Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

jobbridge4life

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I'm sure she knew that The Donald wasn't above reproach as a human being. However, I very much doubt if she anticipated that he would be having regular sex with a porn star while she was pregnant with their first child.

If what Daniels says is true and proven, The Donald can forget the female vote if he survives at all.

She knew that he cheated on his previous wives. She knew he was shameless about it. His philandering and disgusting attitude to women was and is well known. She made a decision to go along with it.

everlast75

Christy, Ryan and Graham all on the record defending Mueller and saying his investigation should proceed.. For what their words are worth

StringerBell

everlast75 wrote: »

Christy, Ryan and Graham all on the record defending Mueller and saying his investigation should proceed.. For what their words are worth

Ryan trying to keep himself just clean enough to be able to run for the presidency when all this **** is over. Very calculated.

Leroy42

Not that I expect anything to actually change, but I have picked up a slight change in the GOP over the last few weeks in regard to Trump.

Maybe it is simply me looking for something that isn't there, and I don't think for a second that it is anything to do with GOP having an issue with what Trump is doing.

Its more that the recent electoral loses are showing that maybe Trump isn't the key to survival that it was painted as. There is even some, muted, talk of a potential GOP primary challenger for 2020. I doubt it is designed to oust Trump, but as mentioned above about Ryan, I believe it is trying to position GOP should things continue to do the direction they are.

It makes the mid-terms even more important. Should the GOP do badly, then I think you will see a huge movement away from Trump.

It is therefore extremely important that the DNC focus on getting the vote out, and getting it out in areas that can make a difference. No point winning California by double points, look at getting these non voters in Ohio etc out.

aloyisious

If Trump Fires Mueller, It's the Beginning of the End, Senator Lindsey Graham Warns.

Graham putting the accent on the fact that Mueller is a good guy and that he, as a republican, sees no cause for dismissal when it comes to Mr. Mueller. He needs to be able to do his job independent of any political influence. I pledge to the American people as a Republican to make sure that Mr. Mueller can continue to do his job without any interference. I think he's doing a good job."

Asked if the [sic:Trump] tweets made him concerned for Mueller's job safety, Graham said the president would fire the special counsel at his own peril. "As I’ve said before, if he tried to do that it would be the beginning of the end of his presidency because we're a rule of law nation".

It'll be over to Ron to refuse any presidential order to fire Mueller. If he's worth anything, he'll say "NO Mr President, I won't fire Mueller" the same way the AG and D/AG of the day refused RM Nixon's order and were fired by him. Force Don into signing his own firing warrant.

aloyisious

Leroy42 wrote: »

Not that I expect anything to actually change, but I have picked up a slight change in the GOP over the last few weeks in regard to Trump.

Maybe it is simply me looking for something that isn't there, and I don't think for a second that it is anything to do with GOP having an issue with what Trump is doing.

Its more that the recent electoral loses are showing that maybe Trump isn't the key to survival that it was painted as. There is even some, muted, talk of a potential GOP primary challenger for 2020. I doubt it is designed to oust Trump, but as mentioned above about Ryan, I believe it is trying to position GOP should things continue to do the direction they are.

It makes the mid-terms even more important. Should the GOP do badly, then I think you will see a huge movement away from Trump.

It is therefore extremely important that the DNC focus on getting the vote out, and getting it out in areas that can make a difference. No point winning California by double points, look at getting these non voters in Ohio etc out.

So the DNC and party members must aim to win the electoral college vote as well as the popular vote this time. Their candidate must do the stumping of all the states and districts as many times as can be done.

Christy42

aloyisious wrote: »

So the DNC and party members must aim to win the electoral college vote as well as the popular vote this time. Their candidate must do the stumping of all the states and districts as many times as can be done.

Nope they can chuck California, New York or ultra red states out the window. They won't change. Go for Ohio, Florida and a few others.

The electoral college is a weird one. It was designed to ensure smaller states would not end up pointless but it just moved the irrelevant label to different states.

9 years ago Trump did get something right. It is a bad system (and not because it helped Trump win).

