Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

Leroy42

That governor is soon to find himself out of a job I reckon!

Trumps body language is so transparent, I am amazed he ever managed to make a deal.

Within 25 seconds of that clip his arms are folder and he ain't listening to a word the man is saying.

Mr.Micro

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Aren't you the optimist!

I see no reason to suppose the Republican Party will impeach Trump no matter what Mueller says. Since it became obvious that Trump is guilty, they have been busily spreading enough baloney to justify calling Mueller a spoofer and binning his report. To end his Presidency, the Dems would have to win control of both houses in this years elections.

Nixon resigned rather than face disgrace, but Trump doesn't care. It might be faster just to beat him in the 2020 election in the end.

If it was discovered that Trump was a full blown Russian agent, the Republicians would back him...it's all about power and the Party, sound familiar, like here. Nothing to do with the good of the Nation, integrity, the law, treason etc. Mueller will be undermined over time, no matter what evidence he uncovers. The Russians and Republicians will make sure of that.

pixelburp

Leroy42 wrote: »

That governor is soon to find himself out of a job I reckon!

Trumps body language is so transparent, I am amazed he ever managed to make a deal.

Within 25 seconds of that clip his arms are folder and he ain't listening to a word the man is saying.

First thing I picked from it too; Trump's body language is so defensive, so transparently stroppy. As you say it's a wonder he ever acquired a reputation as a deal-maker. I'd love to know what his response was, it's a shame the video ended when it did.

But isn't all this ultimately academic, as those who might otherwise change their mind at the polls if presented with this blustering paper-tiger - boasting about how he'd have saved the day without a gun - simply don't get access or information of this blowhard being out of his depth. Or maybe they do see all & simply don't care.

jobbridge4life

Leroy42 wrote: »

That governor is soon to find himself out of a job I reckon!

Trumps body language is so transparent, I am amazed he ever managed to make a deal.

Within 25 seconds of that clip his arms are folder and he ain't listening to a word the man is saying.

It is honestly like a petulant child. Surreal.

david75

Nodding nodding nodding. Nope nope nope.
This leads me to wonder how WH staff deal with him. Are they afraid to tell him what’s actually going on? In case he blows up at them? He’s never been told no or he’s wrong, his entire life. But the blatant and childish body language here is telling.

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/968181277672296448

jooksavage

Penn wrote: »

https://www.apnews.com/27431e0cf11d4f53b6152754818d824c/The-Latest:-Eric-Trump-favors-'common-sense'-gun-measures?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics&__twitter_impression=true



I wonder how quickly he would have been able to run in there with those bone spurs still aggravating him.

My god Trump has done it... he's actually become a parody of a parody of himself.

He's well inside Kim Jong-Il hole-in-one territory with this one.

Call me Al

Leroy42 wrote: »

That governor is soon to find himself out of a job I reckon!

Trumps body language is so transparent, I am amazed he ever managed to make a deal.

Within 25 seconds of that clip his arms are folder and he ain't listening to a word the man is saying.

He isn't listening, with arms folded, and he is also rocking himself from side to side. That to me is very telling of his comfort levels, or lack thereof, at that moment.
He's very transparent with stuff like this.

Penn

Sarah Sanders saying in the Press Briefing that Trump didn't mean he'd go in and take on the gunman, but rather that he'd try to be a leader and be courageous.

REPORTER: "When the president said earlier today that he would have run into the school, was he suggesting that he could have saved the day?"
SANDERS: "I don't think that was the point he was making. He was saying he would be a leader and would want to take a courageous action"

robinph

Penn wrote: »

Sarah Sanders saying in the Press Briefing that Trump didn't mean he'd go in and take on the gunman, but rather that he'd try to be a leader and be courageous.

I expect a tweet shortly saying that the press is lying and he didn't say that he'd go in without a weapon, but what he actually said was that without a weapon he'd have gone in and that is somehow completely different.

Just like last week where he was arguing about if he said to arm teachers or that teachers should be armed.

dr.fuzzenstein

Penn wrote: »

Sarah Sanders saying in the Press Briefing that Trump didn't mean he'd go in and take on the gunman, but rather that he'd try to be a leader and be courageous.

