Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

Nody

everlast75 wrote: »

So this hardline aggressive lawyer who trump hired has already stepped away. Conflicts are cited - more than likely he has a conflict with going down in flames

Nope; actual conflicts such as his client being on the other side of the stand as a witness conflicts :P

he and his wife run a law firm that represents clients with conflicting interests.

One is Mark Corallo, a former spokesman for Trump’s legal team and a witness in the Mueller investigation. He resigned in the wake of a dispute over the president’s role in a misleading statement about his campaign aides’ meeting with a Russian lawyer offering “dirt” on 2016 opponent Hillary Clinton.

But the funniest part is what is left in Trump's corner:

Trump’s legal team has now shrunk to two: Ty Cobb, a White House lawyer who does not personally represent the president and occasionally draws grumbles from him, and Sekulow, an outside conservative attorney and radio host.

Now tell me that is not a dream team of lawyers you want defending you going up against Mueller?

david75

So this is happening tonight? No matter what she reveals, if he survives this, he can actually survive anything no?

https://twitter.com/ananavarro/status/977944085108547585?s=21

frag420

20Cent wrote: »

Strange to think that by this time tomorrow most of us could well have seen photos of trumps lad. That's an image that will take a long time to fade.

Which lad, Don Jr or Eric?

frag420

frag420 wrote: »

Which lad, Don Jr or Eric?

Would he be so narcissistic to name one of his kids after his knob?

And no I wouldn't be looking for a picture of it his face is hard enough to look at.

Professor Moriarty

Trump is 13/8 to not finish his first term. Wonder if the odds will have shifted by tomorrow.

Leroy42

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Trump is 13/8 to not finish his first term. Wonder if the odds will have shifted by tomorrow.

I really can't see it. His supporters have already shown that they are happy to separate out the Pre-POTUS Trump with what went before.

Basically, whatever he did, or didn't believe in or do, prior to becoming POTUS is glossed over.

Since this was events going back to 2006, even though it appears it was actively being covered up in 2016, means they are happy to simply ignore it.

strandroad

david75 wrote: »

So this is happening tonight? No matter what she reveals, if he survives this, he can actually survive anything no?

Unless there is something drastic, why would he not survive? He survived a dozen or two sexual abuse allegations, who cares about affairs?

Professor Moriarty

Leroy42 wrote: »

I really can't see it. His supporters have already shown that they are happy to separate out the Pre-POTUS Trump with what went before.

Basically, whatever he did, or didn't believe in or do, prior to becoming POTUS is glossed over.

Since this was events going back to 2006, even though it appears it was actively being covered up in 2016, means they are happy to simply ignore it.

It's hard to know. It depends on what Daniels says and what proof she has. If it is true and proven, the hardcore vote won't care as they have a different agenda. However, maybe the 5-10% of voters who held their noses when voting for him because they didn't like Hillary will swing away from him/the GOP at the midterms. We live in hope.

david75

You just know the men among his hardcore ordinary voters are thinking fair play he got to bang a porn Star.

StringerBell

A media scandal won't bring him down, it just adds to the fuel for his base and feeds into the us v them mentality. A legal matter is the only chance and even that will require a swing in the midvterms which is by no means guaranteed

strandroad

david75 wrote: »

You just know the men among his hardcore ordinary voters are thinking fair play he got to bang a porn Star.

And a Playboy model. While having a hot wife at home too. The more the better.

Christy42

I wonder if the anti gun rallies will have an affect come mid terms. I hope so but honestly I doubt it. Maybe America can change over the next generation or two. There does seem to be a growing portion of America tired of having so many gun shootings in the states.

everlast75

StringerBell wrote: »

A media scandal won't bring him down, it just adds to the fuel for his base and feeds into the us v them mentality. A legal matter is the only chance and even that will require a swing in the midvterms which is by no means guaranteed

Her lawyer has said that DT et al would need to be very careful as to what they say about Ms. Clifford following the broadcast.

My understanding of this would be that any denial or accusations contrary to the content of the interview will result in defamation proceedings

everlast75

Christy42 wrote: »

I wonder if the anti gun rallies will have an affect come mid terms. I hope so but honestly I doubt it. Maybe America can change over the next generation or two. There does seem to be a growing portion of America tired of having so many gun shootings in the states.

I think (and hope) you're wrong.

My understanding is that the majority support it but it's the politicians who receive contributions from the NRA are not proactive about any legislation.

If they get culled at the election then I can see a big change

Leroy42

Christy42 wrote: »

I wonder if the anti gun rallies will have an affect come mid terms. I hope so but honestly I doubt it. Maybe America can change over the next generation or two. There does seem to be a growing portion of America tired of having so many gun shootings in the states.

Edwina Curry was on R5 Live last night, as she is every week, and her view on it was that the marches themselves won't make a difference. Only voting can make a difference. And putting pressure on the companies that support the NRA, and making it almost toxic for a politician to be seen to be taking money from them.

