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Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III
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Americans are not not begruding self-hating masochists like so many Irish people, Americans praise and salute the pursuit of greatness and wealth,
only when it is their 'guy' doing it.
Do you think the GOP holds Bill Clinton up as a hero? What about HC march to enrich herself, is that seen as a positive?0 -
Don't wish to derail thread, but this looks a bit high. I'd guess that that figure is more like a 30-40 year total than an annual one.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/02/14/traffic-deaths-edge-lower-but-2017-stats-paint-worrisome-picture.html
40,000 a year with like most countries the total dropping since peak.
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only when it is their 'guy' doing it.
Do you think the GOP holds Bill Clinton up as a hero? What about HC march to enrich herself, is that seen as a positive?
The Clintons are totally corrupt and used politics for self-enrichement, Trump is not a career politician, he had nothing to do with politics until he got so fed-up of seeing what was happening to his country. He has lost hundreds of millions of dollars by running for President, funded by himself and supporters. Trump is a self-made billionaire with family help at the start. Trump embodies the American dream, the Clintons embody big Government, sleaze and pigs at the trough, look at what they got up to in Haiti and what Hillary did in Libya.
Bill Clinton was afar more likeable character back when the Democratic Party were still pretty respectable, the Democrats then went full SJW-Marxist under Obama and Nancy Pelosi and there is no comparison between Bill and Hillary. Alot of Trump supporters would say similar about Bill Clinton its Hillary they hate. She didn't even leave Bill Clinton after he cheating on her yet shes held up like a golden messiah by those now criticizing Trump. Her treatment of Bernie Sanders was a disgrace, there is a man who actually has convictions in the Democratic party, I don't admire his politics but I do admire his integrity and incorruptible nature, a Democratic version of Ron Paul if you like.0 -
Trump is an Alpha Male, with power, money and he exudes confidence, his social and economic policies are spot-on and he is actually the anti-christ to anyone who is a liberal leftwing beta-male feminist type.
Trump is to alpha males as €20 knock off watches are to real Rolexes. They might look superficially the same but the flaws and lack of quality quickly become apparent.
True alpha males leads through a combination of innate strength, sense of purpose, charisma and an ability to create and work towards a vision. When you’ve met an “alpha male” you’ll know it. Trump is zeta quality at best.0 -
I don't know if people realise but having affairs with pornstars and playboy models is actually something that will appeal to a large cohort of American males, they won't acknowledge it in public but secretly inside they are like.... Niiice
While his wife is at home with a baby? well, I'd like to think that they are in the absolute minority
AgreedAmericans are not not begruding self-hating masochists like so many Irish people, Americans praise and salute the pursuit of greatness and wealth
No he is not - he is a coward, proven over and over againTrump is an Alpha Male
No - his companies are up to their neck in debt. Remember - his companies have filed for bankrupcy 6 timeswith money
No he doesn't. How many press conferences has he given? He is happy on stage with his base cheering him on - outside of that he runs scaredand he exudes confidence
- Really? A trade war is "spot on". Why don't you go have a look at the markets and come back to me.his social and economic policies are spot-on
fixed that for youand he is actually the anti-christ to anyone who is a right thinking individual.0 -
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aloyisious wrote: »I'd say they voted him in because he was different, wasn't an insider and seen as a good buddy type by the people who voted him in as they had no idea of what they were buying. Sure they'll probably vote for him again for the same reason plus [in their eyes] he must be good as he's being bashed by the Washington set.
The fact that he hasn't done what he promised the voters is because he's crap at deal making except on his terms alone. He refuses to accept you've got to give the person you're trading with something of value to walk away with. Some day the voters will wake up and realise that Don decided before day 1 that he was going to screw them over and lied to their faces. He had no intention of doing what they thought, fixing their world to the way they desired, rather to a world built in his image.
