Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

RIGOLO

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Simple. Trump is a populist whose electoral strategy works as follows:

Bemoan as much as possible about modern America.Find a specific demographic to blame for this, ideally a minority so they can't hurt you at the ballot box.Promise to fix everything with a return to the good old, whiter days.

Khan just happens to be part of this demographic and isn't a far right populist. Hopefully he doesn't swing by Sheffield which has a socialist Muslim mayor.

RIGOLO wrote: »

Still having issues responding to ancapailldorchas post...

Working fine. I suspect subconcious self-sabotage.

Cool.. so as I was saying .
The economic data contradicts the assertion.
African American employment is at its highest.
African American earnings at their highest 
Hispanic earnings and employment also at its highest. 
Its in the US Dept Of Labour statistics.  
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006
That sort of divisive rhetoric , which ignores US Dept Of Labour statistics is not really conducive to debate. It just sucks all the oxygen out of any reasoned discussion. 
I think the left think that debate style will win the mid-terms and win 2020 by continuing that sort of viewpoint. They are playing into the GOP hands. It didnt work pre 2016 in stopping Trump and it wont work for the mid-terms or for 2020.

Danzy

Trump has a problem with illegal migration and believes in managed legal migration.

That is a view that a majority in America and in nearly all countries of the world hold.

The whack jobs at the fringes, the Koch brothers in the Libertarian Party, the Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, all have extreme views that only a tiny minority believe in, views more common at the very top of society.

Positions so extreme to the free market side that they are even rejected in ultra capitalist America.

His position on migration while hamfisted, remains correct and an admirable one.

Captain Obvious

StringerBell wrote: »

As expected poor Trump has not taken the giant baby well, says he feels unwelcome and doesn't blame the people of the UK cause they love him. It's the government obvious and that terrible London mayor who made him feel unwelcome so why would he want to go there.

Seems he made up some polling data too.

RIGOLO wrote: »

Yep theres some glitch you cant quote this mods post and respond to it ...

The economic data would contradict you
African American unemployment is at its lowest
African American wage earnings is at its highest
and the same for hispanics.

It's almost like the last 8 years of a black president has left the country a better place for black people. Who'd have thought it?

Captain Obvious

everlast75 wrote: »

Time for the hypocrisy horn folks!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/06/trumps-mar-lago-seeks-to-hire-61-foreign-workers.html

On Fox News? That is unexpected.

everlast75

Danzy wrote: »

Trump has a problem with illegal migration and believes in managed legal migration.

That is a view that a majority in America and in nearly all countries of the world hold.

The whack jobs at the fringes, the Koch brothers in the Libertarian Party, the Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, all have extreme views that only a tiny minority believe in, views more common at the very top of society.

Positions so extreme to the free market side that they are even rejected in ultra capitalist America.

His position on migration while hamfisted, remains correct and an admirable one.

"In June 2015, while Trump was a presidential candidate, he said, "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best."

He added: "They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

He did not specify that these people were illegal. He was talking about immigrants.

Stop being selective to mount a defence.

He is racist, pure and simple.

He has voiced a preference for immigration from nordic countries.
He doesn't like African places as they are sh1tholes.
He doesn't like mexicans either.

But he will sure as sh1t hire immigrants in his hotels, or ship in steel from outside the US for his construction, or have his Trump ties made in China.

But, you know, MAGA!!!!

Danzy

RIGOLO wrote: »

Cool.. so as I was saying .
The economic data contradicts the assertion.
African American employment is at its highest.
African American earnings at their highest 
Hispanic earnings and employment also at its highest. 
Its in the US Dept Of Labour statistics.  
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006
That sort of divisive rhetoric , which ignores US Dept Of Labour statistics is not really conducive to debate. It just sucks all the oxygen out of any reasoned discussion. 
I think the left think that debate style will win the mid-terms and win 2020 by continuing that sort of viewpoint. They are playing into the GOP hands. It didnt work pre 2016 in stopping Trump and it wont work for the mid-terms or for 2020.

Some of your posts often are Tractor production up 800% this month but this is spot on.


Many of the people most opposed to Trump are ideologues and largely from well heeled white neighbourhoods, especially the ones further to the left. They don't want to know or seem to care about things like this.

