Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

Itssoeasy

mattser wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest, when President Trump leaves office, who is your choice as his successor ? ( Addressed to everybody, really )

An inanimate carbon rod will be fine for me.

mattser

Itssoeasy wrote: »

An inanimate carbon rod will be fine for me.

Next, please

StringerBell

mattser wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest, when President Trump leaves office, who is your choice as his successor ? ( Addressed to everybody, really )

What does choice have to do with it?

When Trump leaves office it will either be Mike Pence due to him being forced out/resigning or an as yet unnamed Democrat who beats him in 2020, or 2024.

Its not like debating who you want to take over your sports team if the manager goes.

Would you like to discuss viable options for right now? As in, if Trump goes tomorrow or what?

mattser

StringerBell wrote: »

What does choice have to do with it?

When Trump leaves office it will either be Mike Pence due to him being forced out/resigning or an as yet unnamed Democrat who beats him in 2020, or 2024.

Its not like debating who you want to take over your sports team if the manager goes.

Would you like to discuss viable options for right now? As in, if Trump goes tomorrow or what?[/QUOTE]

Yes please.

Overheal

mattser wrote: »

Yes please.

If he goes, Pence is sworn in.

Simple as that. The odds of them both going at once are cosmic. Even if Pence is legally implicated in a Trump cluster**** he would still incur his own impeachment proceeding. If Pence lost such proceedings, Paul Ryan is sworn in as the next in succession to the Presidency as he is the House Speaker.

weisses

Overheal wrote: »

If he goes, Pence is sworn in.

Simple as that. The odds of them both going at once are cosmic. Even if Pence is legally implicated in a Trump cluster**** he would still incur his own impeachment proceeding. If Pence lost such proceedings, Paul Ryan is sworn in as the next in succession to the Presidency as he is the House Speaker.

It will go from bad to worse .. With Pence as President we go from unhinged to Unhinged with a bible

Christy42

Not content with taking kids from their families Trump has now decided that these people do not deserve the right of paw.

He has also further upped the rhetoric against immigrants by referring to them as an invasion. The point is clear, he wants to refer to these people as the enemy of the US. Same reason he highlights any incident by illegal immigrants, to put as much blame for the crime rate on them as possible in spite of the fact that they tend to be better behaved than the native population.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/24/trump-family-separations-children-immigration-dhs-texas

One has to wonder if Trump sees that crying little girl as a military invasion.

Nody

Christy42 wrote: »

One has to wonder if Trump sees that crying little girl as a military invasion.

Psychological warfare division in action; she's clearly part of the youth wing of the military invaders working in cohorts with the fifth columnists in MSM spreading the propaganda. And unlike previous invaders these guys don't bring weapons with them but buy them in the US instead through their non existent funds they brought with them. That is how sneaky they are in their invasion; thankfully The Glorious Leader was smart enough to see through the charades and are taking steps to stop them by building a wall that will make China's wall look tiny by comparison, so tiny. The best part is that it will be paid by the Mexicans because they are all drug dealers anyway and got lots of cash lying around that can be used. America will not have to pay a single cent because the Glorious Leader has declared that to be the case and besides there's always Russia to pay for it like it paid for the Glorious Leader's other investments.

Nox

President Donald J Trump is correct to define the invading illegal alien horde as an invasion.  Some folks here forget that these invaders cross multiple international boarders to appear at ours … and then sneak in illegally.  The Europeans think that this is acceptable … why shouldn't they … it's not their country.  But then, it's a different story when the invaders to Europe are from moslem countries.  Look at Italy.  But then that's a different story … unless of course, you can find some way to blame the POTUS.  I notice that Ireland now has the 'honor' of playing host to that superior paragon of truth and virtue aka James Comey.  Your press should have a field day ogling over each and every bit of tripe flowing from his lips.  He and his spouse considered claiming to be Canadians upon entering Ireland.  If that isn't the seal of approval for the Irish left wing, then what more can be said?  Here's a thought … keep him.