The overwhelming problem is that his core base and the rest of the GOP base, watch/listen only to RW tv/radio (and 50% of americans get their news through Facebook), which is still covering for Trump. It's not easy for them to see what's really going on.aloyisious wrote: »As for the media, I reckon to a greater degree, it's come down to a no holds barred fight between them and Don now, due to his B/S and lies. Sure the media have made it personal now, but that's down to Don's personal touch "everyone is lying except me" and his way of abusing everyone he meets.
The media have to carry a portion of the blame for what happened during 2016. Trump was good for ratings, in that you either loved him or hated him, and that got people watching. Very few outlets were holding Trump to account. Maybe it's because they are feeling remorseful, or they can finally see the threat Trump poses to them , as the 4th estate, or to democracy, but at least they are finally doing their job. Apart from Fox News of course (Shep Smith and Chris Wallace being exceptions).0 -
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I don't admire his politics but I do admire his integrity and incorruptible nature,corruption
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"the journalist who wants to expose corruption in high places"
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the process by which a word or expression is changed from its original state to one regarded as erroneous or debased.
"a record of a word's corruption"
synonyms: alteration, falsification, doctoring, manipulation, manipulating, fudging, adulteration, debasement, degradation, abuse, subversion, misrepresentation, misapplication; rarevitiation
"these figures have been subject to corruption"
From what we have seen of DT so far he has covered nearly every definition of corruption. They just have not nailed him on the bribery pat, but you have to feel that is coming soon.
He and his staff in the WH have repeatedly been seen to lie, deceive, fudge, alter, falsify, debase and subvert.
I don't know how anyone could describe him as incorruptible. He has not held one ideal constant or followed up any of his promises so far. He has been corrupted again and again by several different parties and interest groups. The gun lobby flipped him on gun control after the high school kids flipped him before that.His recent signing of the budget has gone against numerous campaign promises.0 -
The Clintons are totally corrupt and used politics for self-enrichement, Trump is not a career politician, he had nothing to do with politics until he got so fed-up of seeing what was happening to his country. He has lost hundreds of millions of dollars by running for President, funded by himself and supporters. Trump is a self-made billionaire with family help at the start. Trump embodies the American dream, the Clintons embody big Government, sleaze and pigs at the trough, look at what they got up to in Haiti and what Hillary did in Libya.
Trump was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and inherited millions of dollars. Bill Clinton grew up in rural Arkansas never knowing his real father who was killed before he was born and lived with an abusive alcoholic stepfather. Calling the Clinton's sleazy while saying Trump embodies the American dream is something else considering the things the Trump Foundation and Trump University were getting up to.
Trump spent $66 million of his own money during the campaign so about 1/5 of the total amount he spent which was roughly $322 million. That $66 million will be a drop in the ocean compared to the increased revenue he will see at his resorts going forward and the tax cut he gave himself.0 -
everlast75 wrote: »Good lawyers won't represent him for two reasons;
1) His case is like a clown car on fire
2) He doesn't pay people for working for him. He has a bad reputation in that regard.
3) and to a lesser degree I'd imagine some because they simply don't like him
That and,
4) Reputational damage to their own careers
5) Biggest reason of all, they can't control him. That's largely why Dowd resigned.
The comical thing about Dowd resigning was that as lead lawyer, he wasn't consulted on hiring of DiGenova and Toensing. That was the final straw for Dowd....so he resigned and then it emerged that Toensing was representing Sam Clovis (he encouraged Carter Page to go to Moscow) and Mark Corallo (he got out asap when Hope Hicks told him they were going bury Don jrs emails). So those two were out anyway.0 -
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MarinersBlues wrote: »From what we have seen of DT so far he has covered nearly every definition of corruption. They just have not nailed him on the bribery pat, but you have to feel that is coming soon.
He and his staff in the WH have repeatedly been seen to lie, deceive, fudge, alter, falsify, debase and subvert.