The narrative is all they know about others lives, or all they often want to know.

The doom mongering and hysteria will play in to his hands, anything bar economic collapse and the SS on the streets shooting people will be seen as the Donald not doing too bad a job.

If it continues that people are even a little better off, with the bar set so low by his opponents, it will make him seem like a genius.

He is cunning enough to know that and to let them carry on, provoke as needed, and they will deliver, same as they did in the Presidential election.

He has a good chance of winning because of who his opponents are, same as last time. His own side cannot match the effort.

listermint

Danzy wrote: »

Some of your posts often are Tractor production up 800% this month but this is spot on.


Many of the people most opposed to Trump are ideologues and largely from well heeled white neighbourhoods, especially the ones further to the left. They don't want to know or seem to care about things like this.

The narrative is all they know about others lives, or all they often want to know.

The doom mongering and hysteria will play in to his hands, anything bar economic collapse and the SS on the streets shooting people will be seen as the Donald not doing too bad a job.

If it continues that people are even a little better off, with the bar set so low by his opponents, it will make him seem like a genius.

He is cunning enough to know that and to let them carry on, provoke as needed, and they will deliver, same as they did in the Presidential election.

He has a good chance of winning because of who his opponents are, same as last time. His own side cannot match the effort.

Most of people , yada yada yada,

More deployment of manipulative social posting to put people in a favourable bracket to vilify them with zero evidence. Who are 'these' people? Where is your evidence of well heeled people suffering some form of episode or idealogue?

You have none its waffle, you pulled it off reddit or twitter.


And the second part where you say Trump is cunning, there is no facts to back this up whatsoever.

What has he delivered ? and specifics ?


No thought not, just the usual deployment of nonsense and run.

Christy42

Danzy wrote: »

Trump has a problem with illegal migration and believes in managed legal migration.

That is a view that a majority in America and in nearly all countries of the world hold.

The whack jobs at the fringes, the Koch brothers in the Libertarian Party, the Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, all have extreme views that only a tiny minority believe in, views more common at the very top of society.

Positions so extreme to the free market side that they are even rejected in ultra capitalist America.

His position on migration while hamfisted, remains correct and an admirable one.

Not ensuring proper facilities for children being taken from their parents and not keeping a record of which kid they took from which parent is being described as ham fisted...

No. Abuse of human rights can not be described as ham fisted. You get stuff like that right or don't f***in do anything.

He does not care about the lives he damaged and continues to damage. Using children as political blackmail is not "admirable". He is a stain on humanity.

If someone wants a conversation about immigration and what rules should be in place than fine. We can have that discussion but the abuses were unacceptable. Send someone who can plan immigration changes into politics and it might even happen at a national level.

Trump ran over any potential checks or discussions that would have pointed out the incredibly simple and incredibility damaging flaws in his plan. That is not a discussion. That is idiocy and barbarism.

Danzy

everlast75 wrote: »

"In June 2015, while Trump was a presidential candidate, he said, "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best."

He added: "They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

He did not specify that these people were illegal. He was talking about immigrants.

Stop being selective to mount a defence.

He is racist, pure and simple.

He has voiced a preference for immigration from nordic countries.
He doesn't like African places as they are sh1tholes.
He doesn't like mexicans either.

But he will sure as sh1t hire immigrants in his hotels, or ship in steel from outside the US for his construction, or have his Trump ties made in China.

But, you know, MAGA!!!!

Legal migration from Mexico is quite small, in comparison to the illegal one over the last few years.

The turning of the blind eye to illegal migration really took off in Reagan's America, as you would expect, the free market fanatic Gipper want cheap Labour, non-unionized Labour, non regulated Labour.

He is blunt and uncouth but the gist of his arguments are correct.

There is a very serious problem in having a community operate outside of the law.

Pity his opponents never wanted to do anything about these problems, it was easier to be an activist on Saturday, shop that afternoon and do Lunch on Sunday.

listermint

Danzy wrote: »

Legal migration from Mexico is quite small, in comparison to the illegal one over the last few years.

The turning of the blind eye to illegal migration really took off in Reagan's America, as you would expect, the free market fanatic Gipper want cheap Labour, non-unionized Labour, non regulated Labour.