Christy42

Nox wrote: »

President Donald J Trump is correct to define the invading illegal alien horde as an invasion.  Some folks here forget that these invaders cross multiple international boarders to appear at ours … and then sneak in illegally.  The Europeans think that this is acceptable … why shouldn't they … it's not their country.  But then, it's a different story when the invaders to Europe are from moslem countries.  Look at Italy.  But then that's a different story … unless of course, you can find some way to blame the POTUS.  I notice that Ireland now has the 'honor' of playing host to that superior paragon of truth and virtue aka James Comey.  Your press should have a field day ogling over each and every bit of tripe flowing from his lips.  He and his spouse considered claiming to be Canadians upon entering Ireland.  If that isn't the seal of approval for the Irish left wing, then what more can be said?  Here's a thought … keep him.

Desperate refugees are not an invasion force. They are not bringing tanks.

Yes they can bring some social issues which have been overblown to pieces by Trump but this is not a military matter. They are not villains and they are not enemies.

Leroy42

So Nox, any chance you are going to be able to answer the question about whether Trump was right to insist on the policy to remove children from their parents or whether he was right to reverse that decision.

Either he is being correctly tough on the invasion or he has, by his cowardice, opening the US up to invasion.

Which position is it?

If it is an invasion, then why 500+ days into his admin, has he not built the wall. Is that the actions of CiC who cares for his country? Imagine him during Pearl Harbour. 18 months later and all he has done is complain on twitter!

And this is the core problem with supporting everything Trump. You are left in totally contradictory positions. Either it is an invasion, and as such the US should be doing everything to stop it and thus Trump is failing in one of the most fundamental parts of his job and instead is busy going to rallies and fundraisers and paying golf. I mean, there is an invasion happening and he spent the weekend playing golf!

Or this isn't really as serious as he makes it out to be, which would give him reason to be so ineffective but makes him a liar.

Water John

Note that Trump now refers to them as an, infestation. Upping the dangerous rhetoric and demonising all immigrants, esp of colour.
Trump feeding the base.

Nox

I notice the side-stepping of the issue of invasion.  I guess what is happening in Europe is not an invasion … yet you Euro's demean the POTUS for calling it like it is.  And the tripe about tanks is silly.  The moslems invading Europe are not bringing tanks either … is that an invasion?  BTW how is Ireland dealing with your own moslem invasion?

weisses

Nox wrote: »

President Donald J Trump is correct to define the invading illegal alien horde as an invasion.  Some folks here forget that these invaders cross multiple international boarders to appear at ours … and then sneak in illegally.  The Europeans think that this is acceptable … why shouldn't they … it's not their country. 

Where/how are the Europeans accepting illegal border crossings into the US ?

Mexicans are refugees?

kunst nugget

Nox wrote: »

BTW how is Ireland dealing with your own moslem invasion?

It's been a terrible burden. I can't eat a ham sandwich in public and I can't walk down the street without tripping over one of those fellas praying. My missus hasn't taken too well to the burqa but she'll endure it - we have no choice…

Igotadose

Blood to sharks: HRC on Turbridy's radio program right now (since 9a.m.) She sounds great. Excellent interviewee.

Professor Moriarty

Nox wrote: »

I notice the side-stepping of the issue of invasion.  I guess what is happening in Europe is not an invasion … yet you Euro's demean the POTUS for calling it like it is.  And the tripe about tanks is silly.  The moslems invading Europe are not bringing tanks either … is that an invasion?  BTW how is Ireland dealing with your own moslem invasion?

Is English your first language? Just wondering. Refugees fleeing war are not invaders. Ireland seems to be doing fine so far, thanks for asking.

Christy42

Nox wrote: »

I notice the side-stepping of the issue of invasion.  I guess what is happening in Europe is not an invasion … yet you Euro's demean the POTUS for calling it like it is.  And the tripe about tanks is silly.  The moslems invading Europe are not bringing tanks either … is that an invasion?  BTW how is Ireland dealing with your own moslem invasion?

