Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

Water John

Another lawyer friend (handled his first divorce) of Trump's tells him, Cohen will flip. 'Everyone facing jail time flips'.

aloyisious

When the Beeb interviewer put a mention by JC that he would be wary of giving President Trump certain Intelligence regarding agents in the field for fear the president would reveal the Int-info publicly to Mr Scaramucci, he [Scaramucci] pointed out how such an action would contradict what was in the book about loyalty to the president without him [Scaramucci] giving any recognition to the danger the president would unnecessarily put the agent, and his info source, in by revealing to the opposition that the US had an agent in their camp. He totally ignored Don's track record in this regard and the Beeb interviewer didn't take him up on it. This was just after she referred to Don as Trump without the prefix of "President", which she was politely reminded of by her guest. The interview ended there.

Professor Moriarty

Interesting article from Reuters. Apparently Trump has been assured by Rosenstein that he is not a target of the Mueller investigation but that he is a subject. A target is a person who is suspected of having committed a criminal offence whereas a subject is a person who falls within the scope of the investigation.

This, of course, could be Rosenstein trying to save his own bacon lest Trump fire him to get at Mueller. However, a Yale law professor believes this isn't important as a subject can quickly switch to being a target. I wonder how much Rosenstein is being told by the FBI. My bet is not the whole truth.

Mumha

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Interesting article from Reuters. Apparently Trump has been assured by Rosenstein that he is not a target of the Mueller investigation but that he is a subject. A target is a person who is suspected of having committed a criminal offence whereas a subject is a person who falls within the scope of the investigation.

This, of course, could be Rosenstein trying to save his own bacon lest Trump fire him to get at Mueller. However, a Yale law professor believes this isn't important as a subject can quickly switch to being a target. I wonder how much Rosenstein is being told by the FBI. My bet is not the whole truth.

Rosenstein is playing with words, which is fine.

Hurrache

Apparently Giuliani has joined Trump's legal team saying he hopes to negotiate an end to Mueller's investigation, as well as a husband and wife legal team who specialise in white collar crime.

Mumha

This is surprising, considering Geoffrey Berman (Guiliani's law partner) is the current temporary DA for SDNY.

There's a great comment i saw

"The first recorded instance of a rat jumping onto a sinking ship."

Rudy Giuliani Is Joining Trumps Legal Team

"...President Donald Trump’s legal team has a new member: Rudy Giuliani.

The former prosecutor and New York City mayor told The Washington Post that he plans to help the president navigate the special counsel investigation...."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rudy-giuliani-trump-special-counsel_us_5ad905a1e4b03c426dacb83e

Hurrache

And in other bizarre news, climate change denier with no scientific background (former navy pilot) has been confirmed by the senate to head NASA.

Bridenstine will become the first elected official to hold the NASA administrator job. He joins a Cabinet already loaded with people who question the near-universal scientific consensus that climate change is real and that human activity is the primary cause.
..,..
The former Navy Reserve pilot previously served as executive director of the Air and Space Museum & Planetarium in Tulsa, Oklahoma. During his tenure, the nonprofit suffered financial losses, and an investigation by the Project On Government Oversight found that Bridenstine used the nonprofit’s resources to benefit a company he co-owned, according to a report from The Daily Beast this week.

You had a good thing going NASA.

Professor Moriarty

Mumha wrote: »

Rosenstein is playing with words, which is fine.

Yeah, if I worked for The Donald I'd do exactly the same. Tell him what he wants to hear.

Professor Moriarty

Mumha wrote: »

This is surprising, considering Geoffrey Berman (Guiliani's law partner) is the current temporary DA for SDNY.

There's a great comment i saw

"The first recorded instance of a rat jumping onto a sinking ship."

Classic.

josip

Hurrache wrote: »

And in other bizarre news, climate change denier with no scientific background (former navy pilot) has been confirmed by the senate to head NASA.

Overrunning budgets would see him well qualified to be the NASA Administrator
Sheperd, Schirra, Lovell were all Navy pilots so he's got a good pedigree.

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Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Yeah, if I worked for The Donald I'd do exactly the same. Tell him what he wants to hear.

Maybe it's the reality?