I don't know how anyone could describe him as incorruptible. He has not held one ideal constant or followed up any of his promises so far. He has been corrupted again and again by several different parties and interest groups. The gun lobby flipped him on gun control after the high school kids flipped him before that.His recent signing of the budget has gone against numerous campaign promises.
I was referencing Bernie Sanders.0 -
The Clintons are totally corrupt and used politics for self-enrichement, Trump is not a career politician, he had nothing to do with politics until he got so fed-up of seeing what was happening to his country. He has lost hundreds of millions of dollars by running for President, funded by himself and supporters. Trump is a self-made billionaire with family help at the start. Trump embodies the American dream, the Clintons embody big Government, sleaze and pigs at the trough, look at what they got up to in Haiti and what Hillary did in Libya.
Bill Clinton was afar more likeable character back when the Democratic Party were still pretty respectable, the Democrats then went full SJW-Marxist under Obama and Nancy Pelosi and there is no comparison between Bill and Hillary. Alot of Trump supporters would say similar about Bill Clinton its Hillary they hate. She didn't even leave Bill Clinton after he cheating on her yet shes held up like a golden messiah by those now criticizing Trump. Her treatment of Bernie Sanders was a disgrace, there is a man who actually has convictions in the Democratic party, I don't admire his politics but I do admire his integrity and incorruptible nature, a Democratic version of Ron Paul if you like.
Wow, so many hypocrisies, lies and bizarre nonsense, it's impossible to take seriously.0 -
The Clintons are totally corrupt and used politics for self-enrichement, Trump is not a career politician, he had nothing to do with politics until he got so fed-up of seeing what was happening to his country. He has lost hundreds of millions of dollars by running for President, funded by himself and supporters. Trump is a self-made billionaire with family help at the start. Trump embodies the American dream, the Clintons embody big Government, sleaze and pigs at the trough, look at what they got up to in Haiti and what Hillary did in Libya.
Bill Clinton was afar more likeable character back when the Democratic Party were still pretty respectable, the Democrats then went full SJW-Marxist under Obama and Nancy Pelosi and there is no comparison between Bill and Hillary. Alot of Trump supporters would say similar about Bill Clinton its Hillary they hate. She didn't even leave Bill Clinton after he cheating on her yet shes held up like a golden messiah by those now criticizing Trump. Her treatment of Bernie Sanders was a disgrace, there is a man who actually has convictions in the Democratic party, I don't admire his politics but I do admire his integrity and incorruptible nature, a Democratic version of Ron Paul if you like.
Almost everything about that post is wrong.The Clintons are totally corrupt and used politics for self-enrichement
Have they been proven to be corrupt, I must have missed it. And do you honestly think that Trump, the man said said himself that he knew the system better than anyone, didn't use his contacts to enrich himself?He has lost hundreds of millions of dollars by running for President, funded by himself and supporters.
How much did he lose? And how much do you think he has gained from being POTUS? The trips to Mar-a-Lago? Foreign delegations using his hotels. Kushers sister in law selling properties on the back on Trump getting them visas? Ivanka line being promoted, illegally, by KAC twice.Trump is a self-made billionaire with family help at the start.
You do know that had he simply invested the money he received in the stock market etc that he would be many times more wealthy than he is now?Trump embodies the American dream, the Clintons embody big Government, sleaze and pigs at the trough, look at what they got up to in Haiti and what Hillary did in Libya.
Hold on, you just stated that Americans don't begrudge people getting on. So is it that they only want them to get on in a certain way? So you must hate the Bush family, yet they led the GOP for 12 years.
What are you talking about. The GOP hated ClintonBill Clinton was afar more likeable character back when the Democratic Party were still pretty respectableShe didn't even leave Bill Clinton after he cheating on her yet shes held up like a golden messiah by those now criticizing Trump.
So you are calling on Melania to dump Trump I assume?Her treatment of Bernie Sanders was a disgrace, there is a man who actually has convictions in the Democratic party, I don't admire his politics but I do admire his integrity and incorruptible nature, a Democratic version of Ron Paul if you like.
