Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

RIGOLO

If you want to understand the recent polling numbers (Dems leading Republicans by 6% ) for the midterm elections, you could do worse than listen to this weeks fivethirtyeight podcast. Some of the other polls are an aggregration of a bunch of polls, but the big one is whats called the  'Generic Congressional Ballot.
 
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/politics-podcast-things-are-looking-worse-for-the-democrats/

Interesting title .... things are looking worse for democrats 

If you dont have time , the short version is the Democrats lead has shrunk from double digits to 6% , and last week it was actually 4%. This poll is for registered reps and dems, when asked a generic question, will you vote rep or dem in November. 
At this rate of decline the contributors to the podcast including Nate Silver himself think the democrats should be worried.  
Or something like that, enjoy the bank holiday everyone its too nice a weekend to get too worked up over it all. Its a poll and I dont think people should get too worked up about those.

StringerBell

Wouldn't say many will get worked up over it, what it should serve a purpose in doing is remind the Dem voters that complacency is what kills them and they need to actually vote.

There was less than 40% turnout last mid terms, if those numbers don't get significantly higher not much will change. There are more Democrat voters than Republican but one side is better at getting it's vote out lately.

Itssoeasy

I don't understand where Donald trump is getting this view that he has the right to pardon himself. If that was the case then why didn't nixon do it ? Oh that's right he asked the justice department if he could and they said no.

Has something changed in the preceding decades that now makes it a possibility ? Or is it just Donald trump being Donald trump ?

everlast75

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I don't understand where Donald trump is getting this view that he has the right to pardon himself. If that was the case then why didn't nixon do it ? Oh that's right he asked the justice department if he could and they said no.

Has something changed in the preceding decades that now makes it a possibility ? Or is it just Donald trump being Donald trump ?

The subpoenas are coming. There's no other explanation. The more desperate he is, the closer the end game is...

pixelburp

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I don't understand where Donald trump is getting this view that he has the right to pardon himself. If that was the case then why didn't nixon do it ? Oh that's right he asked the justice department if he could and they said no.

Has something changed in the preceding decades that now makes it a possibility ? Or is it just Donald trump being Donald trump ?

Simple: Trump still operates under the presumption that being President is like being CEO of Trump Inc. - never once has he given any indication that he understands the American Constitution, countless quotations, remarks, and Tweets have demonstrated this, irrefutably IMO. It's not a stretch to come to the conclusion that he believes being President, he can do what he wants, especially also given his love for the likes of Duterte or Putin.

Nody

pixelburp wrote: »

Simple: Trump still operates under the presumption that being President is like being CEO of Trump Inc. - never once has he given any indication that he understands the American Constitution, countless quotations, remarks, and Tweets have demonstrated this, irrefutably IMO. It's not a stretch to come to the conclusion that he believes being President, he can do what he wants, especially also given his love for the likes of Duterte or Putin.

Well it goes a bit further than that; it's Trump's selective hearing. Part of his legal team argued that he might have the power to pardon himself / not need to go to a hearing if called as the head of the state and hence head of the investigation by proxy. To trump that means because he likes it that means it has to be true; ergo his twitter claims. From the legal expert opinions I've seen it's not a clear cut case either way but most lean towards that he can not but only a supreme court case would make the call. How that would go would be interesting in and of itself but as they tend to be following the law by the letter rather than intent and since article 2 section has the following:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Which would be moot if the president can simply pardon himself out of anything which most likely points to them ruling against him on the topic.

everlast75

Forecasts for this week's shítshow?

My forecast is Mueller subpoenas or news Manafort has flipped

Hande hoche!

everlast75 wrote: »

Forecasts for this week's shhow?

My forecast is Mueller subpoenas or news Manafort has flipped

Going with more trade war shenanigans. Figure the big Mueller related stories will be the second half of the month.

Water John

The NK meeting is in a week. Doubt any player will impinge on that, except Don himself. Might be seen as an, unpatriotic gesture.

Leroy42

Isn't it telling that it was about this time last year that Trump stated that he was 100% ready to talk to Mueller, even looking forward to it, and now we are in the space where his legal team is sending 20 page letters explaining not only that he doesn't want to but that he doesn't even need to.

Captain Obvious

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Going with more trade war shenanigans. Figure the big Mueller related stories will be the second half of the month.