He is blunt and uncouth but the gist of his arguments are correct.

There is a very serious problem in having a community operate outside of the law.

Pity his opponents never wanted to do anything about these problems, it was easier to be an activist on Saturday, shop that afternoon and do Lunch on Sunday.

The free market !?

Trump his ilk republicans and Tories are all for the Free Market,

How is you can be against the free market here and then for it with your support for all of the above.


Hilarious. Polar opposite opinions.

everlast75

Danzy wrote: »

Legal migration from Mexico is quite small, in comparison to the illegal one over the last few years.

I repeat. He did not specify whether he meant legal or illegal immigration. Therefore, he meant Mexicans. ALL mexicans. Legal and illegal, which means he is plain and simply racist.

I repeat - stop being selective about what he said.

Words matter. He is the most important and (god help us) powerful man on the planet and if you are saying "he didn't mean it", then simply he is not competent enough to articulate a specific point which has wide ranging consequences and therefore is incapable of being the President of the United States. That is a fact.

You know and I know what he said and why he said it. He is appealing to racists and by god is it working

Danzy wrote: »

The turning of the blind eye to illegal migration really took off in Reagan's America, as you would expect, the free market fanatic Gipper want cheap Labour, non-unionized Labour, non regulated Labour.

With all due respect, I didn't ask for a history lesson. We are talking about what is happening now. Under his administration. Try keep on point.

Danzy wrote: »

He is blunt and uncouth but the gist of his arguments are correct.

No! Your selective interpretation of his arguments make sense to you.

Danzy wrote: »

There is a very serious problem in having a community operate outside of the law.

No sane person would argue with you on that point, therefore it is moot.

Danzy wrote: »

Pity his opponents never wanted to do anything about these problems, it was easier to be an activist on Saturday, shop that afternoon and do Lunch on Sunday.

They did. There was a process in place. It was cheaper and more cost effective than what DJT is doing, but at this stage, I'm shouting into the void.

BabyCheeses

Danzy wrote: »

Trump has a problem with illegal migration and believes in managed legal migration.

That is a view that a majority in America and in nearly all countries of the world hold.

The whack jobs at the fringes, the Koch brothers in the Libertarian Party, the Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, all have extreme views that only a tiny minority believe in, views more common at the very top of society.

Positions so extreme to the free market side that they are even rejected in ultra capitalist America.

His position on migration while hamfisted, remains correct and an admirable one.

Banning people based on their religion is admirable? Pretty sure the US constitution says otherwise. Why does Trump hate the constitution?

listermint

listermint wrote: »

Most of people , yada yada yada,

More deployment of manipulative social posting to put people in a favourable bracket to vilify them with zero evidence. Why are these people. Where is your evidence of well heeled people suffering some form of episode or idealogue?

You have none its waffle, you pulled it off reddit or twitter.

In fairness, for two years I've been reading here and elsewhere that Trump's voters were the uneducated poor white people of America. If those aren't the white people who are massively anti-Trump, it leaves the non-poor educated as he described.

Broad strokes obviously but it fits with my own anecdotal experiences in terms of the people who are always complaining about Trump.

listermint

Deleted User wrote: »

In fairness, for two years I've been reading here and elsewhere that Trump's voters were the uneducated poor white people of America. If those aren't the white people who are massively anti-Trump, it leaves the non-poor educated as he described.

Broad strokes obviously but it fits with my own anecdotal experiences in terms of the people who are always complaining about Trump.

You have been reading hear for 2 years ?

From who ?

Anecdotal evidence? what is that you conversations with folks you just made up ?

This is usual format for people who like to propagate lies, they read it in Reddit they see a meme on twiiter or wherever it looks like it fits nicely in a box that they already imagined therefore it becomes fact and they continue the lie in other forums hoping not to get called on it.

Stop spreading lies lads it should be beneath you if you value being respected for your opinions.

The latest fad lie is Trump demented syndrome or some other crappy meme, no doubt this crap about Idealogues feeds into this drivel.

Danzy

listermint wrote: »

The free market !?

Trump his ilk republicans and Tories are all for the Free Market,

How is you can be against the free market here and then for it with your support for all of the above.