In other news Andrew McCabe has been referred for criminal charges.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/19/criminal-charges-recommended-for-fired-fbi-official-andrew-mccabe.html

"The Department of Justice received a referral recommending criminal charges against former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, a legal source familiar with the issue told NBC News Thursday. The referral recommended charging McCabe with lying to federal investigators."

Professor Moriarty

2 Scoops wrote: »

Maybe it's the reality?

In other news Andrew McCabe has been referred for criminal charges.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/19/criminal-charges-recommended-for-fired-fbi-official-andrew-mccabe.html

"The Department of Justice received a referral recommending criminal charges against former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, a legal source familiar with the issue told NBC News Thursday. The referral recommended charging McCabe with lying to federal investigators."

If it's the reality, why is Trump lawyering up bigly specifically for Mueller as we speak?

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Professor Moriarty wrote: »

If it's the reality, why is Trump lawyering up bigly specifically for Mueller as we speak?

Bigly probes need bigly lawyers. No better man to have than Giuliani in there imo.

everlast75

2 Scoops wrote: »

Maybe it's the reality?

In other news Andrew McCabe has been referred for criminal charges.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/19/criminal-charges-recommended-for-fired-fbi-official-andrew-mccabe.html

"The Department of Justice received a referral recommending criminal charges against former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, a legal source familiar with the issue told NBC News Thursday. The referral recommended charging McCabe with lying to federal investigators."

Yep. And there is considerable opinion that charges won't ultimately be brought.

On the other hand, McCabe is thinking of suing. DJT's own tweets will be exhibit 'A'.

Another case of Trump's big mouth leading him into trouble

everlast75

2 Scoops wrote: »

Bigly probes need bigly lawyers. No better man to have than Giuliani in there imo.

A guy who DJT wanted as AG but couldn't get his own party to endorse... yep! That's the guy i definitely would want on Trump's team!

He also said he hopes to bring the russia case to a conclusion within a few weeks. In 2 months has will be bounced back off the team for not delivering

PS - rumours abound this is a play so they both can discuss the russia case and for those discussions tho be attorney client and therefore protected

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Your last two posts contain the words opinion and rumours...

I don't know where you get your info but the politics forum on reddit is nuttier than r/the donald at this point. People are seething, not saying you're one of them but the hysteria is crazy.

The news reports today say Rosenstein told Trump hes not a target in the Cohen or Mueller cases, which is obv subject to change. Giuliani says he's there to negotiate an end to the Mueller probe for the good of America, all PR talk of course so let's see what happens.

To be honest I think the most interesting story is North Korea, I find it very hard to believe they're willingly going to denuclearize. Hard to figure out their angle.

everlast75

2 Scoops wrote: »

Your last two posts contain the words opinion and rumours...

I don't know where you get your info but the politics forum on reddit is nuttier than r/the donald at this point. People are seething, not saying you're one of them but the hysteria is crazy.

The news reports today say Rosenstein told Trump hes not a target in the Cohen or Mueller cases, which is obv subject to change. Giuliani says he's there to negotiate an end to the Mueller probe for the good of America, all PR talk of course so let's see what happens.

To be honest I think the most interesting story is North Korea, I find it very hard to believe they're willingly going to denuclearize. Hard to figure out their angle.

I try to state what is confirmed and what is not.

McCabe's lawyer said thet would bring a case. Whether they will or not - I'm not Mystic Meg, hence my cautioned words.

I mention rumours about Attorney client being used as it is a valid possibility as again, it hasn't happened yet.

As for north Korea, i would have no difficulty praising Trump is he gets something done - No problem - but my worry is that his inadequacy as President leads me to believe that he will make a bad situation worse

everlast75

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/987173366401585155?s=19


Says the guy who leaked Comey's notes within an hour of getting them

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Link to memos.

https://www.scribd.com/document/376854120/2018-4-19-Comey-Memo-Enclosure-Unclassified#from_embed

everlast75

2 Scoops wrote: »

Link to memos.

https://www.scribd.com/document/376854120/2018-4-19-Comey-Memo-Enclosure-Unclassified#from_embed

They do appear to be consistent with what Comey said in his book. So rather than discredit the book, they support it. Another own goal by Nunes i think

jooksavage

They show "no collusion"? Wouldnt it be more accurate to say they don't address the issue? Also, even if there was some morsel of vindication in those memos, they were written over a year ago, months before Mueller started his investigstion. I wonder what kind of memos his team were writing up when they dug out Don Jr's " I love it" email.