The trade wars are the distraction. There will be Mueller related news to distract form too.

amandstu

Is no one going to comment on the abhorrent absurdity of the President pardoning himself? Not only has Giuliani suggested it but his spokeswoman also with what passes for a straight face.

From what I can gather people are not rolling around in the aisles at the ridiculousness of the concept.

Sic transit all reason.

Not that this episode is much more absurd than what has gone before.Is there no end to this?

StringerBell

SC office has alleged Manafort has engaged in witness tampering and are after filing an order asking the courts to revoke his bail.

Just breaking on CNN now

New crimes/charges to add to the rest now too. ****storm incoming

BonnieSituation

amandstu wrote: »

Is no one going to comment on the abhorrent absurdity of the President pardoning himself? Not only has Giuliani suggested it but his spokeswoman also with what passes for a straight face.

From what I can gather people are not rolling around in the aisles at the ridiculousness of the concept.

Sic transit all reason.

Not that this episode is much more absurd than what has gone before.Is there no end to this?

StringerBell has just answered your last question.

Madness.

aloyisious

Ref Don and his lawyer saying he can pardon himself, couldn't that be construed as an admission that Don, since taking up office, has committed Federal Law offences or is it just another of his fake news story from the Oval Office winding people up?

jooksavage

More trouble for Manafort. Mueller team have presented evidence of witness tampering and are asking a federal judge to reconsider terms of his bail. This could result in Manafort going to jail between now and his trial and goes to show how desperate, stupid or both Manafort actually is.

Wanderer78

aloyisious wrote:

Ref Don and his lawyer saying he can pardon himself, couldn't that be construed as an admission that Don, since taking up office, has committed Federal Law offences or is it just another of his fake news story from the Oval Office winding people up?

A narcissist being a narcissist, imho

Christy42

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/trump-eagles-nfl/index.html

From the sillier world of Donald and what offends him next.

He gets offended that not enough Eagles wanted to see him and cancels the visit (presumably it would have looked bad with him and only a few players). Decides to make it about the national anthem (which the Eagles respected during the season) but who cares about facts right?

RIGOLO

DT war on the opioid crisis in America continues.
5 more states have filed class action law suits.
[font=Arial, sans-serif]This plague is rampant in middle class, affluent areas , Democratic states, as you can see from the recent states filing. [/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]Opioid Class Action Suit Filed in Five States[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]https://www.policymed.com/2018/05/opioid-class-action-suit-filed-in-five-states.html[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]The law firms filed suits on behalf of plaintiffs in five different federal courts: [/font][font=Arial, sans-serif]California, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York.[/font]


[font=Arial, sans-serif]If you think Trump is not winning or delivering on his promises , your mistaken. The opioid crisis was a BIG element of his campaign, huge in fact. And when he spent days and months touring rural , rust belt , mid west, and forgotten communities ravaged by this plague, this topic was one he spoke of a lot.
Hilary never spoke to these communities, chosing to run ads as she flew from fundraiser on the East coast to fundraiser in Hollywood. [/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]This is added to the 41 states who had already initiated suits back in Oct 2017.
[/font][font=Arial, sans-serif]41 state attorneys general subpoena opioid manufacturers[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]https://www.policymed.com/2017/10/class-action-suits-over-opioid-epidemic-ramping-up.html
[/font][font=Arial, sans-serif]https://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/19/health/state-ag-investigation-opioids-subpoenas/index.html[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]Theres an upcoming FDA summit on this, don’t expect the MSM to alert you to any of it, Im sure there will be some tweet or photo involving awkward body-language between DT and Melania that will grab the headlines. [/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]https://www.policymed.com/2018/05/fda-plans-opioid-summit-june-27-2018.html[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]This sort of real initiative , real action on a campaign promise is one of the reasons why the Dems lead in the generic congressional ballot is shortening at a rate of knots to 6% , possibly even 4%. A few more wins like this then maybe Nate Silver is right and Democrats should be worried about the mid-terms.[/font]


[font=Arial, sans-serif]As Ive said before the Democrats need to clean house (literally and figuratively), the party leaders are too old , theres been no evolution in the leadership , HRC losing should have been the alarm bell going off, no point in holding onto the same old leaders and old tired way of doing things, same old tired issues that she rode into town on. Spend less time talking about DT and concentrate on getting their own message across.[/font]

spacecoyote

RIGOLO wrote: »

