovely.

tayto lover

The Highwayman wrote: »

Did you even read what I said???
What level of stupidity am I dealing with? I said to be respectful and decline to answer any questions. How is that either loud or indecating a poor upbringing? Your suggesting we should just cow down and go along with any authority figure? You know that was tried before and it lead to camps and gas chambers.
It's privacy for the citizen and transparency for the state not the other way around. Only a complete fool would think this way.

Gas chamber ??? :pac:

AnneFrank

Takes a certain type of person to be a guard , most I've met share the same traits

AllForIt

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Someone who has got hauled off to the local station or got penalty points despite claiming it was not their fault etc will say bad things about the garda (generally)

I don't watch much TV but their is a UK show called 'Can't pay - we'll take it away'. I quite like it mostly because it's really shows what the general public are like. The show follows real life bailiffs calling to ppl's homes to collect debt. Businessmen, tenants etc. In some cases some really are horribly in debt and cant pay but often you see ppl who can pay and simply won't. Those types bitch to high heaven about the bailiffs and the courts and claim they have done nothing wrong when they clearly have. I'm sure the Guards suffer the same unwarranted abuse as you say.

kerrylad1

I have lived on both sides of the track,.Up till the age of 30.I lived in what people call,the worst estate in Limerick.The way the guards behaved in that area, was a disgrace.I seen them make u10 football kids,empty their gearbags to make sure,no drugs were inside.I saw this once,asked a ban Garda, what the hell they were doing.I was told to **** off,or I will be arrested.I was in my running gear.I now live in what's considered one of the best area's in co Limerick.The only encounter I have had with the Guard's,,was a offer of some water,while out for a Run one hot summers day.

tayto lover

kerrylad1 wrote: »

I have lived on both sides of the track,.Up till the age of 30.I lived in what people call,the worst estate in Limerick.The way the guards behaved in that area, was a disgrace.I seen them make u10 football kids,empty their gearbags to make sure,no drugs were inside.I saw this once,asked a ban Garda, what the hell they were doing.I was told to **** off,or I will be arrested.I was in my running gear.I now live in what's considered one of the best area's in co Limerick.The only encounter I have had with the Guard's,,was a offer of some water,while out for a Run one hot summers day.

Yes. Imagine having to search young 10 year olds.??
What king of perverse being would use 10 year olds to carry drugs. Disgraceful.

Captain Obvious

Discodog wrote: »

The Guards stopped my neighbour at a checkpoint. She had three children & a baby with her on their way to school. Her tax was 6 weeks out of date & this was only a few days since the Minister announced a change in the rules re a grace period.

The guards seized her car & left her & the kids by the roadside. Whether to seize a vehicle is at the Garda's discretion. They could of given her 7 days to produce it.

They also seized the van of a guy who had no work for months & was on his way to start a new job. He pleaded with them to give him a week to produce. He lost the job & the van as he couldn't afford to reclaim it.

Discodog wrote: »

Really ? Where ?

Oh & the link ? Is the Garda website good enough ? If this was still in force they wouldn't be able to seize it.

Section 41 of the Road Traffic Act 1994 as amended by Section 19 Road Traffic Act 2006 applies. A member of An Garda Sh may seize a vehicle being used in a public place where –

A member of An Garda Sh is of the opinion that the vehicle is being used in contravention of Section 56 Road Traffic Act 1961 i.e. The person driving the vehicle is not insured to drive the concerned vehicle.
The person driving the vehicle refuses or fails to produce there and then a driving licence then having effect and licensing him/her to drive the vehicle, when production of such a licence is demanded of him/her by a member of An Garda Sh under Section 40(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1961 and the member is of the opinion that the person is by reason of his/her age ineligible to hold a driving licence, licensing him/her to drive the vehicle.
There is no road tax in force for a period of 2 months or greater.

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=1727

Your own link makes your story seem untrue. It clearly says the tax must be out 2 months yet you said the neighbours was out 6 weeks.

punisher5112

If you want an honest answer very few done what they said they would but the ones that were good and decent were a credit to them all.


Had one a few years back fabricate evidence and made up shocking amount of stuff to get my case into court 4 times with not a single ounce of legitimate evidence.


He sided with a taxi driver and tried to destroy my career.....


Believe it or not I still like to think there are decent ones out there so I can't tar them all with the one brush.

kerrylad1

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes. Imagine having to search young 10 year olds.??
What king of perverse being would use 10 year olds to carry drugs. Disgraceful.

I don't know if ur being sarcastic or not.But I will never forget,how sickened I was.Those kids will grow up to hate the guards,no matter what.In communities like that,the guards should be trying to integrate with the kids.Not paint them all with the same brush.

Aongus Von Bismarck

I don't live in Ireland, so don't have any day-to-day dealings with the Gardaí. If they man the passport control booths in Dublin Airport, then they are a friendly, if inefficient, group of people.

