Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

jobbridge4life

RIGOLO wrote: »

No longer rely on the US, the US have been ramping up Europena based military prescence under TRump .
You should read the NATO press releases ... 
Jens Stoltenberg the NATO Secretary General ... and I quote ...

On top of that, on the initiative of President Trump last May, last year, we agreed to develop the national plans as a very powerful tool, to make sure that Allies deliver on the promise to increase defence spending. 
When it comes to US presence in Europe, what we have seen is that the United States has increased their military presence in Europe.  After the end of the Cold War, the United States reduced its military presence.  The last US battle tank left Europe in 2013.  And now, the United States is back with a full armoured brigade.  And just since President Trump became President, or took Office, US funding for a US military presence in Europe has been increased by 40%.  So, actions speak louder than words.  I am absolutely confident about the US commitment to European security and also their military presence.

All the hysteria about US pulling out of NATO is just being feed by sensationalist MSM comments and anti-Trump biased analysis.
He has far from said he would pull the US out, in fact his impromptu press conference in Brussles said many positive tings about NATO and about the US commitment to NATO. 
Roll on Buckingham Palace, after the hectic schedule he has had in the last few weeks the man has earned a few days playing golf.

None of this changes the fact that he has undermined confidence in the reliability of the US as a military (and indeed trade) partner. The EU recognises this fact, it is partly the reason we see such a push at the moment to increase European law enforcement, defence and security cooperation.

There is no hysteria only rational reactions to the irrational statements of POTUS.

RIGOLO

Right hatchet job attempt by Christine Amanpour on CNN, on Jens Stoltenberg the NATO Secretary General. 
Her questions are just trying to catch Jens out at the expense of showing up Trump, but he has wiped the floor with her so far, and been very positive and supportive of Trumps NATO stance and initatives.
Poor old Amapour cant catch him out. 

Worth a watch.  Tune in or catch it later.

everlast75

So there was no commitment to increasing spending to 4%.

Debunked almost immediately by Macron.

Just more bullsh1t from Trump.

Jesus, the guy wouldn't know the truth if it walked up and grabbed him by the p*ssy

Outlaw Pete

seamus wrote: »

People like Stormy Daniels are unfortunately the only ones who can make an impact in this environment...

Doubt what Stormy has to say will be having much impact from this point on.....


https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1017371733152681984

https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/1017342910088478720


....course Trump's be blamed for this already with many a cry of 'set up'.

Leroy42

Oh my god, the porn star is a stripper. Well that completely negates any credibility she had!

Sorry forgot to say, isn't this just what happens in a strip club. What is it like.....locker room talk is the closest I can think of.

Professor Moriarty

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Doubt what Stormy has to say will be having much impact from this point on.....


https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1017371733152681984

https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/1017342910088478720


....course Trump's be blamed for this already with many a cry of 'set up'.

Why does this change anything?

everlast75

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Doubt what Stormy has to say will be having much impact from this point on.....


https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1017371733152681984

https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/1017342910088478720


....course Trump's be blamed for this already with many a cry of 'set up'.

Yeah, and I wonder why that is.

Undercover agents at a strip club, to catch a performer allowing someone to touch them, when that performer is involved in litigation concerning the president?

Jesus, its not difficult to join the dots

irishash

RIGOLO wrote: »

Yeah but the difference is when Obama attended a NATO summit before going to play golf , the US picked up the NATO free bar tab.  
This time , Trump has gotten the NATO members to buy some of their own drinks, before he tees off.

Unlike the media, I wont call this a falsehood, because it deserves to be flagged as an all out lie.

2014 - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/11066785/Obama-and-Cameron-to-tell-Nato-allies-to-increase-defence-spending.html


2016 - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/25/obama-tells-complacent-europe-to-hike-military-spending/

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/02/politics/obama-nato-funding-budget/index.html

All of the spending agreements Trump says he has completed during this summit meeting is just reaffirmation of agreements already made by previous administrations.

robinph

That is some screwed up law that charges the "dancer" with being touched, but it's OK if the performer had their family doing the touching during the show. :eek:

As for it being accused of being a setup, well that would be because it was a setup.