Her view is that the politicians see this as nothing more than a point in time. It has lasted longer than previous but with summer coming, and the mid-terms a full 6 months away, the 'idea' will simply fade away.

Will all these people be prepared to vote for the anti-gun candidate regardless of other issues (for extreme example, would they vote for a gay person if they were for gun restrictions?)

Because that is what the right do. They voted for Trump even though they don't believe in almost everything he stands for because he gave them the best change to get things done, such as Supreme Court Judge.

So anything that Trump does is worth it in their minds.

Christy42

Leroy42 wrote: »

Edwina Curry was on R5 Live last night, as she is every week, and her view on it was that the marches themselves won't make a difference. Only voting can make a difference. And putting pressure on the companies that support the NRA, and making it almost toxic for a politician to be seen to be taking money from them.

Her view is that the politicians see this as nothing more than a point in time. It has lasted longer than previous but with summer coming, and the mid-terms a full 6 months away, the 'idea' will simply fade away.

Will all these people be prepared to vote for the anti-gun candidate regardless of other issues (for extreme example, would they vote for a gay person if they were for gun restrictions?)

Because that is what the right do. They voted for Trump even though they don't believe in almost everything he stands for because he gave them the best change to get things done, such as Supreme Court Judge.

So anything that Trump does is worth it in their minds.

Indeed though I believe the point of the march is to get votes, like a rally. It shows that there are like minded individuals out there.

Honestly unless there is something illegal in the Stormy stuff I don't care. All it will likely show is that evangelist voters are hypocrites.

strandroad

Christy42 wrote: »

I wonder if the anti gun rallies will have an affect come mid terms. I hope so but honestly I doubt it. Maybe America can change over the next generation or two. There does seem to be a growing portion of America tired of having so many gun shootings in the states.

I don't know. The way school massacres are now seen as inevitable over there... I found this article very eye opening, don't mind the source. It profiles a small Kentucky town community after a two casualties shooting, and compares it to the Parkland, Florida shooting reactions:

https://jezebel.com/gun-fatalism-is-reasonable-in-a-terrifying-country-1823489725

But on a personal and community level, other responses are reasonable too. What I saw in Benton is perhaps best described as gun fatalism: a sense that mass shootings are an unsolvable problem, or at least one that can’t be addressed through any new laws or legislation. The people in Benton told me they saw both guns and evil as a fact of life, and emphasized that their combustible combination was inevitable, some of the time.
...
Like many of the Parkland students, Gamble says the reforms she supports are simple and not exactly anti-gun. “We don’t want to get rid of guns,” she says. “But they should be harder to buy.” That said, she adds, “I feel like while a handgun’s just as dangerous under some circumstances, if ours was like Parkland, it would’ve been worse. No question.”
Other students say it’s not a consideration for them. Jessica Wilcox is a 17-year-old senior at Marshall who was also present on the day of the shooting. “Most of my fellow classmates aren’t worried about gun laws,” she told me in an email. “We just want to know and feel that we are safe.”

Professor Moriarty

Leroy42 wrote: »

Edwina Curry was on R5 Live last night, as she is every week, and her view on it was that the marches themselves won't make a difference. Only voting can make a difference. And putting pressure on the companies that support the NRA, and making it almost toxic for a politician to be seen to be taking money from them.

Her view is that the politicians see this as nothing more than a point in time. It has lasted longer than previous but with summer coming, and the mid-terms a full 6 months away, the 'idea' will simply fade away.

Will all these people be prepared to vote for the anti-gun candidate regardless of other issues (for extreme example, would they vote for a gay person if they were for gun restrictions?)

Because that is what the right do. They voted for Trump even though they don't believe in almost everything he stands for because he gave them the best change to get things done, such as Supreme Court Judge.

So anything that Trump does is worth it in their minds.

This is the mindset you're dealing with. From the article:

David Helsel, the superintendent of the Blue Mountain School District in Pennsylvania, testified to the state’s House Education Committee that classrooms in his district have been given buckets of rockets, an ABC affiliate reported.

“Every classroom has been equipped with a five-gallon bucket of river stone. If an armed intruder attempts to gain entrance into any of our classrooms, they will face a classroom full students armed with rocks and they will be stoned,” Helsel said.

strandroad

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

This is the mindset you're dealing with. From the article:

David Helsel, the superintendent of the Blue Mountain School District in Pennsylvania, testified to the state’s House Education Committee that classrooms in his district have been given buckets of rockets, an ABC affiliate reported.

“Every classroom has been equipped with a five-gallon bucket of river stone. If an armed intruder attempts to gain entrance into any of our classrooms, they will face a classroom full students armed with rocks and they will be stoned,” Helsel said.

Very convenient for the shooter, just aim for the crowd around the bucket.

PropJoe10

david75 wrote: »

So this is happening tonight? No matter what she reveals, if he survives this, he can actually survive anything no?

https://twitter.com/ananavarro/status/977944085108547585?s=21

He will survive it even if he's banged 100 adult film stars. There's no end of the line for this guy. That much is obvious, after the events of the past two years.

robinph

strandroad wrote: »

Very convenient for the shooter, just aim for the crowd around the bucket.

