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Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III
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Kneeling for the US anthem is sheer treachery in the eyes of conservatives, but saluting a North Korean general is ... what? More nothingburgers? I mean let's be fair: do other visiting dignitaries salute foreign troops; so would Michael D Higgins salute British soldiers when he visits the UK?
Cos I mean it's either 2 things: intentional, in which case it's a baffling diplomatic balls up and Trump's a fool (assuming the above isn't true and it's not a norm being overanalysed), or it was a total accident by an unprepared novice, in which case he's still a fool.
Ah well, another day another Trump cock up; I can sorta see why reporting on his every mistake is a bit obsessive in the eyes of erstwhile posters, cos it's frigging exhausting keeping track
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Reports sanders is quiting along with her deputy. The staff turn over continues it would seem0 -
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LeinsterDub wrote: »
Reports sanders is quiting along with her deputy. The staff turn over continues it would seem
I think she's denied it at today's presser... Mind you, I no longer know whether that means yes or no when Sarah denies stuff!!0 -
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To add to his bad day, here he is saluting a North Korean general. Not that it was legitimate anyway, but his supporters can't exactly say anything about NFL players 'disrespecting the veterans' by kneeling if Trump is willing to disrespect them by saluting a general in an army they actually fought against.
You know not of which you speak. Perhaps you should look up military protocol or ask a soldier. Officers of foreign militaries, even enemy in time of war, are entitled a salute be returned.
For example, this modern manual.
http://www.jag.navy.mil/distrib/instructions/OPNAV3461.6_Enemy_POW_Detainees.pdfBesides the courtesies required in their own armies toward
their officers, enlisted EPW will salute all commissioned officers of
the U.S. Armed Forces. Officer EPW will be required to salute only
officers of a higher rank and the camp commander regardless of
grade.
(3) EPW may salute in the way prescribed by regulations in force
in their own armies.
(4) Other military courtesies will be rendered per AR 600-25
(Salutes, Honors, and Visits of Courtesy) and FM-22-5 (Drill and
Ceremonies).
d. U.S. military personnel will extend the following courtesies
toward EPW:
(1) U.S. military personnel will not be required to salute EPW or
assume the position of attention when addressing them; however,
U.S. officers will return the salutes of EPW.
Here's Norman Schwartzkopf saluting an Iraqi in 1991.
Neither is it a new concept. For example, from this War Dept manual from 1944:
http://www.schindler.org/psacot/captured.pdfIf you are an enlisted prisoner of war, you must salute all enemy officers. If you are an officer prisoner of war, you salute only enemy officers of equal or higher rank. You render your own salute, not the salute as executed by the enemy.
Where other matters of military courtesy and discipline are concerned, you have the same rights and duties as your opposite number in the enemy army.
Not just American, either. Here's the Royal Navy exchanging with a Japanese in WW2.
So, can we put that to rest and pick on actual issues instead of making up more? It's not as if there aren't any already. Now, it may well be that the return was instinctive (It would be for me) instead of knowing the niceties of military etiquette, but either way, he got it right insofar as he has chosen to return salutes in general.
Oh, I don't know if it got linked to before, here's the text of what he signed with Kim. Nothing particularly dramatic, other than that it exists in the first place.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/12/politics/read-full-text-of-trump-kim-signed-statement/index.html0 -
Manic Moran wrote: »You know not of which you speak. Perhaps you should look up military protocol or ask a soldier. Officers of foreign militaries, even enemy in time of war, are entitled a salute be returned.
For example, this modern manual.
http://www.jag.navy.mil/distrib/instructions/OPNAV3461.6_Enemy_POW_Detainees.pdf
Here's Norman Schwartzkopf saluting an Iraqi in 1991.
Neither is it a new concept. For example, from this War Dept manual from 1944:
http://www.schindler.org/psacot/captured.pdf
Not just American, either. Here's the Royal Navy exchanging with a Japanese in WW2.
So, can we put that to rest and pick on actual issues instead of making up more? It's not as if there aren't any already.
Oh, I don't know if it got linked to before, here's the text of what he signed with Kim. Nothing particularly dramatic, other than that it exists in the first place.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/12/politics/read-full-text-of-trump-kim-signed-statement/index.html
Agreeing with this - Trump has bigger questions to answer. Although, it's kind hilarious that to see someone who would presume to tell kneeling athletes what is and isnt patriotic hand the NK media this little snippet for them to loop ad infinitum. Also, if his predecessor had as much as blinked at NK general, we'd still be hearing about Traitor Obama.0 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKUL6qg5aQw
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