Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

FreudianSlippers

Leroy42 wrote: »

That governor is soon to find himself out of a job I reckon!

Doubtful as Washington is a pretty blue state... if anything, I'd say that his comment is going to serve him well in the polls at home.

aloyisious

Leroy42 wrote: »

So why would that be different for POTUS.

We have had plenty of resignations under his command, yet there he stands.

Lack of civic objectivity and reason on his part. Re resignation, Don is strange.

No offense meant to civilians in general as all Mil Pers originate from said population.

david75

That’s astonishing and shocking. Hope it gets th coverage it deserves.

https://twitter.com/WilDonnelly/status/968523050437226497

demfad

Gates has had 17 of his indictment counts dropped by Mueller. He has delivered.

eire4

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Doubtful as Washington is a pretty blue state... if anything, I'd say that his comment is going to serve him well in the polls at home.

It is one of only a handful of Democratic controlled states with both houses and the Governor all been Democrat controlled. Aside from that fact he is not up for re-election until 2020 anyway if he choses to run for a third term as Washington governor.

david75

eire4 wrote: »

It is one of only a handful of Democratic controlled states with both houses and the Governor all been Democrat controlled. Aside from that fact he is not up fro re-election until 2020 anyway if he choses to run for a third term as Washington governor.

Good few pals in WA and say he’s a great governor and really well liked overall.

eire4

david75 wrote: »

Good few pals in WA and say he’s a great governor and really well liked overall.

Agreed even if he was up for re election this year he would be under no real threat.

Manic Moran

aloyisious wrote: »

There's conflicting stories in the media as to what is laid down for B/C police in shooting incidents like this, one saying P/Pers to enter immediately, other that P/Pers wait for back-up to arrive first. I don't know what the policy is or what Trng it has for such incidents, or even which Police force has scene seniority, if Broward County [despite title of county] outranks Coral Springs in police legal authority [ala FBI V locals].

Standard professional recommendations for a few decades now has been for the first officer on the scene to make immediate entry. There had been an number of cases where the first police waited for backup or SWAT, and the killing had continued, particularly Columbine, CO, and Ecole Polytechnique, QC. That caused a rethink of policy through the early 1990s, and the rethink has been considered to be validated since the Dawson College, QC, shooting in 2006.

BC's policy officially leaves it to local officer discretion. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/23/what-deputy-supposed-do-school-shooting-go/368252002/

everlast75

And Jared loses security clearance!

mcmoustache

everlast75 wrote: »

And Jared loses security clearance!

And his assistant/spokesperson.

Hande hoche!

everlast75 wrote: »

And Jared loses security clearance!

Probably would have been beneficial to the administration about a year ago.

Itssoeasy

demfad wrote: »

Gates has had 17 of his indictment counts dropped by Mueller. He has delivered.

He's singing like Pavarotti.

Itssoeasy

demfad wrote: »

Gates has had 17 of his indictment counts dropped by Mueller. He has delivered.

He's singing like Pavarotti.

mcmoustache

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Probably would have been beneficial to the administration about a year ago.

But wait, there's more...

Officials in at least four countries have privately discussed ways they can manipulate Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, by taking advantage of his complex business arrangements, financial difficulties and lack of foreign policy experience, according to current and former U.S. officials familiar with intelligence reports on the matter.
Among those nations discussing ways to influence Kushner to their advantage were the United Arab Emirates, China, Israel and Mexico, the current and former officials said.

Mexico? I guess we now know what happened to that wall.

Hande hoche!

mcmoustache wrote: »

But wait, there's more...



Mexico? I guess we now know what happened to that wall.

The UAE and the Israelis seem to be doing well with the Americans at the moment. The other two less so.

Manic Moran

You know that silliness over how Trump said he would run into the school in florida, even unarmed? I can't help but wonder if he actually would have done that. He seems so sure of himself and his ability, that I don't think it would possibly have occurred to him that he should be worried by the idea of getting shot.

In an interesting twist of fate, you remember that hispanic judge that Trump didn't think could be impartial? He just ruled on the border wall. https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/27/politics/border-wall-ruling-curiel/index.html

david75

Oh dear. Didn’t this happen in the run up to 9/11?