When I was home in Galway for the Christmas I had to visit the local Garda station. Only 10 minutes earlier I was at the local filling station, putting petrol in the BMW hire car. As I was walking through the forecourt on my way into pay, I was nearly run over by some peanut-headed moron driving one of those disgraceful modified cars. I was able to take his registration details, along with the details of all the other modified cars that seemed to be using the carpark of the service station as a get together spot. I had no doubt they would be soon be racing and doing 'donuts' on some isolated road. They also appeared to be using exhausts that contravened noise pollution laws.

The young Garda who met me in reception and took down my details and report was extremely helpful. She even offered me a chocolate from a Roses tin they had open. I get the feeling she fancied Aongus, but I'll be honest: she really wasn't my sort. Vey agricultural looking sort of woman, with those unmistakeable Irish teeth.

corner of hells

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I don't live in Ireland, so don't have any day-to-day dealings with the Gardaí. If they man the passport control booths in Dublin Airport, then they are a friendly, if inefficient, group of people.

When I was home in Galway for the Christmas I had to visit the local Garda station. Only 10 minutes earlier I was at the local filling station, putting petrol in the BMW hire car. As I was walking through the forecourt on my way into pay, I was nearly run over by some peanut-headed moron driving one of those disgraceful modified cars. I was able to take his registration details, along with the details of all the other modified cars that seemed to be using the carpark of the service station as a get together spot. I had no doubt they would be soon be racing and doing 'donuts' on some isolated road. They also appeared to be using exhausts that contravened noise pollution laws.

The young Garda who met me in reception and took down my details and report was extremely helpful. She even offered me a chocolate from a Roses tin they had open. I get the feeling she fancied Aongus, but I'll be honest: she really wasn't my sort. Vey agricultural looking sort of woman, with those unmistakeable Irish teeth.

Bless you , Aongus , for walking amongst the mere mortals.

decky1

weldoninhio wrote: »

So your experience is that they don’t do their job properly??

excuse me, that wasn't the question.:rolleyes:

kingchess

Funny thing is all the decent people will accept questions from a Garda who might be in a bad mood, while the scum bags will laugh in his face and tell him to f..k off.All the gardai I met were very polite at check points etc.

punisher5112

They really need to cop on and treat the hard working decent folk properly and at least have them on side.

kerrylad1

kingchess wrote: »

Funny thing is all the decent people will accept questions from a Garda who might be in a bad mood, while the scum bags will laugh in his face and tell him to f..k off.All the gardai I met were very polite at check points etc.

If you think all the guards are polite.You must live in cookoo land.Just look how they treated the whistle blower, Maurice mccabe.From the top to the bottom,the force is riddled with ,what's the word you used above,oh yes, Scumbags.

tayto lover

kerrylad1 wrote: »

If you think all the guards are polite.You must live in cookoo land.Just look how they treated the whistle blower, Maurice mccabe.From the top to the bottom,the force is riddled with ,what's the word you used above,oh yes, Scumbags.

Ah the real you coming out now

kingchess

kerrylad1 wrote: »

If you think all the guards are polite.You must live in cookoo land.Just look how they treated the whistle blower, Maurice mccabe.From the top to the bottom,the force is riddled with ,what's the word you used above,oh yes, Scumbags.

Where did I say I think all Guards are polite?????:mad:

kerrylad1

kingchess wrote: »

Where did I say I think all Guards are polite?????:mad:

Check your previous post.You said every guard you have met were polite.I have relatives and 1 close friend who are members.I wouldn't do their job for all the money in the world.Some of the things that they have witnessed would make you shudder.But I have seen first hand,the fat ban garda,treating kids like criminals,Just cause their from a certain area.You wander then why those youngsters grow up to hate the force.

Allinall

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Check your previous post.You said every guard you have met were polite.I have relatives and 1 close friend who are members.I wouldn't do their job for all the money in the world.Some of the things that they have witnessed would make you shudder.But I have seen first hand,the fat ban garda,treating kids like criminals,Just cause their from a certain area.You wander then why those youngsters grow up to hate the force.

Personal insults.

Stay classy .

kerrylad1

Allinall wrote: »

Personal insults.

Stay classy .

What are you on about?

blackcard

I have always found them courteous and professional. Apart from people in the medical area, I have not come across any other profession that I had such a positive experience.

kingchess

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Check your previous post.You said every guard you have met were polite.I have relatives and 1 close friend who are members.I wouldn't do their job for all the money in the world.Some of the things that they have witnessed would make you shudder.But I have seen first hand,the fat ban garda,treating kids like criminals,Just cause their from a certain area.You wander then why those youngsters grow up to hate the force.

Getting closer -I said every garda I met was polite-true. I never said all gardai are polite, which is what you seem to think I said .

weldoninhio

decky1 wrote: »

excuse me, that wasn't the question.:rolleyes:

The question is “your experiences with Gardai”, you related your experience in which the Garda didn’t do their job, I then asked if your experience was that the Gardai didn’t do their job properly.

The question marks after my question should have given it away. This is a question mark. ?