Hilarious. Polar opposite opinions.

They are but his approach to migration is not free market and that alone is a shift in outlook that is as big a challenge to Neoliberlism as it has had in decades. It is the only challenge to it.

Look at Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Keith Ellison, numerous others in the Democrats, very large numners in the modern Left.

They have a position that is ultra free market on migration yet will happily talk about worker's rights, the State having an obligation to the people, public services. It is laughable and increasinly across the West people are no longer buying it, this is seeing the Left die out in many areas, especially working class areas.

The only reason the West saw the large scale migration of the last 25 years, was the ascendancy of Neoliberal economics. It is the only reason it happened, the only way it can be sustained.

It provided cheap labour, demand and it finishes the idea of the Welfare State, makes it unworkable.

The Left, having become a largely well to do movement was less affected so it didn't mind.

An English commentator had a good line about the Tories sneering at their opponents while Labour sneers at its base.

Quin_Dub

RIGOLO wrote: »

Cool.. so as I was saying .
The economic data contradicts the assertion.
African American employment is at its highest.
African American earnings at their highest 
Hispanic earnings and employment also at its highest. 
Its in the US Dept Of Labour statistics.  
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006
That sort of divisive rhetoric , which ignores US Dept Of Labour statistics is not really conducive to debate. It just sucks all the oxygen out of any reasoned discussion. 
I think the left think that debate style will win the mid-terms and win 2020 by continuing that sort of viewpoint. They are playing into the GOP hands. It didnt work pre 2016 in stopping Trump and it wont work for the mid-terms or for 2020.

Largely this is correct ,however the key question in regards to Trump is "what specifically has he done to impact these figures?"

If you look at the data you posted and look at the trend it shows a steady and continuous improvement since some time in 2011.

There are no inflection points in the data since Trump took over , there's no change in the trend from a statistical perspective.

So all he has done is continue the downward trend that's been occurring for the last 7 years.

No question , Credit is due for not breaking that trend , but claims of him or his policies being responsible for it are simply not true.

Midlife

RIGOLO wrote: »

Cool.. so as I was saying .
The economic data contradicts the assertion.
African American employment is at its highest.
African American earnings at their highest 
Hispanic earnings and employment also at its highest. 
Its in the US Dept Of Labour statistics.  
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006
That sort of divisive rhetoric , which ignores US Dept Of Labour statistics is not really conducive to debate. It just sucks all the oxygen out of any reasoned discussion. 
I think the left think that debate style will win the mid-terms and win 2020 by continuing that sort of viewpoint. They are playing into the GOP hands. It didnt work pre 2016 in stopping Trump and it wont work for the mid-terms or for 2020.

How does black unemployment going down contradict the assertion that Trump is a populist who doesn't care for immigrants?

Please explain.

Christy42

Trump seems to have said little about immigrants bringing down wages. He is more focused on the crime aspect which has been shown to be misleading. Maybe get a politician who gives more honest reasons for it? Makes it easier to get the point across.

(Also shouldn't prison (slave) labour have the same effect on wages in the relevant communities but I never see it mentioned)

Danzy

listermint wrote: »

You have been reading hear for 2 years ?

From who ?

Anecdotal evidence? what is that you conversations with folks you just made up ?

This is usual format for people who like to propagate lies, they read it in Reddit they see a meme on twiiter or wherever it looks like it fits nicely in a box that they already imagined therefore it becomes fact and they continue the lie in other forums hoping not to get called on it.

Stop spreading lies lads it should be beneath you if you value being respected for your opinions.

The latest fad lie is Trump demented syndrome or some other crappy meme, no doubt this crap about Idealogues feeds into this drivel.

?

Can you rewrite that, so someone can maybe reply to it.

Or make it shorter but understandable.

relax carry on

Any chance RIGOLO or Danzy or any other Trump supporter answering the question why he feels the need to keep telling people he's a "stable genius"? Any thoughts?

Quin_Dub

All,

Let's cut out the personal digs at other posters please.

listermint

Danzy wrote: »

?

Can you rewrite that, so someone can maybe reply to it.

Or make it shorter but understandable.

it wasnt direct at you, unless of course you are 2 posters.