As opposed to Trump treatment of the other primary contenders. Little Marco, Lying Ted, calling out Ted's wife as ugly, claiming Ted's dad was involved in the assassination of JFK.0 -
I was referencing Bernie Sanders.
You even got that wrong, Bernie Sanders isn't a member of the Democratic Party. He's a "Democratic Socialist" who caucuses with the Democrats because it gets him on committees in the Senate. He ran in the Democratic Primaries, but has never been a member of the Democratic Party. Hillary Clinton has been a member of the Dems for 50 years, and has formed friendships and garnered loyalty over that time.0 -
In a tweet from yesterday where he was also claiming that despite lawyers saying no to him that really lawyers were queuing up to represent him, he then had a go at lawyers charging too much which I'm sure is a great way to make them want to represent you. But he then goes and claims that lawyers charging him too much is unfair on the country.
Now what is the USA doing paying for the private lawyer fees for defending DD against PP?
I think he's lying again. Actually the RNC had been paying for Trump and Don jr's legal fees, much to the consternation of those working in the White House who have had to pay for their own lawyers. When that emerged, a fund was set up to pay their legal fees, but that has opened another can of worms because they would only get paid if they are still on Trump's side. Remember too that there is in excess of $50m unaccounted for from his Inauguration Fund, which raised over $100m.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-lawyers/trump-starts-paying-his-own-legal-bills-on-russia-probe-attorneys-idUSKBN1DH2FR0 -
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The Clintons are totally corrupt and used politics for self-enrichement, Trump is not a career politician, he had nothing to do with politics until he got so fed-up of seeing what was happening to his country. He has lost hundreds of millions of dollars by running for President, funded by himself and supporters. Trump is a self-made billionaire with family help at the start. Trump embodies the American dream, the Clintons embody big Government, sleaze and pigs at the trough, look at what they got up to in Haiti and what Hillary did in Libya.
Bill Clinton was afar more likeable character back when the Democratic Party were still pretty respectable, the Democrats then went full SJW-Marxist under Obama and Nancy Pelosi and there is no comparison between Bill and Hillary. Alot of Trump supporters would say similar about Bill Clinton its Hillary they hate. She didn't even leave Bill Clinton after he cheating on her yet shes held up like a golden messiah by those now criticizing Trump. Her treatment of Bernie Sanders was a disgrace, there is a man who actually has convictions in the Democratic party, I don't admire his politics but I do admire his integrity and incorruptible nature, a Democratic version of Ron Paul if you like.
Surely self made billionaire with family help is a contradiction of terms?
I mean for sure not the only thing you got wrong in that random rant but I think most of the rest.
How about a link to the hundreds of millions Trump lost campaigning (and balance that out about how much the tax payer has paid his company via security in Maro Lago and Trump towers)? I'll be nice and let you leave off all the tax benefits he gave himself as well as income from foreign diplomats who felt obliged to stay at his hotels.
Ho hum. Still that is likely the end of that poster. I have noticed they disappear relatively soon after the big rants when asked to back up any of the many claims they made. What is worrying is that I am not convinced it is a troll and that many do worship "alpha" males like Trump.0 -
I don't know if people realise but having affairs with pornstars and playboy models is actually something that will appeal to a large cohort of American males, they won't acknowledge it in public but secretly inside they are like.... Niiice.
Americans are not not begruding self-hating masochists like so many Irish people, Americans praise and salute the pursuit of greatness and wealth, here Irish people would rather stab you in the back to drag you down back into the gutter where you should belong in their viewpoint. Trump is an Alpha Male, with power, money and he exudes confidence, his social and economic policies are spot-on and he is actually the anti-christ to anyone who is a liberal leftwing beta-male feminist type.