Outlaw Pete

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Why does this change anything?

Why does accusations of sexual assault change anything?

That's an odd thing to say for someone who went on and on about Trump's pussy grabbing joke.

RIGOLO

irishash wrote: »

RIGOLO wrote: »

Yeah but the difference is when Obama attended a NATO summit before going to play golf , the US picked up the NATO free bar tab.  
This time , Trump has gotten the NATO members to buy some of their own drinks, before he tees off.

Unlike the media, I wont call this a falsehood, because it deserves to be flagged as an all out lie.

2014 - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/11066785/Obama-and-Cameron-to-tell-Nato-allies-to-increase-defence-spending.html


2016 - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/25/obama-tells-complacent-europe-to-hike-military-spending/

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/02/politics/obama-nato-funding-budget/index.html

All of the spending agreements Trump says he has completed during this summit meeting is just reaffirmation of agreements already made by previous administrations.

Your missing the $40 billion elephant in the room. 
The agreements werent being met and the Trump administration  was not content with the timeline. Trump has been successful in speeding up the rate and amount of payment. Something Obama asked for but couldnt get accomplished. 
Unless your calling Jens Stoltenberg the Nato Secretary General a liar ...
On top of that, on the initiative of President Trump last May, last year, we agreed to develop the national plans as a very powerful tool, to make sure that Allies deliver on the promise to increase defence spending. 

Professor Moriarty

The sinister element of this is that policemen were deliberately targeting a particular citizen who is bringing a lawsuit against POTUS. That is symptomatic of fascism.

irishash

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Why does accusations of sexual assault change anything?

Stripper does stripper things at a strip club = sexual assault
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Im sorry, have I logged into the boards parody website by mistake?

everlast75

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Why does accusations of sexual assault change anything?

That's an odd thing to say for someone who went on and on about Trump's pussy grabbing joke.

2 things

1) they touched her. She touched them. It was therefore consensual (if it were not entrapment of course)

2) with 14 women plus accusing Trump of sexual harassment, its clear Trump was not joking

weisses

RIGOLO wrote: »

Your missing the $40 billion elephant in the room. 
The agreements werent being met and the Trump administration  was not content with the timeline.

What timeline ?

Outlaw Pete

everlast75 wrote: »

Jesus, its not difficult to join the dots

Look, just cause you and other 'Blame Trump for everything' folk so easily join dots to create a narrative that suits you (like photoshopping pics of children with Trump looking on) doesn't mean that the rest of us should do similar, nor look the other way when it's done either.

You say it's "not difficult" to join said dots and I don't doubt that it is, just that some of us require a little more evidence before we so willing suggest corruption.

irishash

RIGOLO wrote: »

Unless your calling Jens Stoltenberg the Nato Secretary General a liar ..

No no....I am saying your analogy is a lie. Stoltenberg said nothing about agreements on increased spending timelines. What he did say was that Trump was forceful and this was clearly having an impact. He did not say if it was a good or bad impact though.

https://www.rferl.org/a/theresa-may-trump-putin-summit-should-reduce-chance-nato-russia-conflict/29358533.html

Could you point me to the quotes you say show that he said there was a new timeline to the agreements made already by the previous US administration and the rest of NATO?

everlast75

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Look, just cause you and other 'Blame Trump for everything' folk so easily join dots to create a narrative that suits you (like photoshopping pics of children with Trump looking on) doesn't mean the rest of us should do similar.

You say it's "not difficult" to join said dots and I don't doubt that it is, just that some of us require a little more evidence before we so willing imply corruption.

the idea that a Trump supporter places any credence whatsoever in evidence is laughable. Their whole ethos is grounded in fiction and optics

Quin_Dub

RIGOLO wrote: »

Your missing the $40 billion elephant in the room. 
The agreements werent being met and the Trump administration  was not content with the timeline. Trump has been successful in speeding up the rate and amount of payment. Something Obama asked for but couldnt get accomplished. 
Unless your calling Jens Stoltenberg the Nato Secretary General a liar ...
On top of that, on the initiative of President Trump last May, last year, we agreed to develop the national plans as a very powerful tool, to make sure that Allies deliver on the promise to increase defence spending. 