CNN reporting 11 people being medically treated at military base in Washington DC when a letter was opened at an admin base. Near Pentagon.

Manic Moran

david75 wrote: »

Oh dear. Didn’t this happen in the run up to 9/11?

CNN reporting 11 people being medically treated at military base in Washington DC when a letter was opened at an admin base. Near Pentagon.

Huh. A corporal, gunnery sergeant and a colonel all exhibited symptoms of a burning sensation on their hands and face, according to Specialist Nicholas Hodges who spoke to CNN from the base.
One individual had a nose bleed.

That's a little unusual for the normal anthrax-type suspicion.
Not least, I'd wager most of us have had our anthrax shots by now. (Hands down the most painful innoculation I've ever received).

I'm also very curious to know who this Specialist Hodges is. Soldiers of such exhaulted rank don't normally give press briefings.

everlast75

Manic Moran wrote: »

You know that silliness over how Trump said he would run into the school in florida, even unarmed? I can't help but wonder if he actually would have done that. He seems so sure of himself and his ability, that I don't think it would possibly have occurred to him that he should be worried by the idea of getting shot.

This guy??? Seriously??


https://giphy.com/gifs/donald-eagle-bald-ZLpVNgQHN2d4Q

Peregrinus

Manic Moran wrote: »

You know that silliness over how Trump said he would run into the school in florida, even unarmed? I can't help but wonder if he actually would have done that. He seems so sure of himself and his ability, that I don't think it would possibly have occurred to him that he should be worried by the idea of getting shot.

Well, he was worried enough about getting shot to seek, and obtain, five consecutive draft deferments during the Vietnam war.

Leroy42

Manic Moran wrote: »

You know that silliness over how Trump said he would run into the school in florida, even unarmed? I can't help but wonder if he actually would have done that. He seems so sure of himself and his ability, that I don't think it would possibly have occurred to him that he should be worried by the idea of getting shot.

Not a hope. He has never shown any signs of him doing anything that doesn't suit him. He has history of helping others. All of a sudden hes John McClane?

The man can't even handle a press conference,

Igotadose

On a Russia-related note, Roger Stone, whacko Trump bulldog advisor with a Nixon tattoo on his back, had many interactions with Wikileaks and the Atlantic's gotten ahold of some of them. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/roger-stones-secret-messages-with-wikileaks/554432/. I don't think this is particularly exciting news - never believed anything he said and ffs a Nixon tattoo? - but it's yet another arc in the Trump Campaign/Russia relationship being brought to light.

aloyisious

Manic Moran wrote: »

You know that silliness over how Trump said he would run into the school in florida, even unarmed? I can't help but wonder if he actually would have done that. He seems so sure of himself and his ability, that I don't think it would possibly have occurred to him that he should be worried by the idea of getting shot.

In an interesting twist of fate, you remember that hispanic judge that Trump didn't think could be impartial? He just ruled on the border wall. https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/27/politics/border-wall-ruling-curiel/index.html

Wishful thinking on his part, he might have posed the notion of being able to rush in if he was in a pre-Nov 2016 position but not since then and he know's it. He'd have a full Service detail with him, saying "Mr President, you ain't going nowhere".

The wall decision from an independent judiciary, it'd be interesting to see how he'd comment on that. he's still faced with getting the funding from congress.

demfad

Igotadose wrote: »

On a Russia-related note, Roger Stone, whacko Trump bulldog advisor with a Nixon tattoo on his back, had many interactions with Wikileaks and the Atlantic's gotten ahold of some of them. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/roger-stones-secret-messages-with-wikileaks/554432/. I don't think this is particularly exciting news - never believed anything he said and ffs a Nixon tattoo? - but it's yet another arc in the Trump Campaign/Russia relationship being brought to light.

Stone was one if the original Nixon Ratfu.... He also ran the Reagan campaign with Paul Manafort. On the back of this they set up the lobbying group Stone-Manafort-Black. They were able to lobby their Washington connections usually for dodgy authoritarians who needed it. This eventually led to Manafort (with GTes) lobbying for Yanukovitz and generally for the Kremlin (reportedly).
Newscorp. was a client of the firm which is underreported or not reported.