Have each state award ECs on a proportional basis and suddenly they are each important.

Professor Moriarty

jobbridge4life wrote: »

She knew that he cheated on his previous wives. She knew he was shameless about it. His philandering and disgusting attitude to women was and is well known. She made a decision to go along with it.

Fair point. However, maybe she thought she was different. Maybe she felt special. Maybe she deserves the humiliation of all of this. Maybe she doesn't. We'll never know. Certainly, the child doesn't deserve the humiliation.

aloyisious

Christy42 wrote: »

Nope they can chuck California, New York or ultra red states out the window. They won't change. Go for Ohio, Florida and a few others.

The electoral college is a weird one. It was designed to ensure smaller states would not end up pointless but it just moved the irrelevant label to different states.

9 years ago Trump did get something right. It is a bad system (and not because it helped Trump win).

Have each state award ECs on a proportional basis and suddenly they are each important.

So mny [capitol hill] Senators and C/members per hundred thousand, rather than the fixed ratio at present?

There'd have to be no way gerrymandering of district voting lines could be rigged to ensure proper PR, by reducing overall numbers to less than 100,000 in some areas and more in others.

For Forks Sake

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Fair point. However, maybe she thought she was different. Maybe she felt special. Maybe she deserves the humiliation of all of this. Maybe she doesn't. We'll never know. Certainly, the child doesn't deserve the humiliation.

How much time does Donald actually spend with that child? I saw something before (and can't find the link) outlining what he's done with his downtime (most of it involving playing golf at his own courses and billing the taxpayer for the privilege) and little to none of it involved Melania or Barron.

Family Values party my arse.

everlast75

He's baaaaaaccckkk...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/975720503997620224?s=19

Itssoeasy

I actually do feel sorry for his son Barron. He looks miserable every time I see him on camera. I know people will say that Melania shouldn't get sympathy because she knew what she was getting into but she does seem to have some decency to her. Also she looks miserable being in the White House.

For Forks Sake

everlast75 wrote: »

He's baaaaaaccckkk...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/975720503997620224?s=19

Christ above. Don't forget folks, these tweets are apparently considered official presidential communications and will eventually form part of the Trump Library :eek:

everlast75

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Christ above. Don't forget folks, these tweets are apparently considered official presidential communications and will eventually form part of the Trump Library :eek:

Fox and Friends and Hannity are on, broadcasting specifically with him in mind, knowing that he is watching and that they have such control.

After trump goes down in a ball of flames, I sincerely hope (but doubt) Fox suffers irreparable damage. A complete absence of morals

jobbridge4life

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I actually do feel sorry for his son Barron. He looks miserable every time I see him on camera. I know people will say that Melania shouldn't get sympathy because she knew what she was getting into but she does seem to have some decency to her. Also she looks miserable being in the White House.

What decency?

aloyisious

jobbridge4life wrote: »

What decency?

Not that it's worth a can of beans: Simple way of getting the message across to her: ask her to show her birth cert from her european country, get her to compare it to whatever it's US equivlent is, then ask her why [given the differences between them] should her's be accepted in the US, and Barak's shouldn't be, given how his is from a US state.

Igotadose

From medium.com/@Amy_Siskind
If there was any doubt that Trump's admin isn't just wildly incompetent, but totally, wholly malevolent, they've denied FOIA requests in nearly 80% of the cases, more than any other administration, in just 8 months. https://apnews.com/714791d91d7944e49a284a51fab65b85
This is pretty amazing - first off that there were so many FOIA requests in such a short period, probably driven by the mad lack of information this administration provides, and then to only satisfied around a fifth of them...