That doesn't appear to be true -Trump claims to have gotten agreement to speed things up but Macron has just completely refuted that and said that not only are they not spending more money but the timeline to get to 2% remains exactly as it has been for several years - 2024.

So other than a worsening of relationships between the US and virtually everyone , what has changed?

mcmoustache

I doubt that her arrest is part of a conspiracy. My guess is that it was just some cops trying to make a name for themselves by arresting a high-profile individual. There's much more information to come out though.

There's a lot about this that seems a bit silly too. It's one of those seldomly enforced laws that you could use to target basically any stripper. It will be interesting to see if other acts, before and after Ms Clifford, performed similar acts but were not arrested. At the moment, it looks like targeted, selective enforcement to me.

everlast75

Manafort's trial begins in 2 weeks, Cohen is becoming more and more desperate to get Trump's attention and protection before he decides to flip and Trump himself will have to be deposed before Jan of next year in (another) sexual harassment suit.

We also have the Emoluments cases, the Trump foundation cases, the Mueller investigation which has already yielded far more than the Bengazi investigation in half the time, Flynn's sentencing, the Stephanie Clifford case, the McDougal case and also Broidy's hush money deal lapsing.

Every now and then I have to remind myself that amongst the sea of faecal throwing tantrums, lies, corruption, negligence, cruelty and incompetence, there are some things to look forward to.

James Brown

everlast75 wrote: »

2 things

1) they touched her. She touched them. It was therefore consensual (if it were not entrapment of course)

2) with 14 women plus accusing Trump of sexual harassment, its clear Trump was not joking

A punter touched her, she got arrested by under cover vice cops. The charge was 'allowing sexual touching'.

Yeah, Trump was bragging. The defense was 'locker room talk' not bad stand up.

mcmoustache

mcmoustache wrote: »

There's a lot about this that seems a bit silly too. It's one of those seldomly enforced laws that you could use to target basically any stripper. It will be interesting to see if other acts, before and after Ms Clifford, performed similar acts but were not arrested. At the moment, it looks like targeted, selective enforcement to me.

Just to add to what I already said (from WaPo):

The Ohio strip club law prohibiting the touching of dancers, the Community Defense Act, was proposed by a Cincinnati-based conservative religious organization and approved in 2007. But according to a Columbus Dispatch article in Sept, 2017 the law has rarely been used since then.

A spokesman for the Franklin County Sheriff’s office could find no instances in which the 2007 law had been used, he told the Dispatch.

This is definitely some kind of selective enforcement. I doubt prosecutors will want to touch this one with a barge pole. The MAGA heads will need to find something else in their never ending quest to pwn the libs.

everlast75

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Two thing;

A punter touched her, she got arrested by under cover vice cops. The charge was 'allowing sexual touching'.

Also, Trump was bragging. The defense was 'locker room talk' not bad stand up.

So she didn't touch them? And yet Pete says the punters were sexually assaulted? That's even worse.


As for the locker room talk, we'll see whether he was bragging or not early next year.

RIGOLO

Quin_Dub wrote: »

RIGOLO wrote: »

Your missing the $40 billion elephant in the room. 
The agreements werent being met and the Trump administration  was not content with the timeline. Trump has been successful in speeding up the rate and amount of payment. Something Obama asked for but couldnt get accomplished. 
Unless your calling Jens Stoltenberg the Nato Secretary General a liar ...
On top of that, on the initiative of President Trump last May, last year, we agreed to develop the national plans as a very powerful tool, to make sure that Allies deliver on the promise to increase defence spending. 

That doesn't appear to be true -Trump claims to have gotten agreement to speed things up but Macron has just completely refuted that and said that not only are they not spending more money but the timeline to get to 2% remains exactly as it has been for several years - 2024.

So other than a worsening of relationships between the US and virtually everyone , what has changed?