Leroy42

aloyisious wrote: »

Wishful thinking on his part, he might have posed the notion of being able to rush in if he was in a pre-Nov 2016 position but not since then and he know's it. He'd have a full Service detail with him, saying "Mr President, you ain't going nowhere".

Again, he has shown no history of doing anything even remotely like this. When faced with fighting for his country, he choose to stay outside the war.

Even his press sec, SHS, didn't try to stand by the remarks. She stated he didn't mean he would actually go in, but rather he would show leadership!

In terms of the Roger Stone story, it will of course be cast aside as another meaningless nothingburger, but it is actually quite a big reveal.

Stone has always denied having links to Wikileaks, now we know that he was in direct contact with them and one can safely take it he knew what they had and they worked together to achieve maximum impact.

So we now have Manafort being in contact with Russians, Flynn lying about contacts to the FBI, Sessions lying to congress. Kushner lying on official forms. Gates has lied to the FBI. And Stone was in direct contact with Wikileaks. Trump Jr covered up an attempt to gain illegal info on HC from Russia.

Recall that the day that the Pussygate video broke, Wikileaks released 2000+ e-mails from Podesta. We now can be fairly sure that Stone was involved in the decisions.

And throughout all of this we are supposed to believe that Trump himself knew nothing of any of this. Trump, who himself claimed that he was the only important person in the WH. Trump who has always run his business directly.

It is some serious mental gymnastics that need to be done to continue to believe that all this fraud and lying was happening around Trump and yet he never knew about it. The single biggest project that he ever worked on, running for POTUS, he he decided that for that period only he completely change the way he had done everything else in his life, and then revert to norm when he won.

mcmoustache

Mueller's team is reportedly asking about Trump's business dealings in Russia prior to the run for president.

Questions to some witnesses during wide-ranging interviews included the timing of Trump's decision to seek the presidency, potentially compromising information the Russians may have had about him, and why efforts to brand a Trump Tower in Moscow fell through, two sources said.

The lines of inquiry indicate Mueller's team is reaching beyond the campaign to explore how the Russians might have sought to influence Trump at a time when he was discussing deals in Moscow and contemplating a presidential run.

This might not seem like a big deal considering what we already know but this hints that Mueller is looking into Trump himself and possible conspiracy between him and the Russians - dossier stuff. There has been plenty of activity around people in his orbit but now things have moved closer to the man himself.

AbusesToilets

mcmoustache wrote: »

Mueller's team is reportedly asking about Trump's business dealings in Russia prior to the run for president.



This might not seem like a big deal considering what we already know but this hints that Mueller is looking into Trump himself and possible conspiracy between him and the Russians - dossier stuff. There has been plenty of activity around people in his orbit but now things have moved closer to the man himself.

To me, that would be the real story in all of this. There is mounting circumstantial evidence that Trump has had shady financial dealings with Russian elements for years.

everlast75

AbusesToilets wrote: »

To me, that would be the real story in all of this. There is mounting circumstantial evidence that Trump has had shady financial dealings with Russian elements for years.

That link to the NPR embedded podcast that David post the link to is quite telling in that regard

Professor Moriarty

aloyisious wrote: »

Wishful thinking on his part, he might have posed the notion of being able to rush in if he was in a pre-Nov 2016 position but not since then and he know's it. He'd have a full Service detail with him, saying "Mr President, you ain't going nowhere".

The wall decision from an independent judiciary, it'd be interesting to see how he'd comment on that. he's still faced with getting the funding from congress.

The Donald is a draft dodger and a narcissistic bully who has 15 accusations of sexual assault against him. Politically, he has thrown multiple associates under the bus to protect himself. His 'policies' change with the wind. So he is a physical and moral coward. There is zero chance of him ever doing anything other than saving his own skin.

Leroy42

On Kushner, this is a major blow to his standing in the WH.

Surely he won't last long now that he has been so publicly demoted?

And how can he even try to do his jobs (in charge of ME peace for example) when he will have to leave meetings when things turn to top secret stuff?

IMO, he will be gone by the end of the year. Usual "spend more time with the family, achieved everything he set out to, let Trump concentrate on 2020" etc