Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

jooksavage

RIGOLO wrote: »

The winds are in the sails of the GOP, Dems need to get their act together , its too late for November, at best its damage limitation for the DNC, try not to totally implode before then and perhaps rally by 2020. But they dont seem to be learning by any of their mistakes, nor are they keen to take any advice or insight. Their echo chamber approach is only benefiting GOP.

Finding it hard to take seriously descriptions of "echo chambers" from the person who said this 5 posts earlier

RIGOLO wrote: »

Another stellar week for the Trump administration, their forward momentum continues to make progress.

Nox

It appears that multiple posters here either didn't see/hear the speech given by President Donald J Trump in Montana or they are following the words of a song I posted several pages ago … "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest".  The POTUS did not condone what Pruitt did outside his duties as Secretary … what he lauded was the regulations that were rescinded.  O well … "still a man hears …"

Christy42

He didn't exactly condemn him either.

Never mind the speech was Trump demanding the resignation? It looks like Trump was happy to have Pruitt stay on from what I can see.

Blowfish

Nox wrote: »

It appears that multiple posters here either didn't see/hear the speech given by President Donald J Trump in Montana or they are following the words of a song I posted several pages ago … "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest".  The POTUS did not condone what Pruitt did outside his duties as Secretary … what he lauded was the regulations that were rescinded.  O well … "still a man hears …"

And what about this tweet?https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1014956568129892352

He's not praising his regulation work there, just saying that he did an 'outstanding job' in the agency. Do you think racking up 14 ethic violations lawsuits in 18 months is an 'outstanding job'?

Leroy42

Nox wrote: »

It appears that multiple posters here either didn't see/hear the speech given by President Donald J Trump in Montana or they are following the words of a song I posted several pages ago … "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest".  The POTUS did not condone what Pruitt did outside his duties as Secretary … what he lauded was the regulations that were rescinded.  O well … "still a man hears …"

Simply by not firing him he was condoning it. That is the nature of being the boss, if you do nothing when informed of wrong-doing you are tacitly accepting it.

He accepted his resignation, he didn't demand it. He didn't state that whilst Pruitt may well have been doing a good job Trump admin must not only be, but be seen to be, above the level of the swamp.

mcmoustache

Nox wrote: »

It appears that multiple posters here either didn't see/hear the speech given by President Donald J Trump in Montana or they are following the words of a song I posted several pages ago … "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest".  The POTUS did not condone what Pruitt did outside his duties as Secretary … what he lauded was the regulations that were rescinded.  O well … "still a man hears …"

His speeches are always the same old rambling nonsense.

"Crooked Hillary"
"2016 election win" (with incorrect electoral college numbers)
"Low IQ <insert black person>"
"ICE liberated someplace from MS13"
"Lock her up!"
"Lying Media and anonymous sources"
"Doing a great job"
"Democrats trying to destroy America"
"No Collusion"
"Witch Hunt"
"13 Angry Democrats"
"Drain the swamp"
"Clean Coal"
"Nancy Pelosi"

I could go on but the point that I'm making here is that his speeches are nothing more than a greatest hits compilation of soundbites delivered in a stream of consciousness style that's linguistically painful to parse despite his limited vocabulary.

If you think his speeches are worth praising, you clearly have no experience with oratory.

everlast75

Nox wrote: »

It appears that multiple posters here either didn't see/hear the speech given by President Donald J Trump in Montana or they are following the words of a song I posted several pages ago … "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest".  The POTUS did not condone what Pruitt did outside his duties as Secretary … what he lauded was the regulations that were rescinded.  O well … "still a man hears …"

Trump is hardly going to clap him on the back and say "well done for the fantastic waste of tax payers money Scott". Trump is an idiot, but not even that much of an idiot.

He said he did a wonderful job.

And part of that job is an obligation not to take the p*ss, or to use the more correct phrase - not to bring the position into disrepute. But you and I know Trump doesn't care about that, because as far as he was concerned, 14 investigations launched did not prompt Trump to fire him.

FreudianSlippers

Nox wrote: »

It appears that multiple posters here either didn't see/hear the speech given by President Donald J Trump in Montana or they are following the words of a song I posted several pages ago … "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest".  The POTUS did not condone what Pruitt did outside his duties as Secretary … what he lauded was the regulations that were rescinded.  O well … "still a man hears …"

I admire the Ron Swanson level of subversion at play here, but surely one should not be lauded for doing the exact opposite of one's job? Like... it's the EPA's job to regulate to, you know, protect the environment and Pruitt somehow managed to do the exact opposite.