REPORTER: "When the president said earlier today that he would have run into the school, was he suggesting that he could have saved the day?"
SANDERS: "I don't think that was the point he was making. He was saying he would be a leader and would want to take a courageous action"

Spinning faster than the blades of the presidential chopper.

everlast75

Penn wrote: »

Sarah Sanders saying in the Press Briefing that Trump didn't mean he'd go in and take on the gunman, but rather that he'd try to be a leader and be courageous.

REPORTER: "When the president said earlier today that he would have run into the school, was he suggesting that he could have saved the day?"
SANDERS: "I don't think that was the point he was making. He was saying he would be a leader and would want to take a courageous action"

Courageous Action? Name one example where he displayed such a trait. In all his existence - just one.

It's bordering on North Korea stuff now.

robinph

everlast75 wrote: »

Courageous Action? Name one example where he displayed such a trait. In all his existence - just one.

It's bordering on North Korea stuff now.

Didn't he courageously run out of the Mar A Largo and throw up when someone had a nose bleed?

Water John

I suppose he'd be alright, as long as there wasn't steps into the school.

relax carry on

david75 wrote: »

Amazing. This guys got serious balls to say this to the Donald.

‘A little less tweeting and a little more listening’

https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/status/968181033861447685

What will it take for the American people to realise what a complete narcissistic fantasist they have in this gobsh**te of a president? What is the point trying to engage with him?

dr.fuzzenstein

relax carry on wrote: »

What will it take for the American people to realise what a complete narcissistic fantasist they have in this gobsh**te of a president? What is the point trying to engage with him?

I guess they identify with him...

Cookie_Monster

ArthurDayne wrote: »

This 'arm the teachers' idea is so preposterously stupid that, only for the fact it is being espoused by powerful people in America, I would not even dignify it with serious criticism. How far down the rabbit hole must a developed, first world country be to even muse about this as a viable solution?

ultimately how long until there are calls to arm doctors and nurses in a similar manner, or social workers out on call or simply all state / federal employees?

david75

I’ve now switched to binge watching the West Wing, monthly as opposed to occasionally.

If you had written Donald’s presidency as a tv comedy You couldn’t have ever hoped it would be greenlit. Here we are. Real world. And he’s the American President.


Have we stepped into an alternative reality? He certainly seems to live in his own one.

Manic Moran

For those that can't read the link, the supreme court has upheld the ruling from the lower courts that blocked his ability to deny protection to immigrants, so his March 5th deadline to start phasing it out is, in essence, rendered moot

Not quite. The supreme court did not issue an opinion one way or the other on the lower courts' ruling. All they did was to refuse an unusual procedural request to bypass the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, and let the system of the lower courts perform in their normal manner. It should not be taken as any form of indication of support or otherwise on DACA.

However, yes, so far, the 5 March deadline is suspended, unless the 9th Circuit says otherwise in the next week or so.

aloyisious

Don Trump displayed his courage and fitness for office when, while a protestor was being escorted under restraint out of one of his election hall meetings and a by-stander attacked the protestor, Don shouted he'd like to go down and take a punch at the protestor. That also made it clear at the time what his character was, and is, made of.

In a way, that defines how the voter decided the result. Don was seen as more preferable than Hillary.

pixelburp

Thing is, and what really concerns me, is not the ramblings of Kim Jon Orange as such, but the precedent he has set, and depths that he continues to plumb. His behaviour screams wannabe dictator / president for life (not least his open fondness for and friendship with actual strongmen such as Putin or Duterte), but is too impulsive and incompetent, while his staff too chaotically inept, to actually form that kind of state. But clearly the genetics for an authoritarian America are there, stoked by his rhetoric and gusto; I worry that there are those smarter, and more organised than Trump who will take the seeds planted, and make a more successful stab at a hard line takeover. Trumps an emotional moron, but his successor may not be.