Cocobongo

There’s definitely good and bad people working as guards out there.
Have been dealing with them for a few times and mostly the people skills they had were excellent, but also met a couple of bad ones once, when they decided stop and ask me if i was drunk at an early morning hours and when i said i don’t drink since i had a heart surgery recently they both started showing signs of snorting drugs whilst looking at me and telling me that i still look very suspicious to them (seems funny, but the smiles they had on their faces at the time looked like they just decided to make fun of me).. not the best way to deal with people, just drug test or breathalyse me if you’d like instead of taking a piss..

poo poo

Gardai are in the most part excellent - You try being completely curteous to a guy speeding when half an hr earlier you might have seen a mangled baby being puLled out of an RTC.

As said earlier, if you have an issue with the Gardai, you are most likely a complete scumfúck

Icemancometh

poo poo wrote: »

Gardai are in the most part excellent - You try being completely curteous to a guy speeding when half an hr earlier you might have seen a mangled baby being puLled out of an RTC.

As said earlier, if you have an issue with the Gardai, you are most likely a complete scumfúck

Yeah, Frank McBrearty and Maurice McCabe are such lowlifes.

kerrylad1

poo poo wrote: »

Gardai are in the most part excellent - You try being completely curteous to a guy speeding when half an hr earlier you might have seen a mangled baby being puLled out of an RTC.

As said earlier, if you have an issue with the Gardai, you are most likely a complete scumfúck

Utter bull****e.Is Maurice mccabe, as you so beautifully phrase it,(scum****)?

kerrylad1

Allinall wrote: »

Personal insults.

Stay classy .

Since you're so offended by me saying what I saw 15 years ago,that I called the ban garda fat. I will rephrase my comments so,she wasn't fat,she was pleasantly plump.

lonewolf1961

All garda are very nice once you do what they tell you ! .

poo poo

Icemancometh wrote: »

Yeah, Frank McBrearty and Maurice McCabe are such lowlifes.

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Utter bull****e.Is Maurice mccabe, as you so beautifully phrase it,(scum****)?

Issue - I meant if your one of these people who responds to someones video of a guard arresting someone by calling them pig scum etc etc etc, Not an actual "issue"

RustyNut

poo poo wrote: »

As said earlier, if you have an issue with the Gardai, you are most likely a complete scumfúck

Here's what Judge Smythic found after taking a long detailed look at AGS. In your world is he a "complete scumfúck"?

Judge Peter Smithwick has unleashed a blistering attack on the Garda - accusing it of prizing loyalty over honesty.

The tribunal chairman said he was depressed and disheartened that a culture still exists in the force where its reputation takes priority over everything else.https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/loyalty-is-prized-above-honesty-smithwick-attacks-garda-culture-29806583.html

poo poo

RustyNut wrote: »

Here's what Judge Smythic found after taking a long detailed look at AGS. In your world is he a "complete scumfúck"?

Im sure your judge was talking about the top end of garda management and not on the ground bodies who work tirelessly to ensure you can sleep safe in your bed, all the while being under staffed, under equipped, under supported and under funded!

Frontline Gardai and nurses in this country should be on double their current wages! They do an exemplary job in 99.9% of cases.

cycle4fun

poo poo wrote: »

Frontline Gardai and nurses in this country should be on double their current wages! They do an exemplary job in 99.9% of cases.

And Gardai should be able to retire after 15 years service, not 30 years as at present.:rolleyes:

You do realise current average industrial wage is even less, without the security and holidays?

poo poo

cycle4fun wrote: »

And Gardai should be able to retire after 15 years service, not 30 years as at present.:rolleyes:

You do realise current average industrial wage is even less, without the security and holidays?

The current average industry job doesnt involve putting your life on the line every day you head to work, dealing with the absolute lowest form of life on the planet, attending murders, suicides, road traffic collisions, informing family members of siblings, parents, childrens, deaths, Being spat at, scrutinized, recorded, abused, assaulted.

Your right tho - should be 3 times the average!

weldoninhio

poo poo wrote: »

The current average industry job doesnt involve putting your life on the line every day you head to work, dealing with the absolute lowest form of life on the planet, attending murders, suicides, road traffic collisions, informing family members of siblings, parents, childrens, deaths, Being spat at, scrutinized, recorded, abused, assaulted.

Your right tho - should be 3 times the average!

It’s mad the way they keep the job spec, and what you’ll be dealing with as a secret until you leave Templemore. Shocking that you can’t look up what a Garda makes before you join too.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/two-garda%C3%AD-allegedly-seen-using-cocaine-in-kildare-nightclub-1.3356142%3fmode=amp

dundalkfc10

poo poo wrote: »

The current average industry job doesnt involve putting your life on the line every day you head to work, dealing with the absolute lowest form of life on the planet, attending murders, suicides, road traffic collisions, informing family members of siblings, parents, childrens, deaths, Being spat at, scrutinized, recorded, abused, assaulted.

Your right tho - should be 3 times the average!

Dont want that kind of life, get a different job!