The influx of refugees into Europe is not an invasion.

It is a humanitarian crisis.

Ireland is fine by the way.

Leroy42

Nox complaining that people are side-stepping the issue? Wow, I'll give you kudos for being brazen anyway.

OK, so lets deal with your issue then. Before we can accurately deal with it we need to first understand what you mean. What is your definition of invasion? Is it simply any group of people that you don't like or agree with coming to your country? Is it illegals? Does it need to involve any undermining of law and order?

Invasion, although it can be used to signify an occasion when a large number of people or things come to a place in an annoying and unwanted way, is used, particularly with Trump as he ties it directly with crime, to deal with agression.

But even parking that, again it goes back to why Trump is seemingly so ineffective in dealing with this invasion. Remember his 1st priority when becoming POTUS was muslims, not the South. After he failed on that he focused on Obamacare. He failed on that and then moved to tax reform. Yes he has talked constantly about immigration and do nothing practicle about it until recently. But even then, the policy he brought in he rowed back on straight away.

So taking at face value you concern for this invasion, why are Trump supporters not showing there disgust that the person who promised to deal with it seems to have nothing but PR stunts and twitter rants. Surely he is failing at the most fundamental job of POTUS, that of protecting the citizens of the US.

Chips Lovell

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Chips Lovell

Despite multiple mod warnings on this thread, we've still got people who aren't heeding the charter. I've carded several posts and removed a few more. If you haven't read the charter, go read it now. If you're not prepared to adhere to the charter, don't post.

In particular, bear this in mind:

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Referring to immigrants (legal or illegal) and refugees as invaders in Europe or the US, isn't accurate and is just inflammatory and not up to the standard of posts we expect here. Knock it off.

FreudianSlippers

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

Referring to immigrants (legal or illegal) and refugees as invaders in Europe or the US, isn't accurate and is just inflammatory and not up to the standard of posts we expect here. Knock it off.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1010900865602019329

Too bad the standards of conversation here don't apply to the actual President of the USA.



*not that I'm disagreeing with you on this point tbh*

pixelburp

Apart from the obvious legal and authoritarian ramifications, what I think frustrates and highlights Trump's obvious lack of knowledge is the inherent contradiction within that single tweet: he talks of 'law and order', having literally just championed the idea of circumventing ... law & order. He can't get a single train of thought consistent - how can stable policy be established if a Tweet is beyond him?

There's always the struggle between the cold rationalism of any just legal system, and what amounts to mob justice or the "string 'em up" mentality, yet to have the President of the United States come down on the side of the mob IS dangerous - even if you agree with his position on immigration, there can't be a thin end of the wedge here, because the rule of law must be adhered to and applied. It's easy to champion the laws you agree with - anyone can do that - the trick is to defend the laws you DON'T agree with and peoples' rights to enjoy those laws, and that's supposedly the bedrock of the United States. This is the whole point of it.

No judges or court cases is precise totalitarianism; even illegal immigrants get their day in court, cos that's why they're called 'illegal' in the first place, right? Unless you want an Erdogan style 'democracy' (and again, some people think they do), checks and boundaries are required. Honestly? A rigorous solution is needed because I'm not sure I'm 100% behind people just walking across the border, but I'd still want those people treated fairly, justly and with dignity.

In any case: ISIS must be just laughing these days, because suddenly impoverished Central Americans are the Number 1 enemy of the US administration. And yeah, a US president talking about an 'invasion' is a bit rich. Americans have NO idea what an invasion looks like - and I truly hope they never do witness the actuality of that event.