Are you ?

listermint

Danzy wrote: »

They are but his approach to migration is not free market and that alone is a shift in outlook that is as big a challenge to Neoliberlism as it has had in decades. It is the only challenge to it.

Look at Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Keith Ellison, numerous others in the Democrats, very large numners in the modern Left.

They have a position that is ultra free market on migration yet will happily talk about worker's rights, the State having an obligation to the people, public services. It is laughable and increasinly across the West people are no longer buying it, this is seeing the Left die out in many areas, especially working class areas.

The only reason the West saw the large scale migration of the last 25 years, was the ascendancy of Neoliberal economics. It is the only reason it happened, the only way it can be sustained.

It provided cheap labour, demand and it finishes the idea of the Welfare State, makes it unworkable.

The Left, having become a largely well to do movement was less affected so it didn't mind.

An English commentator had a good line about the Tories sneering at their opponents while Labour sneers at its base.

ah now its 'Ultra Free Market' and normal free market.

Its rare to see as much moving of the goalposts as youve managed this morning.

Scratch that, its not. Its a common theme in the defence of trump and usually stems from 'my guy' mentality.

Simple as that.


Who is this 'left' and why are they well to do or well healed ? do you have any evidence or examples of this at all. I mean i personally know electricians and plumbers who are pulling in 70K plus per year. Are these people the left ?

Id like a bit more evidence from your posts rather than musings and blanket statements about some bogey man people that you have come up with yourself who are self obsessed with 'your guy' and suffer some from of demon episode when is name is brought up. Because its a funny picture you are attempting to paint and not at all believable.

Danzy

relax carry on wrote: »

Any chance RIGOLO or Danzy or any other Trump supporter answering the question why he feels the need to keep telling people he's a "stable genius"? Any thoughts?

He is a narcissist.

I wouldn't call myself a Trump supporter but I agree with several of his things and see him as a disruptor to the Status quo and neoliberal order.

He is the result of 40 years of madness that was not sustainable.

Any port in a storm and no one else is bothering to change things.

Danzy

listermint wrote: »

ah now its 'Ultra Free Market' and normal free market.

Its rare to see as much moving of the goalposts as youve managed this morning.

Scratch that, its not. Its a common theme in the defence of trump and usually stems from 'my guy' mentality.

Simple as that.


Who is this 'left' and why are they well to do or well healed ? do you have any evidence or examples of this at all. I mean i personally know electricians and plumbers who are pulling in 70K plus per year. Are these people the left ?

Id like a bit more evidence from your posts rather than musings and blanket statements about some bogey man people that you have come up with yourself who are self obsessed with 'your guy' and suffer some from of demon episode when is name is brought up. Because its a funny picture you are attempting to paint and not at all believable.

I could care less if Trump was shot dead in the morning, don't wish it on anyone etc.

I don't know those people, are they on the Left.

I spent a lot of time over the last 20 years involved in Left wing politics here. It is a personal observation.

everlast75

relax carry on wrote: »

Any chance RIGOLO or Danzy or any other Trump supporter answering the question why he feels the need to keep telling people he's a "stable genius"? Any thoughts?

The same reason some bloke says "I'm not a racist" and then goes on.....

weisses

Danzy wrote: »

He is a narcissist.

I wouldn't call myself a Trump supporter but I agree with several of his things and see him as a disruptor to the Status quo and neoliberal order.

He is the result of 40 years of madness that was not sustainable.

Any port in a storm and no one else is bothering to change things.

I was under the impression the Bush era was a neocon order

He is in power because of a very flawed system, and the system didn't change now he is in power

I dont like having a mentally unstable narcissistic in control of ICBM's, just for the sake of it .... It doesn't get better if you trade in madness for utter madness

listermint

Danzy wrote: »

He is a narcissist.

I wouldn't call myself a Trump supporter but I agree with several of his things and see him as a disruptor to the Status quo and neoliberal order.

He is the result of 40 years of madness that was not sustainable.

Any port in a storm and no one else is bothering to change things.

He is a disruptor alright but not to the neoliberal order.

Your personal take on him being against the 'neoliberal order' is strange considering he is dismantling environmental and labour laws and putting in positions of power multiple captains of the industries that stove to fight against limits to their operational abilities.

