Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

Nox

Itssoeasy wrote: »

circadian wrote: »

Nox wrote: »

Go back and look at the films of Eisenhower and see how he "cleaned" his desk before a photo op. Is it possible that history is repeating itself?

"During his presidency, he was widely seen by critics as an inactive, uninspiring, golf-playing president."

From Wikipedia. I guess there are some similarities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower

I mean fair enough Eisenhower did play a lot of golf(badly) but to be fair to Eisenhower. He had done the United States some service and hadn't been affected by those pesky born spurs prior to becoming the  president of the United States.

I apologize for only making a partial statement. My point was that prior to a photo op, Ike would literally open his top desk drawer and scoop all the papers et al into the drawer and close it … giving the impression of a clean desk. I meant zero disrespect for the man or his Presidency and I hope that I did not give that impression.

Itssoeasy

Also maybe avanatti isn't normally this cocky but in trump, cohen, gulianni he's hardly up against the 1927 yankees.*


*sorry that might be a very confusing comparison. The 1927 New York yankees are considered an all time great baseball team.

Thargor

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/31/politics/martha-stewart-rod-blagojevich-trump-pardons/index.html

Now why would Trump get it into his head that this corrupt democrat in particular suddenly needed his help especially such an open and shut case (Literally caught redhanded selling a Senate seat to the highest bidder, Barack Obamas funnily enough, vacated when he got elected president.)

Trump's comments about Blagojevich come three days after the disgraced Illinois governor published an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal arguing that "the rule of law is under assault in America" and is being "perverted and abused" by some FBI and Justice Department officials -- comments that closely mirrored Trump's recent rhetoric about the Mueller investigation, FBI and Justice Department officials.

So all Blagojevich had to do was write an article warning that the FBI and Justice Departments werent to be trusted and its going to get him a pardon or his sentence commuted? They're really scraping the barrel looking for people to back up Trumps wild Twitter accusations here.

Itssoeasy

Nox wrote: »

I apologize for only making a partial statement. My point was that prior to a photo op, Ike would literally open his top desk drawer and scoop all the papers et al into the drawer and close it … giving the impression of a clean desk. I meant zero disrespect for the man or his Presidency and I hope that I did not give that impression.

No apology necessary friend. I think the difference between president Eisenhower and trump is that while Ike was clearly probably a lot of actually important papers into his top drawer, trump probably has nothing to put in there. Executive time is paper free as we have seen.

BabyCheeses

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Suspiciously Donald like tweet sent from the Melania's twitter.

https://twitter.com/FLOTUS/status/1001912411933364224

Also, Kim Kardashian looking good for a spot in the Justice Department

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1001961235838103552

I thought the Kim thing was a joke...


At first I thought Melania is just trying to avoid the whole presidency thing, I didn't know she was a hostage.

Nox wrote: »

Looks like being a fan of the current POTUS is not a popular thing here. The biggest and best accomplishment of this administration has to do with the courts ... beginning with the Supreme Court followed by the District Courts. Look at what is happening ... and after only 18 months. Trans Pacific. Iran. NOKO. Hostages ... the list goes on.
In a quick response to a prior post ... stay tuned about "lock her up". This deplorable is still waiting for the IG report. Tax cuts ... they sure have helped me. But then "crumbs" Nancy wants to repeal those and increase taxes.
BTW ... the creeps in MS-13 are indeed ANIMALS. Look at photos of their victims and tell me I'm wrong. Having said that, I anticipate that someone will ... but I doubt the will have looked at the photos.

Nominating a supreme court judge as the president is like me writing code at work. It's a basic part of the job.

RIGOLO wrote: »

I think most people should put the whole TPP discussion to bed .

Anyone who thinks Trump was a fool to tear it up and take America out of it , must also think Hilary Clinton is a fool, because she said she would do the exact same thing.

The main thing you're forgetting is that Clinton supports have the ability to dislike something about her. It's a strange concept but you don't have to twist every situation into her being right.