WOTUS is a prime example of how counter-intuitive (and frankly insane) this all is: waste water and run-off with chemicals is damaging the environment, lakes, steams, water-tables, etc. so the EPA and Army Corps of Engineers devises WOTUS to say that businesses should be responsible for ensuring that they don't do this.

Pruitt then suspends this for two years and it's a huge victory. For whom? Certainly not the environment... seems like it's only a huge victory for businesses.

FreudianSlippers

everlast75 wrote: »

Trump is hardly going to clap him on the back and say "well done for the fantastic waste of tax payers money Scott". Trump is an idiot, but not even that much of an idiot.

He said he did a wonderful job.

And part of that job is an obligation not to take the p*ss, or to use the more correct phrase - not to bring the position into disrepute. But you and I know Trump doesn't care about that, because as far as he was concerned, 14 investigations launched did not prompt Trump to fire him.

He did a wonderful job fulfilling Trump's agenda; on no planet did he do a wonderful job at his actual job.

everlast75

mcmoustache wrote: »

His speeches are always the same old rambling nonsense.

"Crooked Hillary"
"2016 election win" (with incorrect electoral college numbers)
"Low IQ <insert black person>"
"ICE liberated someplace from MS13"
"Lock her up!"
"Lying Media and anonymous sources"
"Doing a great job"
"Democrats trying to destroy America"
"No Collusion"
"Witch Hunt"
"13 Angry Democrats"
"Drain the swamp"
"Clean Coal"
"Nancy Pelosi"

I could go on but the point that I'm making here is that his speeches are nothing more than a greatest hits compilation of soundbites delivered in a stream of consciousness style that's linguistically painful to parse despite his limited vocabulary.

If you think his speeches are worth praising, you clearly have no experience with oratory.

You also forgot his latest, re Elizabeth Warren, questioning her heritage, at that Montana rally.

"We will take that little kit, but we have to do it gently because we're in the #MeToo generation"


Along with his defence of Jordan, and the hiring of Bill Shine, it shows he has nothing for contempt for those that have suffered sexual harassment/abuse.

relax carry on

mcmoustache wrote: »

His speeches are always the same old rambling nonsense.

"Crooked Hillary"
"2016 election win" (with incorrect electoral college numbers)
"Low IQ <insert black person>"
"ICE liberated someplace from MS13"
"Lock her up!"
"Lying Media and anonymous sources"
"Doing a great job"
"Democrats trying to destroy America"
"No Collusion"
"Witch Hunt"
"13 Angry Democrats"
"Drain the swamp"
"Clean Coal"
"Nancy Pelosi"

I could go on but the point that I'm making here is that his speeches are nothing more than a greatest hits compilation of soundbites delivered in a stream of consciousness style that's linguistically painful to parse despite his limited vocabulary.

If you think his speeches are worth praising, you clearly have no experience with oratory.

Continuing that analysis of his speeches, I missed this one from the start of the year where it appears that he speaks at the level of an 8 year old.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-language-level-speaking-skills-age-eight-year-old-vocabulary-analysis-a8149926.html

mcmoustache

everlast75 wrote: »

You also forgot his latest, re Dianne Feinstein, questioning her heritage, at that Montana rally.

I think you mean Elizabeth Warren there.

everlast75

mcmoustache wrote: »

I think you mean Elizabeth Warren there.

Sorry. Yes indeed

FreudianSlippers

mcmoustache wrote: »

I think you mean Elizabeth Warren there.

Or, if you're Trump: "Pocahontas"

mcmoustache

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is not often that I get things right, but sometimes it really is so obvious what is going to happen

I'd bet you could do this again - predict the spin, I mean.


If you take Kelly Ann Conway or Sarah Sanders, for example, they don't put any effort into spinning. They lie about things that are so easily debunked. In a normal administration they simply wouldn't survive but they know their audience.


They know that their audience won't fact-check. They'll simply gobble it up and regurgitate it later as though it was a thought of their own. Sanders and Conway are aware of this so the spin that they use is not the usual kind of spin that at least tries to be convincing. Instead, it's a simplistic kind of spin that you would direct at what we would kindly call Low Information Voters.


