Fighter jets for the Air Corps?

sparky42

Lorddrakul wrote: »

Seems this debate is getting more air.

Ireland ‘must invest in air and sea defences’, say security experts

Via the Examiner.ie:

"Ireland must invest in its air, sea and cybersecurity to fend off threats from hostile states, such as Russia, a number of military officers and academics have said.

The security experts point to incursions into Irish airspace by Russian aircraft as well as Russian submarine activity near the Irish Sea and highlight the lack of Irish air interception capability, with a dependence on the British RAF.

They highlight the threat to Ireland’s high-tech industry posed by both interference in undersea cables transmitting data across the Atlantic and a lack of investment in cybersecurity.

The experts, writing in the Defence Forces Review 2020, say the establishment of the Commission on the Future of the Defence Forces and the development of Ireland’s first National Security Strategy present opportunities for investment in security infrastructure."

Sadly there's two chances of anything happening.

roadmaster

sparky42 wrote: »

Sadly there's two chances of anything happening.

IF the Russians don't file there flight plan with us we should tip down to the IFSC and have have a word with Mr. Putin's friends account manger and tell them we may have to Freese access to their funds

jonnybigwallet

Another issue to bear in mind is them auld drug smugglers who are now building bigger and better submarines. Time to invest in some ASW capabilities? Perhaps when the new frigate is being specced?

sparky42

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

Another issue to bear in mind is them auld drug smugglers who are now building bigger and better submarines. Time to invest in some ASW capabilities? Perhaps when the new frigate is being specced?

And dare I ask what Frigate is that?

Sgt. Bilko 09

Lorddrakul wrote: »

Seems this debate is getting more air.

Ireland ‘must invest in air and sea defences’, say security experts

Via the Examiner.ie:

"Ireland must invest in its air, sea and cybersecurity to fend off threats from hostile states, such as Russia, a number of military officers and academics have said.

The security experts point to incursions into Irish airspace by Russian aircraft as well as Russian submarine activity near the Irish Sea and highlight the lack of Irish air interception capability, with a dependence on the British RAF.

They highlight the threat to Ireland’s high-tech industry posed by both interference in undersea cables transmitting data across the Atlantic and a lack of investment in cybersecurity.

The experts, writing in the Defence Forces Review 2020, say the establishment of the Commission on the Future of the Defence Forces and the development of Ireland’s first National Security Strategy present opportunities for investment in security infrastructure."

Irish governments approach will be laughable to this. We need to seriously look at our security and cyber security systems. But I think Coveney and Co will probably go along the lines of putting a post in every county with an RPG and Give the ESB binoculars to looks for submariners messing with the CAT5s.

Leonidas BL

sparky42 wrote: »

And dare I ask what Frigate is that?

Probably Jonnys new Anti surface/air/submarine/battleship/spaceship battle Frigate were getting

Sgt. Bilko 09

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Probably Jonnys new Anti surface/air/submarine/battleship/spaceship battle Frigate were getting

L.E. E.I.E.I.O

jonnybigwallet

https://youtu.be/TLHGY-VNh58

Leonidas BL

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

https://youtu.be/TLHGY-VNh58

What would it take to get you to understand that this jet and jets like it are not worth a sh1te to Ireland???

Heraldoffreeent

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

https://youtu.be/TLHGY-VNh58

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD_2PQVdz_M&ab_channel=HistoricalMachinesTV

Lorddrakul

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

https://youtu.be/TLHGY-VNh58

The primary role of any fast jets here would be interceptor/interdictor.

As such, these kind of advanced trainers would be no use at all in a scramble situation to intercept a Bear-H - it wouldn't even be able to catch it at top speed.

The idea has already been floated here that Ireland could send pilots abroad to train. For example, if we had F-16s we could send them to Holland, to Sweden for Gripens, or France for Rafales (I wish!).

It would not be economical to have training aircraft here for what would essentially be a single squadron.

V8 Interceptor

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

https://youtu.be/TLHGY-VNh58

That's impressive Johnny. Do you think we should invest in some of these?

Larbre34

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

That's impressive Johnny. Do you think we should invest in some of these?

Please don't.

Sgt. Bilko 09

Larbre34 wrote: »

Please don't.