RIGOLO

[font=Arial, sans-serif]TPP has been a litmus test.[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]Most people were not even aware of it before DT decided not to participate .
Im pretty sure until the main stream media said Trump was pulling out , 90% of the people who said he was crazy didn’t even know about the TPP . Personally Ive been concerned and monitoring it since 2015. [/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]Its not just the high profile Bernie, HRC and DT , heres a list of people all AGAINST TPP from the get go[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]The National Farmers Union of America – 2015
https://nfu.org/2015/11/05/nfu-says-tpp-will-fail-family-farmers-and-ranchers/[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]250 Tech Companies and Californians – came out agsint TPP May 2015
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/20/hundreds-tech-companies-oppose-tpp-trade-agreement[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]200 of the US Leading Economists and Legal scholars wrote a letter to Congress urging it to reject the TPP  Sept 2016 https://www.democracynow.org/2016/9/8/leading_economists_oppose_tpp_provision_giving[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]The LGBTQ community ‘Prde@Work’ came out (pun intended) in Feb 2016 against the TPP
http://www.prideatwork.org/tpp-signing-undermines-u-s-commitment-to-lgbtq-equality-and-the-fight-against-hivaids/[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]The EFF , Digital Rights activists were opposed to TPP from the start, again 2015
https://act.eff.org/action/tell-congress-to-vote-no-on-the-tpp[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]The Democratic National Convention had an anti-TPP protest in early 2016
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-26/quicktake-q-a-why-democrats-are-chanting-no-tpp-at-convention[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]Cancer patients opposed the TPP, on World Cancer day Feb 4 2016 , cancer patients was arrested expressing rejection for TPP , as they felt it was a ‘death sentence’ for cancer patients.
http://buzzflash.com/commentary/zahara-heckscher-51-with-advanced-breast-cancer-arrested-for-protesting-to-stop-tpp-passage-in-lame-duck-session[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]Over 2000 organisations , including County Municipal workers, American Federation of Teachers , MOVEON.ORG, Food&Water Watch, APRIL 27^th 2015
https://www.citizenstrade.org/ctc/blog/2015/04/27/2009-organizations-call-on-congress-to-oppose-fast-track-authority-for-the-tpp/[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]There was even a rock concert tour of musicians organised against TPP , featuring Jello Biafra (remember the Dead Kennedys, Alternative Tentacles, one of the godfathers of Punk Rock)
https://www.rockagainstthetpp.org/[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]There was also an Artists, actors and musicians collective established to oppose TPP APRIL 2016
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/musicians-and-artists-rock-against-the-tpp-748124227776[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]Somoene here posted a comment  “The main thing you're forgetting is that Clinton supports have the ability to dislike something about her. It's a strange concept but you don't have to twist every situation into her being right.[/font] “
[font=Arial, sans-serif]Well by all means you can do that, but just remember that your not only disagreeing with DT, Clinton and Bernie, but your also disagreeing with all of the above Ive listed and with the 2000 plus social, cultural, environmental, grass roots organisations who opposed the TPP and can be found here[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]https://www.citizenstrade.org/ctc/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/FastTrackOppositionLtr_042715.pdf[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]The enemy of my enemy is my friend. People have forgotten this proverb . And unfortunately many of the groups who opposed TPP remained silent when DT delivered to them exactly what they wanted. reasons for that are for another day and forum .

Although in fairness The telegraph did a great article on this giving credit to the grass roots protests, and seeing DTs action as merely giving them what they had fought for since 2015, (much of the above Ive taken from)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/28/tpp-protests-mass-opposition-worked-trump-presidency[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]The real story is that an unprecedented, international uprising of people from across the political spectrum took on some of the most powerful institutions in the world, and won[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]There was never a majority of support for the pact in Congress. That’s why it was never implemented.[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]The TPP is a massive global deal that was negotiated in secret with hundreds of corporate advisers given special access while the public was locked out. It would have handed multinational corporations like Walmart, AT&T and Monsanto extraordinary new powers over everything from the wages we earn, to the way we use the internet, to the safety of the food we feed our children.[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]Tens of thousands of people joined mass protests in Japan, Peru, Australia, New Zealand and other Pacific Rim nations. [/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif] [/font]

amandstu

Anyone listened to these recordings and is up to speed on the surrounding story?

https://twitter.com/hashtag/ReleaseTheTapes?src=hash

Seems like it could be important but I find the sound quality a bit hard and am not sure how the court proceedings are going.