For this reason, the spin is lazy naonra stuff. Not to take away from Leroy's prowess here, but the spin can be predicted accurately enough if you just assume that you're making something up on the spot for a dumb kid and put very little effort into it.


Trump spin isn't about convincing smart people - it's about giving his supporters something to repeat.

mcmoustache

I have broken more Elton John records, he seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.

In case anyone thought that I was being unkind in describing Trump's Montana speech as rambling incoherent rubbish with a small vocabulary, that quote is from that night.

Here's the video if you want to lose braincells.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUdo5kuLf-E

How people can see these speeches as being clever or inspirational or even coherent is beyond me. I've seen, heard and read good and average speeches. Trump's don't even come close.

Itssoeasy

Jesus I feel dumber for having read that quote and trying to make sense of it. What point is he trying to make ?

For Forks Sake

mcmoustache wrote: »

In case anyone thought that I was being unkind in describing Trump's Montana speech as rambling incoherent rubbish with a small vocabulary, that quote is from that night.

Here's the video if you want to lose braincells.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUdo5kuLf-E

How people can see these speeches as being clever or inspirational or even coherent is beyond me. I've seen, heard and read good and average speeches. Trump's don't even come close.

The ramblings of a diseased mind.

everlast75

This bloke is an ultra conservative voice in the States.

What he says explains a good deal of why Trump is still where he is...

https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/1014847812503302144?s=19

EdgeCase

It's the one thing that I would say about the Irish (or other) parliamentary systems. This much power is not invested in one person.

If a Taoiseach went off his/her trolley, there's at least total accountability to a proportionally elected, pretty diverse Dail and there's no need to go through complex impeachment processes - a simple vote of no confidence and he/she is gone. There also isn't the same fear of triggering an election.

There's FAR too much power vested in one individual in the US system and because the narrow two party system, you end up with "our team" or "the other team" mentality and they won't start impeachment procedures, even though it's fairly clear that he's totally unsuitable for the job.

I honestly think Trump's just a symptom of a very broken system that has been dysfunctional for a long time and has just been compounding problems for many years at this stage.

My view of it it is that without quite fundamental reform of the structures of government, the US could be in for a whole series of Trump-like 'strong man' leaders and could easily end up resembling something more like the cult-of-personality unstable presidential governments you see in Latin America and parts of Africa.

The Russians and others may well be trolling them, but the problem is their system is so dysfunctional that it's vulnerable to having its buttons pushed and has very little ability to self-correct.

Countries that start out in good shape can easily end up going off the rails. We've plenty of historical European examples in the 20th century. The US isn't as unique and exceptional as it likes to think. There are a lot of echos of Europe in the 1920s/30s in this.

20Cent

A racist joke with a sexual assault punchline mistaking rape kits for DNA checks within 24 seconds.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1015031814858166272?s=19

Nox

All of this blather about President Donald J Trump and yet not one poster has mentioned the size of the crowds he draws.  Packed auditoriums with thousands waiting outside … everywhere he gives a speech.  The hate speech given by the congressperson encouraging harassment had at most a couple dozen folks … all of whom were in the picture.  If this is such a 'blue wave' …. where are the droplets (aka democrats/socialists).

looksee

Nox wrote: »

All of this blather about President Donald J Trump and yet not one poster has mentioned the size of the crowds he draws.  Packed auditoriums with thousands waiting outside … everywhere he gives a speech.  The hate speech given by the congressperson encouraging harassment had at most a couple dozen folks … all of whom were in the picture.  If this is such a 'blue wave' …. where are the droplets (aka democrats/socialists).

You refer to the 'hate' speech having 'a couple dozen folks all of whom were in the picture' but then expect us to accept your assurance that Trump had huge crowds. Even Trump tv chose not to pan round the auditorium to show us these milling throngs of enthusiasts. And we have only his word about the 'thousands' outside, and we all know what his word and his ability to count are worth.

I am intrigued by the number of people who turn up in yellow safety vests and hard hats, I wonder is it the same people each time? One thing is fairly certain though, the attendees have a similar IQ to Trump, they would not be able to listen to his garbled drivel if they were half intelligent.

listermint

Nox wrote: »

All of this blather about President Donald J Trump and yet not one poster has mentioned the size of the crowds he draws.  Packed auditoriums with thousands waiting outside … everywhere he gives a speech.  The hate speech given by the congressperson encouraging harassment had at most a couple dozen folks … all of whom were in the picture.  If this is such a 'blue wave' …. where are the droplets (aka democrats/socialists).