I think he did man lol.

jonnybigwallet

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.britishpathe.com/video/eire-menaced-by-germany&ved=2ahUKEwi6sIX58NntAhWKTBUIHTJuDQ8QwqsBMAB6BAgBEAM&usg=AOvVaw1Z9IH3UoSK6G8-XVxoccVA

Markcheese

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.britishpathe.com/video/eire-menaced-by-germany&ved=2ahUKEwi6sIX58NntAhWKTBUIHTJuDQ8QwqsBMAB6BAgBEAM&usg=AOvVaw1Z9IH3UoSK6G8-XVxoccVA

Thanks for that , I was looking for that clip on you tube a couple of weeks ago ,and couldn't find it ..

jonnybigwallet

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/vietnam-orders-l-39ng-jets-from-czech-republic

PC 9 replacement due 2025. 8 of these would fit the bill quite nicely as a lead in aircraft pending arrival of Gripens or whatever. Need to get order in soon to get delivery 2025

sparky42

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/vietnam-orders-l-39ng-jets-from-czech-republic

PC 9 replacement due 2025. 8 of these would fit the bill quite nicely as a lead in aircraft pending arrival of Gripens or whatever. Need to get order in soon to get delivery 2025

There is feck all chance that the PC9's are replaced in 2025, 2035 might be more likely.

roadmaster

sparky42 wrote: »

There is feck all chance that the PC9's are replaced in 2025, 2035 might be more likely.

They might spray-paint them instead

sparky42

roadmaster wrote: »

They might spray-paint them instead

Have they even bought the fuel tanks for all of them?

jonnybigwallet

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/vietnam-orders-l-39ng-jets-from-czech-republic

PC 9 replacement due 2025. 8 of these would fit the bill quite nicely as a lead in aircraft pending arrival of Gripens or whatever. Need to get order in soon to get delivery 2025

At 8.2 Million each? 64 Million for 8 of them. I think theres a better chance of the Loch Ness monster moving to Kerry than that happening.

Markcheese

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/vietnam-orders-l-39ng-jets-from-czech-republic

PC 9 replacement due 2025. 8 of these would fit the bill quite nicely as a lead in aircraft pending arrival of Gripens or whatever. Need to get order in soon to get delivery 2025

You really do have a thing for L39 s ..

If they're replacing the pc9s s , it's probably not a bad option , especially if there's a plan to eventually move to jets ..
But considering the Dod s love for Pilatus , they' d probably head to pc21s , ( if only for the lower operating costs ) . Lot of ifs though

Dohvolle

Hang on, so we replace the PC9 (a 1980s aircraft) with an L39 (a 1960s aircraft) to train pilots to fly a 2020s aircraft?

PC21 makes more sense on so many levels, and it will move everyone away from the notion that a flying trainer can defend anything.
The Cost for a LIFT aircraft should not be similar to that of an actual interceptor.
Many thought at the turn of this century that the L159ALCA would be ideal for our purposes. Time has shown us the L159 was a dud. The L39 for the most part is used by former soviet/Warsaw Pact states, who were stuck with them after the end of the Soviet Union. File if you are going on to fly Migs or Sukhois.

jonnybigwallet

New aircraft has been substantially re engineered. L59 was on bidders list before when it was beaten by Pilatus. New aircraft is able to tick all rhe bixes now. The company has been building planes for 100 years. No queztions about competance. The were building aurcraft for the Luftwaffe in WW2. When the present commission gives its report you can bet your life they will recommend a substantial investment in the AC, WHICH IS A BLEEDIN JOKE IN ITS PRESENT FORM.

sparky42

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

New aircraft has been substantially re engineered. L59 was on bidders list before when it was beaten by Pilatus. New aircraft is able to tick all rhe bixes now. The company has been building planes for 100 years. No queztions about competance. The were building aurcraft for the Luftwaffe in WW2. When the present commission gives its report you can bet your life they will recommend a substantial investment in the AC, WHICH IS A BLEEDIN JOKE IN ITS PRESENT FORM.

Spoiler:
No they won't, and even if they did it would go to the same place the PWC report in the 90's that said we needed 12 ships for the Navy... The Shredder.

Dohvolle

sparky42 wrote: »

Spoiler:
No they won't, and even if they did it would go to the same place the PWC report in the 90's that said we needed 12 ships for the Navy... The Shredder.

That's a bit harsh.
Don't you know there is nobody in DoD qualified to operate a shredder. It'll go to landfill.

sparky42

Dohvolle wrote: »

That's a bit harsh.
Don't you know there is nobody in DoD qualified to operate a shredder. It'll go to landfill.

Nah, they'll just fly tip it somewhere when they see the price of getting into the Landfill.

roadmaster

An compare to there civil servant cousins in the Dail, where when they want to spend. PJ we need a printer, How big Tom? The biggest god dam printer we can buy!

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we should buy the viggen

Dohvolle

Steyr 556 wrote: »

we should buy the viggen

I bet you still make toast by holding a slice of bread on a fork in front of the superser.
The 80s is over dude. That Mullet may be cool in OZ but those shoulder pads aint coming back.

I presume you mean "Gripen".