Only if they have not started shooting yet. Once it's begun then people will be dispersed around the room hiding under different desks and cupboards.

The stones are also kind of irrelevant. Just the idea of the stones should be enough for people to throw chairs and anything else to hand at the shooter. Once there are things flying from multiple directions is the point.

strandroad

robinph wrote: »

The stones are also kind of irrelevant. Just the idea of the stones should be enough for people to throw chairs and anything else to hand at the shooter. Once there are things flying from multiple directions is the point.

That's a great idea to take a classmates eye out or brain them, before the chair or anything else has any real chance to reach the shooter.

Leroy42

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

“Every classroom has been equipped with a five-gallon bucket of river stone. If an armed intruder attempts to gain entrance into any of our classrooms, they will face a classroom full students armed with rocks and they will be stoned,” Helsel said.[/I]

It also goes to show the ingrained understanding that it is somehow the victims fault. If only they were armed, if only they had stones, if only the policeman was there etc.

It never even tries to deal with the main issue, that of the gun being there.

Professor Moriarty

robinph wrote: »

Only if they have not started shooting yet. Once it's begun then people will be dispersed around the room hiding under different desks and cupboards.

The stones are also kind of irrelevant. Just the idea of the stones should be enough for people to throw chairs and anything else to hand at the shooter. Once there are things flying from multiple directions is the point.

Sticks and stones may break your bones,
But a semi automatic will blow your brains out.

Professor Moriarty

Leroy42 wrote: »

It also goes to show the ingrained understanding that it is somehow the victims fault. If only they were armed, if only they had stones, if only the policeman was there etc.

It never even tries to deal with the main issue, that of the gun being there.

Exactly. Let's not talk about the elephant in the room.

Manic Moran

The elephant is that despite firearms being less prevalent in the US than they were in previous decades, despite there being more restrictions on firearms now than there were, say, in the 1980s, mass shootings have become more frequent.

Yet almost nobody wants to ask “why” and deal with it. (This applies to both parties).

I posted a link to a donation table from the NRA, which politicians received the most from them. 95% of the dollars went to seven politicians. Even if those seven are utterly beholden, I don’t think the NRA’s fiscal influence is enough. They do have plenty of members who vote, however.

Throwing things at shooters has long been recommended practice, though usually it’s phones, books etc in the guidance. So is taking shrapnel in the leg vice torso, which isn’t a particularly confidence-inspiring Plan A.

Oafley Jones

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/977921810506420225?s=19

So this hardline aggressive lawyer who trump hired has already stepped away. Conflicts are cited - more than likely he has a conflict with going down in flames

That’s basically what was circulating on Friday. That he was “unnerved” by the case documents.

everlast75

everlast75 wrote: »

I think (and hope) you're wrong.

My understanding is that the majority support it but it's the politicians who receive contributions from the NRA are not proactive about any legislation.

If they get culled at the election then I can see a big change

Re my 2nd paragraph, here's a tweet from Fox news. Yep.. Fox


https://twitter.com/FoxNewsSunday/status/977894255871086593?s=19

Professor Moriarty

Manic Moran wrote: »

The elephant is that despite firearms being less prevalent in the US than they were in previous decades, despite there being more restrictions on firearms now than there were, say, in the 1980s, mass shootings have become more frequent.

Yet almost nobody wants to ask “why” and deal with it. (This applies to both parties).

I posted a link to a donation table from the NRA, which politicians received the most from them. 95% of the dollars went to seven politicians. Even if those seven are utterly beholden, I don’t think the NRA’s fiscal influence is enough. They do have plenty of members who vote, however.

There are more guns per capita in the US than any other country in the world by a country mile. Half of the world's private guns are in the US. Access to guns would be a good starting point.

Ludo

Manic Moran wrote: »

Yet almost nobody wants to ask “why” and deal with it. (This applies to both parties).

That is a fair point and needs to be asked and dealt with ...BUT availability of guns is a large part of the problem and to be honest should be the easiest to deal with.

I am 45 now and have NEVER seen a real gun (other than being held by a cop or soldier) as I have always lived in a city and so have absolutely no need for one. I find that normal to be honest. I have absolutely no idea how I would go about getting one and I am fine with that. That in fact gives me comfort, knowing that if some one gets into a mad rage in Ireland, the odds are that the worst they can do is hurt one or two people.

In the USA they can already have a gun or go and get a gun way too easily and that can lead to people dying.

If someone gets drunk and gets suicidal, having a gun makes it too easy to end it all. Here it takes more effort to come up with a way to do it and that is a good thing as it will slow people down and maybe they will rethink.

I am normally fairly measured on policy issues...but on gun not so much. It is fooking stupid. Hopefully it will change over time with a new generation much like attitudes to homosexuals, transgenders, gay marriage, etc changed/is changing.

(Just realised this is way off topic...sorry. It should be in the gun debate thread but I have refrained from reading that as it would probably drive me insane)