Trump (who claims, for whatever that's worth, to be anti-big game hunting though his witless sons aren't), has an 'international wildlife conservation committee', which sounds like a nice title on the surface, but is really a 'committee on public safety' like existed during the French Revolution; it's filled with trophy hunters and of course at least one former beauty-contest entrant who has done some limited hunting, too:
https://apnews.com/07c11b7884174e68b75d6fdd52e9da91/Trump-wildlife-protection-board-stuffed-with-trophy-hunters

This another useful link: Seems like there's been plenty of lobbyists allowed to work for the Federal agencies they've lobbied. Remember the executive order banning lobbyists? Didn't matter - lots of waivers granted and granting is ongoing: https://www.apnews.com/2e23b380a1ec4232abde917d8796d7a6 . Fill that swamp.

everlast75

Anyone watch the report on Ch4?

https://youtu.be/mpbeOCKZFfQ

Pretty damning stuff!!!!

jobbridge4life

aloyisious wrote: »

If Trump Fires Mueller, It's the Beginning of the End, Senator Lindsey Graham Warns.

Graham putting the accent on the fact that Mueller is a good guy and that he, as a republican, sees no cause for dismissal when it comes to Mr. Mueller. He needs to be able to do his job independent of any political influence. I pledge to the American people as a Republican to make sure that Mr. Mueller can continue to do his job without any interference. I think he's doing a good job."

Asked if the [sic:Trump] tweets made him concerned for Mueller's job safety, Graham said the president would fire the special counsel at his own peril. "As I’ve said before, if he tried to do that it would be the beginning of the end of his presidency because we're a rule of law nation".

It'll be over to Ron to refuse any presidential order to fire Mueller. If he's worth anything, he'll say "NO Mr President, I won't fire Mueller" the same way the AG and D/AG of the day refused RM Nixon's order and were fired by him. Force Don into signing his own firing warrant.

I will believe the end is close for Trump when he and his enablers are in handcuffs and their properties are seized.

We have heard so, so, so, SO many times that he better not cross this line, that it would be unthinkable if he did X, or said Y, and that there was no way he would win if he did A or B or C. Meanwhile in the real world he has run through the alphabet of lines.

There is no Republican party willing to hold his racism, his idiocy, his anti-Americanism, his turgid filth to account. I increasingly believe that the only thing that can bring down this animal is outright, aggressive and widespread civil disobedience.

Leroy42

The firing of Comey should have been the line in the sand. They said nothing.

The continued defence of Flynn should have been the line in the sand, they did nothing.

The calling Nazis good people should have been the final straw, it was merely a foot note.

The continued interference with witnesses in a federal probe ought to have seen sanctions, but it appears not to bother many.

The lying about a former POTUS and wiretapping should have seen him called to account, but again this is now acceptable.

But its all ok, because really Trump is the victim here. A very rich white man is under attack by the MSM.

listermint

Leroy42 wrote: »

The firing of Comey should have been the line in the sand. They said nothing.

The continued defence of Flynn should have been the line in the sand, they did nothing.

The calling Nazis good people should have been the final straw, it was merely a foot note.

The continued interference with witnesses in a federal probe ought to have seen sanctions, but it appears not to bother many.

The lying about a former POTUS and wiretapping should have seen him called to account, but again this is now acceptable.

But its all ok, because really Trump is the victim here. A very rich white man is under attack by the MSM.

I don't know, this Cambridge analytica is pretty damming and could explain the absolute support from some politicians

Leroy42

listermint wrote: »

I don't now this Cambridge analytica is pretty damming and could explain the absolute support from some politicians

Yes, I hadn't thought of it like that. In one way it actually helps Trump, as this would take away from the narrative that Russia were directly involved.

But that raises and even bigger problem. If it was Russia, then there are certain things the US can do in the future. If companies like CA (and there are more) are able to do this then how to deal with it is a serious concern.

One thing I hope is the FB get hammered. They have been allowed to stride this "hey we are just a platform, its all such about getting people closer together" nonsense for too long whilst mining data on millions of people, far beyond what most people can even dream of.

Professor Moriarty

Leroy42 wrote: »

The firing of Comey should have been the line in the sand. They said nothing.

The continued defence of Flynn should have been the line in the sand, they did nothing.

The calling Nazis good people should have been the final straw, it was merely a foot note.