Parody account if anything I've seen.

Crowds of the same people traveling to the same rallies.

But alas your a parody account designed to illicit a response

Panrich

Well after the record crowds at his inauguration, I wouldn't be surprised if there were millions at every rally.

Captain Obvious

Nox wrote: »

All of this blather about President Donald J Trump and yet not one poster has mentioned the size of the crowds he draws. Packed auditoriums with thousands waiting outside … everywhere he gives a speech. The hate speech given by the congressperson encouraging harassment had at most a couple dozen folks … all of whom were in the picture. If this is such a 'blue wave' …. where are the droplets (aka democrats/socialists).

By hate speech are you referring to her telling people to stand up to corrupt liars in government?

BabyCheeses

Nox wrote: »

All of this blather about President Donald J Trump and yet not one poster has mentioned the size of the crowds he draws. Packed auditoriums with thousands waiting outside … everywhere he gives a speech. The hate speech given by the congressperson encouraging harassment had at most a couple dozen folks … all of whom were in the picture. If this is such a 'blue wave' …. where are the droplets (aka democrats/socialists).

Didn't 64 million people vote for him? And we're supposed to be impressed that less than 0.1% of his supporters turned up to see him. It's quite disappointing for a religious leaders.


People tried pointing out the size of his rallies vs Clinton's and yet she got more votes. The dems aren't sitting around waiting for those coal jobs to start up so probably have work to do instead.

For Forks Sake

Nox wrote: »

All of this blather about President Donald J Trump and yet not one poster has mentioned the size of the crowds he draws.  Packed auditoriums with thousands waiting outside … everywhere he gives a speech.  The hate speech given by the congressperson encouraging harassment had at most a couple dozen folks … all of whom were in the picture.  If this is such a 'blue wave' …. where are the droplets (aka democrats/socialists).

It pays the bills I suppose. :rolleyes:

Even the firm that hired actors to cheer Trump’s campaign launch had to wait to be paid

The lucrative business of crowds for hire

looksee wrote: »

You refer to the 'hate' speech having 'a couple dozen folks all of whom were in the picture' but then expect us to accept your assurance that Trump had huge crowds. Even Trump tv chose not to pan round the auditorium to show us these milling throngs of enthusiasts. And we have only his word about the 'thousands' outside, and we all know what his word and his ability to count are worth.

Indeed. Trump places Nashville rally crowd size above arena capacity, disputes reports

President Donald Trump is touting the size of the crowd at his rally in Nashville Tuesday evening, a day after suggesting the audience was larger than the building allows.

On Wednesday morning Trump said on Twitter that the New York Times estimates about the size of the crowd inside Municipal Auditorium were wrong.

The newspaper reported the crowd to be about 1,000. The article was later updated to reflect the actual size of the crowd, which officials said contained 5,500 people.

The USA TODAY NETWORK-Tennessee confirmed the total with fire officials Wednesday morning.

Despite officials' estimates, the Trump campaign double-down Wednesday afternoon saying there were 8,000 people at the rally.

In his tweet, the president said the audience at the rally was “many times that number.”

Nox

Plenty of disputed claims of President Donald J Trump rally attendance.  I found it quite amusing that one of the listed 'sources' was from January 2017.  And there have been multiple examples of the crowd being scanned.  Something tells me that the sheer absence of  'fact check' articles about the crowds outside the speech venues speaks volumes.  And as far as the 'hate speech' …. stirring up a crowd with venom to incite actions hardly qualifies for title of 'free speech'.  And for the third time I must repeat myself in response to many of the previous comments … "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest …"

Itssoeasy

Nox wrote: »

Plenty of disputed claims of President Donald J Trump rally attendance.  I found it quite amusing that one of the listed 'sources' was from January 2017.  And there have been multiple examples of the crowd being scanned.  Something tells me that the sheer absence of  'fact check' articles about the crowds outside the speech venues speaks volumes.  And as far as the 'hate speech' …. stirring up a crowd with venom to incite actions hardly qualifies for title of 'free speech'.  And for the third time I must repeat myself in response to many of the previous comments … "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest …"

Crowd size means nothing to how good a leader he is Nox and well you know it. How you seemingly willingly support this guy when it has been proven he has none of even the basic qualities to be even a basic world leader. Donald Trump will never be considered a good US President as even Nixon had some cop on about him.