Gwen Cooper

amandstu wrote: »

Anyone listened to these recordings and is up to speed on the surrounding story?

https://twitter.com/hashtag/ReleaseTheTapes?src=hash

Seems like it could be important but I find the sound quality a bit hard and am not sure how the court proceedings are going.

This is the first time I'm hearing about it, but, to quote DonDon himself, "huge if true".

everlast75

amandstu wrote: »

Anyone listened to these recordings and is up to speed on the surrounding story?

https://twitter.com/hashtag/ReleaseTheTapes?src=hash

Seems like it could be important but I find the sound quality a bit hard and am not sure how the court proceedings are going.

The tapes have not been released!?

According to Cohen's lawyers, they are under lock and key.

Avenatti says he has a source who confirmed that Trump is on one of the tapes.

zom

Inquitus wrote: »

Here we go Trade War in 3,2,1. Trump puts tariff's on EU Steel and Aluminium imports to the US

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44320221

So we can close that Russian Alumina Plant in Aughinish. USA will use Australian aluminium now..

LeinsterDub

https://twitter.com/stephenfry/status/1002521487583121411?s=17

The likes and shares on this tweet are going mental.

Pelvis

Oh c'mon. I think he's as much of a racist as everyone else does, but it doesn't look like that priest (?) had any desire to interact with him, no eye contact or anything.

This kind of thing only reinforces his defenders for when he does do something heinous.

LeinsterDub

Pelvis wrote: »

Oh c'mon. I think he's as much of a racist as everyone else does, but it doesn't look like that priest (?) had any desire to interact with him, no eye contact or anything.

This kind of thing only reinforces his defenders for when he does do something heinous.

I tend to agree with you , the optics of it weren't very good on my phone when i viewed it initially but it could be a simple case of the priest having something in his hand or simply not being interested in Trump.

everlast75

Pelvis wrote: »

This kind of thing only reinforces his defenders for when he does do something heinous.

It's maddening isn't it?

Trump behaves like he does, flat out lies 24/7 and his supporters have no issue, but if the sane people in the world make one mistake (like using photos from Obama's time of photos of children sleeping in cages) Trump and supporters are all over it screaming Fake News.

amandstu

Well done that man. Now start a trend.

Maybe the kneelers could start carrying maces instead (until they are sent to their locker rooms for disrespect to the Oaf in chief)

everlast75

Rudi said 2 weeks ago or so that impeachment is pretty much inevitable.

He said he isn't worried on the collusion front.

So, angling for the impeachment issue, he admitted that will come down to what the constituents will direct their representatives on how to vote. Its for that reason the PR war on the "Deep State" continues.

Admitting and preparing for impeachment, look at how the latest pardon and 2 that are expected thereafter fits in with that danger.

DeSouza was guilty of campaign finance violations. Cohen is in trouble for that.

Blagojevich was caught "on tape" selling Obama's seat. There are supposed to be tapes of Cohen/Trump.

Stewart is a plain old celebrity that went to jail.. as might Trump be.

At this stage he isn't even hiding it. He knows he is screwed and is going all out.

These pardons are more evidence in the obstruction column I reckon.

amandstu

Okay ,lets suppose he is guilty and of something in the broad impeachment area ,what is people's best guess to what he may actually have done (as distinct from what he may be charged with)

My feeling is reckless indifference and toleration of openly criminal associates (enough to impeach successfully I don't know).

But I would also plump for obstruction of justice and feel more confident about that.