To be fair, I could see the opposite too: what few positive outcomes there are, it could yet be that Trump that acts as the rallying cry to pull America back from that path, though the true sign of that more optimistic outlook probably lies in the midterm elections...

aloyisious

I got to be a bit of a fan of Fox news, more the reader who put on the faux puzzled look when listening to his guests explain things to him [as it amused me that some-one in such a job found it necessary to do so] so I've taken to looking at it's online version. It's reporting that following on from Delta Airlines decision to break ties with the NRA, Georgia's Lt Gov, Casey Cagle, joined the fray saying that unless Delta renews it's ties with the NRA, he'll block new tax breaks offered to Delta. He's been joined in that by other Georgia state lawmakers.

Edit: It's possible that Broward County Sheriff Israel will be the first political victim to the shooting as Florida republican party politicians are looking for his resignation and have asked the Governor to fire him, reimnding people the Sheriff is an elected Democrat, not a Republican. The Florida Gov, at the governors meeting with Don, where one member asked Don to lessen the tweeting, said [from the same rostrum where Don stood] he was opposed to arming the teachers.

eire4

pixelburp wrote: »

Thing is, and what really concerns me, is not the ramblings of Kim Jon Orange as such, but the precedent he has set, and depths that he continues to plumb. His behaviour screams wannabe dictator / president for life (not least his open fondness for and friendship with actual strongmen such as Putin or Duterte), but is too impulsive and incompetent, while his staff too chaotically inept, to actually form that kind of state. But clearly the genetics for an authoritarian America are there, stoked by his rhetoric and gusto; I worry that there are those smarter, and more organised than Trump who will take the seeds planted, and make a more successful stab at a hard line takeover. Trumps an emotional moron, but his successor may not be.

To be fair, I could see the opposite too: what few positive outcomes there are, it could yet be that Trump that acts as the rallying cry to pull America back from that path, though the true sign of that more optimistic outlook probably lies in the midterm elections...

Sadly I would not be putting too much hope into the mid term elections next November. The Democratic party is still corporate controlled and their main position heading into the mid terms seems to be a variation of vote for the lesser evil in this case vote against the president. They still show no interest whatsoever in attracting the at least half of Americans who do not vote. So even if they win both houses not a lot will change as the corporate Democrats will just stay in control and feel hey look we won so we don't actually have to change and actually try and work and do things that are in the best interests of most Americans.

Last time out the usual pathetic turnout from a corrupt and broken system saw only 33% turnout in 2014 while the presidential turnout was pathetic once again in 2016 at 54%. Time will tell what will happen this time around but I would not be getting too hopeful that next November will do anything other then maybe slow the bleeding towards an authoritarian regime fully taking over in the US in the future. They are already an oligarchy rather then a democracy at this point IMHO.

PropJoe10

Leroy42 wrote: »

That governor is soon to find himself out of a job I reckon!

Trumps body language is so transparent, I am amazed he ever managed to make a deal.

Within 25 seconds of that clip his arms are folder and he ain't listening to a word the man is saying.

The main problem that anyone having to deal with Trump has is that Trump has now spent 60+ years getting his own way. That's why he acts like a spoilt petulant child the minute anyone says something that's even slightly negative about him. He can't handle it, because he's never been in that situation before in his life.

It's not at all surprising but it sure as hell is scary to watch a man in his position that's so damn insecure.

There are still a percentage of the US who support him and see him as doing no wrong and despite their hatred of commies will still vote for him despite evidence of Russian meddling or not.
Strange to hear some yanks going on about certain people being commies, but I guess over 40 years of watching for reds under the bed is a hard habit to break.

A good few contributors on here especially in AH, have stated that Ireland could do with him being in charge, and echo very similar statements to him and his supporters regarding muslims, transgender persons etc, so we shouldn't perhaps be giving out about the US pop as we're not short of our own.

We're at full capacity for gobsh1te politicians in my opinion, but some may disagree and that's fine.
But we have a similar problem as our friends in the US, and by this I mean the ordinary joe/josaphine soap, the person who is just trying to get along from pay day to pay day, without losing sleep ranting on here because someone gets social welfare, or someone told a dirty joke in front of them in work, and its that we don't have a credible alternative to being f*cked over by FG or FF and what ever junior partner they bring in to rubber stamp stuff.
They just need to decide if it's the republicans or the democrats that are doing them over.