Macron is already on board with Trumps plan, he has increased French military spending and sped up meeting its target commitments, see the news from Feb. I suspect while the media was analysing body language during the Macron Trump meetings in the last 12 months and everyone was following that plot line, there was real work on geo-political issues like NATO spending goiong on, just under-reported.
Macron has even recently proposed bringing back National Service .This is from Feb. 
France on Wednesday announced plans to boost defence spending by more than 40 percent, bringing it into line with NATO targets after complaints from US President Donald Trump that Europe is not pulling its weight.



France on Wednesday announced plans to boost defence spending by more than 40 percent, bringing it into line with NATO targets after complaints from US President Donald Trump that Europe is not pulling its weight.
Now the question is why isnt Europes biggest economy dragging its heels and joining the D-FENCE party . 
Stoltenberg put it best 
We all agree that we do not have fair burden-sharing in our Alliance today. 
We all agree that we need more cash in national defence budgets;
More modern capabilities;
And more contributions to missions and operations.
The good news is that we are making progress.
For a quarter of a century, many of our countries have been cutting billions from their defence budgets.
Now, they are adding billions.
I for one think Trump administration has been driving this progress, and judging by Stoltenbergs comments he has the same assesment.

listermint

RIGOLO wrote: »

Macron is already on board with Trumps plan, he has increased French military spending and sped up meeting its target commitments, see the news from Feb. I suspect while the media was analysing body language during the Macron Trump meetings in the last 12 months and everyone was following that plot line, there was real work on geo-political issues like NATO spending goiong on, just under-reported.
Macron has even recently proposed bringing back National Service .This is from Feb. 
France on Wednesday announced plans to boost defence spending by more than 40 percent, bringing it into line with NATO targets after complaints from US President Donald Trump that Europe is not pulling its weight.



[font=Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]France on Wednesday announced plans to boost defence spending by more than 40 percent, bringing it into line with NATO targets after complaints from US President Donald Trump that Europe is not pulling its weight.[/font]
Now the question is why isnt Europes biggest economy dragging its heels and joining the D-FENCE party . 
Stoltenberg put it best 
We all agree that we do not have fair burden-sharing in our Alliance today. 
We all agree that we need more cash in national defence budgets;
More modern capabilities;
And more contributions to missions and operations.
The good news is that we are making progress.
For a quarter of a century, many of our countries have been cutting billions from their defence budgets.
Now, they are adding billions.
I for one think Trump administration has been driving this progress, and judging by Stoltenbergs comments he has the same assesment.

Aside from your bold text, which is ultra annoying.

The French increase by 40% is bringing it into line with NATO targets as outlined in the 2024 agreement not anything to do with Trump or his current plan which he will forget next week.

Captain Obvious

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Doubt what Stormy has to say will be having much impact from this point on.....


https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1017371733152681984

https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/1017342910088478720


....course Trump's be blamed for this already with many a cry of 'set up'.

It's pretty clearly a set up. Doesn't really matter though. Her story is very much out there already. It may result in Avanetti releasing something new in response though

RIGOLO

listermint wrote: »

Aside from your bold text, which is ultra annoying.

The French increase by 40% is bringing it into line with NATO targets as outlined in the 2024 agreement not anything to do with Trump or his current plan which he will forget next week.

Perhpas your new to the issue and have only begun following the story this week given Trump is in the news for being at the NATO summit.
Trump has been talking about this issue for 3 years, it was a campaign promise and issue. He will hardly forget about it next week given he has been talking about the issue for 3 years, and actually remedying it since he came into office. 
I do expect the media will forget about it next week in their search for an impeachable offence or something to save the DNC in November.

irishash

RIGOLO wrote: »

I for one think Trump administration has been driving this progress, and judging by Stoltenbergs comments he has the same assesment.

Ok, this clears it up - YOU think, not Stoltenberg, that Trump is making a difference. YOU are interpreting Stoltenberg's comments as confirmation that Trump is getting new deals done.

If I am wrong with the above assessment, please point me to quotes from Stoltenberg that back up what you say (specifically that Trump has gotten the other NATO countries to spend more money beyond what Bush's and Obama's administrations had already agreed with them).

Captain Obvious

I wonder will the coppers who targeted Stormy have their phone contents released and their political affiliations examined. I mean, if they are Trump supporters then Trump supporter logic would dictate it's an illegitimate witch hunt and the charges are bogey.