Very surprised by the way if Fry was implying Trump was being deliberately disrespectful(almost feel sorry for him if that was possible)

everlast75

amandstu wrote: »

Okay ,lets suppose he is guilty and of something in the broad impeachment area ,what is people's best guess to what he may actually have done (as distinct from what he may be charged with)

My feeling is reckless indifference and toleration of openly criminal associates (enough to impeach successfully I don't know).

But I would also plump for obstruction of justice and feel more confident about that.

There's a long long list.

Emoulement issues, obstruction, collusion, money laundering, campaign finance violations, using his position to go after his perceived enemies, (which was one of the charges against Nixon) Jim Bezos. That's just off the top of my head

MadYaker

Obstruction of justice or something related to campaign finances is probably most likely but I wouldn’t say impeachment is a given. Depends on what the layout of Congress looks like after mid terms I think.

amandstu

MadYaker wrote: »

Obstruction of justice or something related to campaign finances is probably most likely but I wouldn’t say impeachment is a given. Depends on what the layout of Congress looks like after mid terms I think.

Unless there is a smoking gun then it looks like the Repubs will stick with him (so no impeachment) so long as they have a majority in the House(s). Will be fun watching them scatter if they don't.

amandstu

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/stephenfry/status/1002521487583121411?s=17

The likes and shares on this tweet are going mental.

Acc to Fry it was not sent by him and he suspects his twitter account was hacked (not that he disapproved of the post)

Wonder what was up.

(his book looks interesting)

Infini

amandstu wrote: »

Unless there is a smoking gun then it looks like the Repubs will stick with him (so no impeachment) so long as they have a majority in the House(s). Will be fun watching them scatter if they don't.

5 months till mid terms...

Itssoeasy

Trump isn't even trying to be subtle at this point. I mean he makes nixon look like a criminal mastermind. I'll be honest listening to the cohen tape that Lawrence o Donnell played on his show last night Michael cohen comes across as a nasty piece of work, but maybe he's just a mirror of his boss trump.

Btw, seeing as SHS tried to muddy the waters on trumps tweet to claim there was double standard. ESPN Did suspend the employee for violating their social media policy and the ABC personality caller VP pence personally to apologise and made an on air Mea aculpa. So, shock horror there isn't a double standard.

VinLieger

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Trump isn't even trying to be subtle at this point. I mean he makes nixon look like a criminal mastermind.

John Oliver called it exactly what it is a year ago "Stupid Watergate"

manual_man

amandstu wrote: »

Acc to Fry it was not sent by him and he suspects his twitter account was hacked (not that he disapproved of the post)

Wonder what was up.

(his book looks interesting)

What did the tweet say?

Itssoeasy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxHz18_LQIM

This isn't actually what was played on the show I said in the last post, it's actually more. I'd not heard the part about the Miss USA until now. That sounds slightly sinister.

aloyisious

manual_man wrote: »

What did the tweet say?

It was a video clip on one of the last rwo pages showing Don shaking the right hands of senior clergy at a UK church event. The 4th person approaching Don is holding a mace and seem's to be transferring it to his right hand and shoulder as he near's Don so he and Don weren't able to shate hands. A colourful aspect of the clip is noticable.

amandstu

manual_man wrote: »

What did the tweet say?

Someone (a hacker?) just tweeted this video along with a supposed comment of "wow" by Fry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bCV5AZMGY

It is quite an old video but obviously genuine and open to interpretation.

Captain Obvious

Donald Trump briefly spoke to reporters before boarding Air Force One yesterday, and the president talked about traveling to Texas, where "we're going to have a little fun today."

It was an odd choice of words: Trump was scheduled to meet with family members who lost loved ones at the recent mass shooting in a Houston-area high school. "Fun" wasn't really the point.

Crikey

looksee

If you look carefully at the handshaking clip, the man with the mace actually transferred it to his right shoulder as he comes into picture. He was the one that didn't want to shake hands, put Trump's nose out of joint!