He is strengthening the 'neoliberal agenda' giving power to corporations and big business in fact even giving them Money out of the Tax payers budget.

How you can dress this up as disrupting is beyond anyones comprehension. The only thing that he is disrupting is that he is pissing off people of centre traditional norms. And there are some folks out there that get joy from his antagonising people who dislike things like Racism and would be for i dont know, social assistance and healthcare.


The fact you cant see that has me scratching my head.

Leroy42

But Danzy can you not see the logical fallacy. You accept that he is a narcissist, and as such will do things that suit him, not necessarily what is right.

So fine, you happen to agree with several things he does, but what happens when he turns his ire in your direction (not you personally I would assume but your country, race, etc).

And even if you believe that you are safe from such a turn since you believe that Trump is on your side, the pattern is set for future leaders to follow and what happens if the next one is not of the same thinking as you but carries out their thinking along the same lines.

You are comfortable that that won't happen, he is never going to come after me. But he might well do, or the next person.

First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemöller

And that is the real danger of Trump. He is too chaotic and unprepared to actually get anything meaningful done (look at the disaster of his Muslin ban, the fabled Wall, repeal and replace). He simply does not have the patience or ideology needed to get these things through. But he is making massive changes to the balance of the court system. He is having massive influence on how the FBI are viewed. He is having a massive effect on how people view independent investigations. All that suits him, but when the FBI come out to try to warn about an upcoming terrorist attack will anyone listen? Why would they, its all made up to make Trump look bad.

And the next person will have Trump framework combined with actual ability. And that is worrying as by then Trump will have removed all the failsafes.

RIGOLO

Quin_Dub wrote: »

RIGOLO wrote: »

Cool.. so as I was saying .
The economic data contradicts the assertion.
African American employment is at its highest.
African American earnings at their highest 
Hispanic earnings and employment also at its highest. 
Its in the US Dept Of Labour statistics.  
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006
That sort of divisive rhetoric , which ignores US Dept Of Labour statistics is not really conducive to debate. It just sucks all the oxygen out of any reasoned discussion. 
I think the left think that debate style will win the mid-terms and win 2020 by continuing that sort of viewpoint. They are playing into the GOP hands. It didnt work pre 2016 in stopping Trump and it wont work for the mid-terms or for 2020.

Largely this is correct ,however the key question in regards to Trump is "what specifically has he done to impact these figures?"

If you look at the data you posted and look at the trend it shows a steady and continuous improvement since some time in 2011.

There are no inflection points in the data since Trump took over , there's no change in the trend from a statistical perspective.

So all he has done is continue the downward trend that's been occurring for the last 7 years.

No question , Credit is due for not breaking that trend , but claims of him or his policies being responsible for it are simply not true.

As any economist will tell you creating jobs in rising market is far harder than creating jobs when you have injected $4Trillion in QE into the economy. 
And like all economic numbers it has to be looked at in tandem with many others wage earnings, debt , deficit,  GDP, inflation , interest rates, yield curve etc. 
All of which are very positive and reflect Trump Administration achievements on the multi-strategy multi-pronged economic strategy.
All this guff about the economic progress being the result of Obama has to stop at some point, at some point anti-Trumpers will have to accept its now become Trumps economy.. or do ye plan on saying any positive economic data is the result of Obama right up to November 2020, or perhaps do ye plan to extend that into the second term 2020-2024 and if the US economy is doing well then its because of Obama 8 years ago.Besides your ignoring the reality of what the American voters experienced in their pockets.. 
Remember Obama and the DNC lost over 1000 local, state and congress seats in his 8 years , and ultimately the voters rejected more of the same economic policy when HRC was offered to them in 2016. 
Its Trumps Administrations economy and its booming. Roll on November , the blue wave will lock in the house and Senate a, perhaps another SCOTUS pick, and 2020 will be a lock in also. 

ohh and before the usual typical remarks about 'whatabouttery ' cos I mentioned Obama, Im responding to a post where someone else brought up Obama. 
Max Foster CNN reporting from outside Windsor said theres no sign of much of a protest, alot of barriers but not many protestors is what he said. I dont see that massive protest materialising, even the numbers in London look pretty small so far.