I believe the people you are describing above regarding his affairs are commonly known as douchebags.0 -
So after yesterday's interview, here are the thoughts of DJT
1) Buy a book that thinks I'm great
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/978110975428657153
2) the economy is doing great thanks to me - honest!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/978226474485534720
3) Ah ****, I give up. Here is some horseshít. I'm not even trying anymore
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The overwhelming problem is that his core base and the rest of the GOP base, watch/listen only to RW tv/radio (and 50% of americans get their news through Facebook), which is still covering for Trump. It's not easy for them to see what's really going on.
THought this was an interesting nugget from 538 (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/religious-democrats-young-republicans-what-the-stereotypes-miss-about-both-parties/)
◾The YouGov poll also asked about the firing of FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe; 25 percent said McCabe’s actions while at the FBI justified his firing, while 35 percent said his firing was an unjustified political act. About a third of people had heard nothing at all about McCabe’s firing.
Bolded & underlined the key piece. Around a third of Americans didn't even know that McCabe had been fired. Chances are, that's because of where they get their news.
Ignorance is bliss I guess!0 -
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everlast75 wrote: »3) Ah ****, I give up. Here is some horseshít. I'm not even trying anymore
I'm not sure about that tweet, think it may have been written by someone else having a laugh. Voluminous is a word that would often be associated with the most prominent assets of female porn stars, it's certainly not a word you'd expect from a man with a bigley vocabluery volcabeary lot of words.0 -
spacecoyote wrote: »THought this was an interesting nugget from 538 (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/religious-democrats-young-republicans-what-the-stereotypes-miss-about-both-parties/)
◾The YouGov poll also asked about the firing of FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe; 25 percent said McCabe’s actions while at the FBI justified his firing, while 35 percent said his firing was an unjustified political act. About a third of people had heard nothing at all about McCabe’s firing.
Bolded & underlined the key piece. Around a third of Americans didn't even know that McCabe had been fired. Chances are, that's because of where they get their news.
Ignorance is bliss I guess!
Yes, it's a sad but true fact, and hard to know how that could change.0 -
I'm not sure about that tweet, think it may have been written by someone else having a laugh. Voluminous is a word that would often be associated with the most prominent assets of female porn stars, it's certainly not a word you'd expect from a man with a bigley vocabluery volcabeary lot of words.
It's his account so...
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Trump illegally received millions of dollars laundered from the United Arab EmiratesWASHINGTON (AP) — A top fundraiser for President Donald Trump received millions of dollars from a political adviser to the United Arab Emirates last April, just weeks before he began handing out a series of large political donations to U.S. lawmakers considering legislation targeting Qatar, the UAE’s chief rival in the Persian Gulf, an Associated Press investigation has found.
George Nader, an adviser to the UAE who is now a witness in the U.S. special counsel investigation into foreign meddling in American politics, wired $2.5 million to the Trump fundraiser, Elliott Broidy, through a company in Canada, according to two people who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter. They said Nader paid the money to Broidy to bankroll an effort to persuade the U.S. to take a hard line against Qatar, a long-time American ally but now a bitter adversary of the UAE.
A month after he received the money, Broidy sponsored a conference on Qatar’s alleged ties to Islamic extremism. During the event, Republican Congressman Ed Royce of California, the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, announced he was introducing legislation that would brand Qatar as a terrorist-supporting state.
In July 2017, two months after Royce introduced the bill, Broidy gave the California congressman $5,400 in campaign gifts — the maximum allowed by law. The donations were part of just under $600,000 that Broidy has given to GOP members of Congress and Republican political committees since he began the push for the legislation fingering Qatar, according to an AP analysis of campaign finance disclosure records.
full article at https://www.apnews.com/e2a2ae7f178e4daf9202be7ef32326280 -
If trump was gay he’d never have been elected.0
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The Clintons are totally corrupt and used politics for self-enrichement, Trump is not a career politician, he had nothing to do with politics until he got so fed-up of seeing what was happening to his country. He has lost hundreds of millions of dollars by running for President, funded by himself and supporters. Trump is a self-made billionaire with family help at the start. Trump embodies the American dream, the Clintons embody big Government, sleaze and pigs at the trough, look at what they got up to in Haiti and what Hillary did in Libya.