The continued interference with witnesses in a federal probe ought to have seen sanctions, but it appears not to bother many.

The lying about a former POTUS and wiretapping should have seen him called to account, but again this is now acceptable.

But its all ok, because really Trump is the victim here. A very rich white man is under attack by the MSM.

But there are stormy waters ahead.

There, I've said it. Someone had to.

jooksavage

Leroy42 wrote: »

The firing of Comey should have been the line in the sand. They said nothing.

The continued defence of Flynn should have been the line in the sand, they did nothing.

The calling Nazis good people should have been the final straw, it was merely a foot note.

The continued interference with witnesses in a federal probe ought to have seen sanctions, but it appears not to bother many.

The lying about a former POTUS and wiretapping should have seen him called to account, but again this is now acceptable.

But its all ok, because really Trump is the victim here. A very rich white man is under attack by the MSM.

I don't understand McConnell and Ryan. Trump is such a useless imbecile that they've only managed to deliver one significant piece of legislation in his first 12 months in spite of R majorities in both houses. He can't even help them win seats in blood-red districts. Now hes pursuing a pointless trade war that's only going to alienate billionaire donors. I hate the idea of President Pence but surely he'd be a better fit for Ryan and McConnell than Trump? They're siding with a man who could well be judged by history to have committed treason against his country. I honestly can't think of any reason to account for their behaviour other than cowardice.

mcmoustache

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

But there are stormy waters ahead.

There, I've said it. Someone had to.

The calm before the storm, if you will.

jobbridge4life

jooksavage wrote: »

I don't understand McConnell and Ryan. Trump is such a useless imbecile that they've only managed to deliver one significant piece of legislation in his first 12 months in spite of R majorities in both houses. He can't even help them win seats in blood-red districts. Now hes pursuing a pointless trade war that's only going to alienate billionaire donors. I hate the idea of President Pence but surely he'd be a better fit for Ryan and McConnell than Trump? They're siding with a man who could well be judged by history to have committed treason against his country. I honestly can't think of any reason to account for their behaviour other than cowardice.

Because they are terrified of him. They are terrified of his base. They know that Trump kicked over the rotted edifice of the Republican party and revealed the filthy racist, ignorant, hypocritical mould that had eaten its core out. If they turn on him, they risk him literally tearing asunder their molting carcass.

aloyisious

I don't actually understand the wording of Facebook's reported intention to audit Cambridge Analytica [CNN - LONDON]. I assume it means the interaction and data-sharing between the parties. The EU Data Commissionaire and the EU Parliament both plan to investigate the affair.

Umm, CNN making reference to attempts being made to draw in politicians who had liaisons with prostitutes.

aloyisious

On a bye the bye to the college shooting of some weeks ago and the interest raised about the cop who stayed outside the building where the shooter Mr Cruz was in, I came across a reference to the pair in the Washington Times paper. It reported that in 2016 the college and the same cop tried to have Mr Cruz committed for psychiatric evalution which was turned down by whomever evaluted their request. If the request had been granted, Mr Cruz would have lost the right to hold firearms.

This also from the same paper from today....... The USSC on Monday 19 March 2018 turned down a request from the GOP to put a delay on application of the new revised map of Pennsylvania's congressional districts.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/19/pennsylvania-gop-congressional-map-challenge-rejec/

jooksavage

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Because they are terrified of him. They are terrified of his base. They know that Trump kicked over the rotted edifice of the Republican party and revealed the filthy racist, ignorant, hypocritical mould that had eaten its core out. If they turn on him, they risk him literally tearing asunder their molting carcass.

Right, they're afraid. That's literally the only reason I can think of either. But the base isn't going to save them. It couldn't elect Ed Gillespie in Virginia. It couldn't elect Rot Moore in bloody Alabama. Even when they outspent the Dems to a ludicrous degree in what should have been a safe district in Pennsylvania, it couldn't elect Saccone. It makes no sense to keep doing what they're doing.

20Cent

Channel 4 doing another undercover piece on cambridge Analytics tomorrow evening just about what they did for Trump.