DT war on the opioid crisis in America continues.
5 more states have filed class action law suits.
[font=Arial, sans-serif]This plague is rampant in middle class, affluent areas , Democratic states, as you can see from the recent states filing. [/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]Opioid Class Action Suit Filed in Five States[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]https://www.policymed.com/2018/05/opioid-class-action-suit-filed-in-five-states.html[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]The law firms filed suits on behalf of plaintiffs in five different federal courts: [/font][font=Arial, sans-serif]California, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York.[/font]


[font=Arial, sans-serif]If you think Trump is not winning or delivering on his promises , your mistaken. The opioid crisis was a BIG element of his campaign, huge in fact. And when he spent days and months touring rural , rust belt , mid west, and forgotten communities ravaged by this plague, this topic was one he spoke of a lot.
Hilary never spoke to these communities, chosing to run ads as she flew from fundraiser on the East coast to fundraiser in Hollywood. [/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]This is added to the 41 states who had already initiated suits back in Oct 2017.
[/font][font=Arial, sans-serif]41 state attorneys general subpoena opioid manufacturers[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]https://www.policymed.com/2017/10/class-action-suits-over-opioid-epidemic-ramping-up.html
[/font][font=Arial, sans-serif]https://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/19/health/state-ag-investigation-opioids-subpoenas/index.html[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]Theres an upcoming FDA summit on this, don’t expect the MSM to alert you to any of it, Im sure there will be some tweet or photo involving awkward body-language between DT and Melania that will grab the headlines. [/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]https://www.policymed.com/2018/05/fda-plans-opioid-summit-june-27-2018.html[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]This sort of real initiative , real action on a campaign promise is one of the reasons why the Dems lead in the generic congressional ballot is shortening at a rate of knots to 6% , possibly even 4%. A few more wins like this then maybe Nate Silver is right and Democrats should be worried about the mid-terms.[/font]


[font=Arial, sans-serif]As Ive said before the Democrats need to clean house (literally and figuratively), the party leaders are too old , theres been no evolution in the leadership , HRC losing should have been the alarm bell going off, no point in holding onto the same old leaders and old tired way of doing things, same old tired issues that she rode into town on. Spend less time talking about DT and concentrate on getting their own message across.[/font]

Sorry, what has states filing suits in relation to the Opioid crisis got to do with Trump?

Nowhere in any of the links you've provided does it mention Trump's name or anything he has done in terms of action in relation to the problem.

Remarks on the campaign trail are not worth a thing if he is not actually enacting policy to deal with the problem

Your post reads something more along the liners of...states are taking action on the problem, and Trump is trying to take credit for it

Hande hoche!

Speaking of Dems cleaning house. Looks like Bob Menendez is probably going to be on the ballot come the end of the year.

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1003736143530217473

RIGOLO

DTs attack on opioid epidemic has been pretty consistent , and  has been going on since 2017 when he first declared it a National Health Emergency. Declaring it a 'National Health Emergency' has implications in funding and actions to be taken at the state level . So what your seeing at the state level is the enactment of a directive given by the CIC
https://www.whitehouse.gov/opioids/
13 billion in funding, etc etc  
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-budget-billion-opioid-response-803230
The fight against the opioid crisis has been consistent by the Trump administration, its also been consistent in the shoddy under-reporting in its achievements by the MSM.

everlast75

RIGOLO wrote: »

DT war on the opioid crisis in America continues.
5 more states have filed class action law suits.
[font=Arial, sans-serif]This plague is rampant in middle class, affluent areas , Democratic states, as you can see from the recent states filing. [/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]Opioid Class Action Suit Filed in Five States[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]https://www.policymed.com/2018/05/opioid-class-action-suit-filed-in-five-states.html[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]The law firms filed suits on behalf of plaintiffs in five different federal courts: [/font][font=Arial, sans-serif]California, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York.[/font]