Manic Moran

It's possible that Broward County Sheriff Israel will be the first political victim to the shooting

He's not going to be a political victim. If, indeed, four of his deputies failed to act, as Coral Springs police personnel claim, that's a failing in command climate and corporate culture, and he should go. According to the CNN article from preliminary information, of at least six of Israel's deputies who showed up, only two entered the school, and at that, after the Coral Springs cops. That looks very bad on his department. For the same reason, you have seen Admirals recently fired/forced into retirement for the failure of leadership given the poor decisions made by junior officers under their command resulting in the deaths of US sailors last year.

That's not to say the Sheriff's not being politically lampooned as well. He's getting quite the pasting on the Facebook memes, but the leadership problem alone is plenty enough to lose trust in his ability to perform in his position.

So even if they win both houses not a lot will change

Not likely, honestly. Look at the seats up for election in the Senate, most of them are Democrat held, and a lot are in States Trump won by a very considerable margin. A gain for Republicans is not improbable. The Ds have a better shot at the House, though. The Ds are also starting to fracture within themselves. For example, in last week's California convention, they failed to endorse Dianne Feinstein for Senator, or even Gavin Newsome for Governor, being split between the left, and hard-left wings.

ECO_Mental

Manic Moran wrote: »

The Ds are also starting to fracture within themselves. For example, in last week's California convention, they failed to endorse Dianne Feinstein for Senator, or even Gavin Newsome for Governor, being split between the left, and hard-left wings.

In all fairness Feinstein is bloody 84.... she needs to have some cop on and retire and let someone new in with fresh ideas and drive.

Hande hoche!

Wouldn't be surprised if Sheriff Israel got the sack. He was very eager to dish out the blame at the town hall event. Considerably less effective when his own department's shortcomings were being pointed out. The Jake Tapper interview was a bit of a mess too.

As you regards POTUS, he is uncharacteristically quiet on the Twitter machine.

Overheal

You shouldn’t find it surprising that conspiracy theorists and Russian bots are pushing the concept that the failure of the sheriffs office is evidence they were ‘in on’ a liberal conspiracy to let the attack play out in order to force gun controls or something. :rolleyes:

aloyisious

Manic Moran wrote: »

He's not going to be a political victim. If, indeed, four of his deputies failed to act, as Coral Springs police personnel claim, that's a failing in command climate and corporate culture, and he should go. According to the CNN article from preliminary information, of at least six of Israel's deputies who showed up, only two entered the school, and at that, after the Coral Springs cops. That looks very bad on his department. For the same reason, you have seen Admirals recently fired/forced into retirement for the failure of leadership given the poor decisions made by junior officers under their command resulting in the deaths of US sailors last year.

That's not to say the Sheriff's not being politically lampooned as well. He's getting quite the pasting on the Facebook memes, but the leadership problem alone is plenty enough to lose trust in his ability to perform in his position:

Got that on resignation policy [you are responsible for what the Pers under your command do or fail to do, whether you knew about it or not] as the SOP in booted & suited - Ditto for Snr Irish Mil - the buck stops there.

There's conflicting stories in the media as to what is laid down for B/C police in shooting incidents like this, one saying P/Pers to enter immediately, other that P/Pers wait for back-up to arrive first. I don't know what the policy is or what Trng it has for such incidents, or even which Police force has scene seniority, if Broward County [despite title of county] outranks Coral Springs in police legal authority [ala FBI V locals].

Leroy42

aloyisious wrote: »

Got that on resignation policy [you are responsible for what the Pers under your command do or fail to do, whether you knew about it or not] as the SOP in booted & suited - Ditto for Snr Irish Mil - the buck stops there.

There's conflicting stories in the media as to what is laid down for B/C police in shooting incidents like this, one saying P/Pers to enter immediately, other that P/Pers wait for back-up to arrive first. I don't know what the policy is or what Trng it has for such incidents, or even which Police force has scene seniority, if Broward County [despite title of county] outranks Coral Springs in police legal authority [ala FBI V locals].

So why would that be different for POTUS.

We have had plenty of resignations under his command, yet there he stands.