Christy42

jooksavage wrote: »

They show "no collusion"? Wouldnt it be more accurate to say they don't address the issue? Also, even if there was some morsel of vindication in those memos, they were written over a year ago, months before Mueller started his investigstion. I wonder what kind of memos his team were writing up when they dug out Don Jr's " I love it" email.

Indeed but accuracy or anything close to the truth is always unlikely with a Trump tweet. He lies constantly (or as
John Oliver put it he does not care, he cares about the truth as much as a duck cares about the next justice in the supreme court).

Honestly it should be taken as read that whatever he says is a lie until shown otherwise. He has too much form with lying every time he speaks.

kilns

Is it time for change in American politics and the creation of a new political movement, both parties are as bad as each other and are at either of end of the spectrum.
If someone with good morals and who is beyond reproach could step forward to lead this fading superpower 
Alas the sesspit that is American politics would not allow it as big business owns both parties, someone like Trump but obviously more stable, less dividing and less narcissistic

Peregrinus

kilns wrote: »

Is it time for change in American politics and the creation of a new political movement, both parties are as bad as each other and are at either of end of the spectrum.
If someone with good morals and who is beyond reproach could step forward to lead this fading superpower 
Alas the sesspit that is American politics would not allow it as big business owns both parties, someone like Trump but obviously more stable, less dividing and less narcissistic

In what sense would such a person be in any way like Trump?

kilns

Nobody is like Trump he is truely unique but in a way that they are relatively independent and not beholding to party politics 
The one thing you could say about Trump is that is he is independent and his own man, he only uses the republicans because he needs him

Peregrinus

kilns wrote: »

Nobody is like Trump he is truely unique but in a way that they are relatively independent and not beholding to party politics 
The one thing you could say about Trump is that is he is independent and his own man, he only uses the republicans because he needs him

Trump is hardly independent or "his own man" if he's in hock to the Russians. Or to other creditors. Or to people who have the pissing-in-a-bed tape.

Mumha

And in the background, Robert Mueller continues on his way...

This goes to the blatant lies that Trump and gang have been putting out, that Mueller has found nothing after a year. We know from former FBI officials etc that Mueller is treating this investigation like he would a mob investigation. Therefore he is working from the outside/small fry, in, using criminal indictments to flip them and get them to provide information on those further up the chain. He will continue to that until he gets enough evidence on the Mr Big.

Kushner Companies Hit With Federal Subpoena

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kushner-companies-hit-with-federal-subpoena?ref=home

2 minutes ago
Kushner Companies Hit With Federal Subpoena
Lucas Jackson/Reuters

Top White House adviser Jared Kushner’s family real-estate company has reportedly been subpoenaed by a federal grand jury. The subpoena, according to The Wall Street Journal, is related to documents that might have been falsified. The Associated Press recently reported that the company submitted documents in New York City claiming it did not have rent-regulated tenants when, in fact, it did. “Kushner Companies has nothing to hide and is cooperating fully with all legitimate requests for information, including this subpoena,” a spokeswoman for the company said. Previously, the firm took “corrective action” immediately on the documents, which the company said were completed by a third-party entity.

everlast75

And hang on another second.

In October, Comey was reliable and a fantastic guy.

Then his book comes out and Comey is a slimeball and a liar.

His memos (according to Trump) show no collusion..... so, he is to be believed again?

And when Comey leaks stuff, that is bang out of order.

But when he leaks it within 45 mins of the memos being submitted to Nunes, that leak is perfectly fine?

Make you're mind up!

DJT flips and flops like no other.

kilns

Peregrinus wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

Nobody is like Trump he is truely unique but in a way that they are relatively independent and not beholding to party politics 
The one thing you could say about Trump is that is he is independent and his own man, he only uses the republicans because he needs him

Trump is hardly independent or "his own man" if he's in hock to the Russians. Or to other creditors.  Or to people who have the pissing-in-a-bed tape.

I hate Trump as much as the next guy but I really think the Russian thing is a big hoax, they meddled probably a bit yes but I dont think in collusion with Trump. But you have to love the Americans, its like living in a movie, they always need a big bad guy and Russia always get portrayed in that role.

Hande hoche!

Was just thinking during the week that you seldom hear much about Kushner these days. Probably a form of damage limitation on their part.