RIGOLO

Another big success for Trump last week. It doesnt seem to have been discussed much, although MSM news outlets did carry it, albeit on the inner pages. 
The house passed the latest bill on the Opioid epidemic, I think its the 30+  bill on this issue passed in the last 2 weeks, although this bill is seen as all inclusive of previous bills, and recieved bipartisan 396 to 14 support.
Its a major step on reform to tackle this epidemic. 
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/393655-house-passes-bipartisan-bill-to-fight-the-opioid-crisis

More importanly this will be used as an issue to be taken to the polls in November, 
Many mom+pop voters in the US are very concerned about this issue and its impact on their young children and older family members. In many constituencys its a item at the very top of the ballot debate and is seen as far more important to many average American voters than many of the random items discussed as being of importance to US voters by those who are external to the US


This is a big win for Republicans as they ramp up their machine for the mid-terms and they will take this strong message out on their campaigns.

everlast75

RIGOLO wrote: »

Another big success for Trump last week. It doesnt seem to have been discussed much, although MSM news outlets did carry it, albeit on the inner pages. 
The house passed the latest bill on the Opioid epidemic, I think its the 30+  bill on this issue passed in the last 2 weeks, although this bill is seen as all inclusive of previous bills, and recieved bipartisan 396 to 14 support.
Its a major step on reform to tackle this epidemic. 
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/393655-house-passes-bipartisan-bill-to-fight-the-opioid-crisis

More importanly this will be used as an issue to be taken to the polls in November, 
Many mom+pop voters in the US are very concerned about this issue and its impact on their young children and older family members. In many constituencys its a item at the very top of the ballot debate and is seen as far more important to many average American voters than many of the random items discussed as being of importance to US voters by those who are external to the US


This is a big win for Republicans as they ramp up their machine for the mid-terms and they will take this strong message out on their campaigns.

So it was covered then? Gotcha.

And the reason it may have been in the middle pages and not on the front was because your guy was separating babies from their parents and detaining them in camps. Perspective, you know?

Leroy42

What did the bill do?

FreudianSlippers

Leroy42 wrote: »

What did the bill do?

Not a lot really.

everlast75

Nox wrote: »

President Donald J Trump is correct to define the invading illegal alien horde as an invasion.  Some folks here forget that these invaders cross multiple international boarders to appear at ours … and then sneak in illegally.  The Europeans think that this is acceptable … why shouldn't they … it's not their country.  But then, it's a different story when the invaders to Europe are from moslem countries.  Look at Italy.  But then that's a different story … unless of course, you can find some way to blame the POTUS. 

Which is it? Take a breath, think your sentence out, then post it. You will convey your point better that way.

Nox wrote: »

I notice that Ireland now has the 'honor' of playing host to that superior paragon of truth and virtue aka James Comey.  Your press should have a field day ogling over each and every bit of tripe flowing from his lips.  He and his spouse considered claiming to be Canadians upon entering Ireland.  If that isn't the seal of approval for the Irish left wing, then what more can be said?  Here's a thought … keep him.

Ah - the old "lyin' James Comey" line. Leaving aside the breathtaking hypocrisy of Trump calling anyone else in the entire work a liar, calling someone a name doesn't make it so, even if DJT and his supporters keep repeating it.

Trump threatened him with the existence of tapes that would contradict what Comey stated. Comey's story from the start, has been consistent, without deviation and with corroborated contemporaneous witness testimony in relation to being asked for loyalty, and guess what, when Comey replied "Oh Lordy I hope there are tapes"... there were no tapes. Comey wasn't lying. Trump was!

So you tell me, what did Comey lie about?

Leroy42

Of course the Trump suggestion, going against the constitution that he swore to uphold has some serious implications.

There was a recent story (can't recall the link) about a French teenager that whilst in Canada went for a run and ran across a non physical border into the US land and was picked up. Since they were out jogging they had no id etc and so they were arrested and detained. It took 2 weeks to get them out.

So how do you prove you are legal. is it based on the colour of your skin? Are US citizens now expected to carry ID everywhere they go? Will this apply everywhere in the US or just around the border? Where will they be deported to? If they refuse to speak can the US simply dump them in Mexico?

MAGA by getting rid of the legal system?

Its a nonsense, in line with arming teachers in schools.