[font=Arial, sans-serif]If you think Trump is not winning or delivering on his promises , your mistaken. The opioid crisis was a BIG element of his campaign, huge in fact. And when he spent days and months touring rural , rust belt , mid west, and forgotten communities ravaged by this plague, this topic was one he spoke of a lot.
Hilary never spoke to these communities, chosing to run ads as she flew from fundraiser on the East coast to fundraiser in Hollywood. [/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]This is added to the 41 states who had already initiated suits back in Oct 2017.
[/font][font=Arial, sans-serif]41 state attorneys general subpoena opioid manufacturers[/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]https://www.policymed.com/2017/10/class-action-suits-over-opioid-epidemic-ramping-up.html
[/font][font=Arial, sans-serif]https://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/19/health/state-ag-investigation-opioids-subpoenas/index.html[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]Theres an upcoming FDA summit on this, don’t expect the MSM to alert you to any of it, Im sure there will be some tweet or photo involving awkward body-language between DT and Melania that will grab the headlines. [/font]
[font=Arial, sans-serif]https://www.policymed.com/2018/05/fda-plans-opioid-summit-june-27-2018.html[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]This sort of real initiative , real action on a campaign promise is one of the reasons why the Dems lead in the generic congressional ballot is shortening at a rate of knots to 6% , possibly even 4%. A few more wins like this then maybe Nate Silver is right and Democrats should be worried about the mid-terms.[/font]


[font=Arial, sans-serif]As Ive said before the Democrats need to clean house (literally and figuratively), the party leaders are too old , theres been no evolution in the leadership , HRC losing should have been the alarm bell going off, no point in holding onto the same old leaders and old tired way of doing things, same old tired issues that she rode into town on. Spend less time talking about DT and concentrate on getting their own message across.[/font]

Can you stop using MSM (main stream media) like its some pejorative term! Main stream is exactly how the news should be. If it is either too left or too right then it is not news, its borderline propaganda.

Wanderer78

everlast75 wrote: »

Can you stop using MSM (main stream media) like its some pejorative term! Main stream is exactly how the news should be. If it is either too left or too right then it is not news, its borderline propaganda.

is not all news propaganda or coming with some attached ideology or agenda?

StringerBell

aloyisious wrote: »

Ref Don and his lawyer saying he can pardon himself, couldn't that be construed as an admission that Don, since taking up office, has committed Federal Law offences or is it just another of his fake news story from the Oval Office winding people up?

Oh no of course not, sure he followed up his assertion he has the absolute right to pardon himself with "why would I do that though, I've done nothing wrong"

So obviously all good, nothing to see there

Course, now if he tries to pardon himself you may say, but Mr President didn't you more or less say you would only have to pardon yourself if you had done something wrong?

Which would be answered by Fake News! Deep state conspiracy

pixelburp

The MSM acronym is up there with screeching 'Fake News' as a catch-all pejorative against any need to consider the reporting of a news item one personally doesn't like. Current affairs becoming more & more like sports fandom by the day. Ironically I often see these flippancies made while affecting some faux, against-the-grain, open mindedness and honestly, just boils down to petty name calling. True critical thinking shouldn't involve blanket blinding yourself. Were it up to me I'd add those terms it to the charter.

No one is naive enough to think news outlets - especially American ones - don't have editorial agendas, but throwing around words like 'propaganda' ultimately muddies the water from discerning between 'honest', if potentially editorialised, content and actual propaganda or straight-out lies. Screaming 'MSM' over everything does precisely that, because if everything becomes suspect, the net effect is to reduce the severity of the real 'fake news' such as Pizzagate - or anything broadcast on Info Wars.

everlast75

To add further pressure on oul DJT, the Special Master has ruled that .048% of docs seized so far are not to be made available to the persecution.
The remaining docs are to be sorted by June 15th.

josip

everlast75 wrote: »

... the Special Master has ruled that .048% of docs seized so far are not to be made available to the persecution.

It might seem like that from poor Trump's perspective

RIGOLO

Trump has signed 'The Right To Try' bill into Law . The legislation allows terminally ill patients the right to try drugs already in FDA testing but not yet fully approved. 
Seems like another win. 
MSM outlets reporting this. Theres a cool video of Trumps on CNBC. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/30/trump-signs-right-to-try-legislation-on-experimental-medicines.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/22/health/right-to-try-legislation-congress/index.html

MSM is only a prejorative if you take it as a prejorative, otherwise it simply a useful term that can be used to refer to the main stream news outlets.

Captain Obvious

RIGOLO wrote: »

administration, its also been consistent in the shoddy under-reporting in its achievements by the MSM.

What has he actually achieved though? Trump supporters keep using the word achievement when they simply mean a decision. Trump deciding to do something is not an achievement. The achievement will be if his decision results in a positive outcome. So when you talk about achievement what do you mean?