Bill Clinton was afar more likeable character back when the Democratic Party were still pretty respectable, the Democrats then went full SJW-Marxist under Obama and Nancy Pelosi and there is no comparison between Bill and Hillary. Alot of Trump supporters would say similar about Bill Clinton its Hillary they hate. She didn't even leave Bill Clinton after he cheating on her yet shes held up like a golden messiah by those now criticizing Trump. Her treatment of Bernie Sanders was a disgrace, there is a man who actually has convictions in the Democratic party, I don't admire his politics but I do admire his integrity and incorruptible nature, a Democratic version of Ron Paul if you like.
You are a perfect example of the effect propaganda, lies, fake news and disinformation can have an someones views.- "The Clintons are totally corrupt and used politics for self-enrichement:"
Investigations in to this have not born it out. That said once you set up a foundation that anyone can donate to you are open to someone making that charge. - "Trump is not a career politician, he had nothing to do with politics until he got so fed-up of seeing what was happening to his country"
False: Trump has always being hanging around the fringes of politics for over 30 years. He has considered running for president several times in this period.
As far back as the '80s he took full page Adverts out in the NY Times, WaPo and WSJ asking for the US to change their policies on Russia. This was just after his first trip to Russia. So even then, trying to infleunce politics. - "He has lost hundreds of millions of dollars by running for President, funded by himself and supporters"
False: During the primary he was secretly taking money off a SuperPAC which was discovered by Republican Cheryl Jacobs before she was publiclt attacked etc by Trump. In the presidential election he received monies from several superPACS most notably those run by billionairess Rebekah Mercer. He applied for his 2020 campaign 5 hours after his inauguration and has been syphining off donations there. He is also making serious money off his TRump properties which he takes presidential business (and GOP business) to whenever he can.
A random one that is topical is 4-5 payments amounting to $129,999 from his campaign to his lawyer Cohen around the time Cohen paid Stormy Daniels $130,000 hush money. Probably not a coincidence. - "look at what they got up to in Haiti and what Hillary did in Libya."
The Haiti story I believe emanated from (was concocted in) the book 'Clinton Cash' whose publishing company was owned by Rebekah Mercer and Steve Bannon. They also produced a picture. That's where the Uranium one "scandal" surfaced also.
Multiple investigations over many years found nothing amiss regarding Hillary's dealings with Libya. - "Her treatment of Bernie Sanders was a disgrace". If you're referencing the DNCs preference for Hillary then this is no different to any other DNC preferring the likely winner in preparation for the general election late in the campaign. That's what they do and have to do. The campaign did run very late because Saunders was slow to concede.
If you don't dig deeper you cannot really be judged as anything other than a mindless carrier-bot of the disinformation du jour..0 - "The Clintons are totally corrupt and used politics for self-enrichement:"
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I'm not sure about that tweet, think it may have been written by someone else having a laugh. Voluminous is a word that would often be associated with the most prominent assets of female porn stars, it's certainly not a word you'd expect from a man with a bigley vocabluery volcabeary lot of words.everlast75 wrote: »It's his account so...
Perhaps he has a "word of the day" calender
Actually the word "Voluminous" is correct and used correctly. The word your trying to think of is "Voluptuous"Definition of voluminous
1 a : having or marked by great volume or bulk : large long voluminous tresses; also : full a voluminous skirt
b : numerous trying to keep track of voluminous slips of paper
2 a : filling or capable of filling a large volume or several volumes a voluminous literature on the subject
b : writing or speaking much or at great length a voluminous correspondent
3 : consisting of many folds, coils, or convolutions : winding0 -
A liberal judging someone elses morality, oh the Irony:rolleyes: imagine if Trump was Gay and had affairs, it wouldn't even get a mention as he would be the greatest thing since Barack Obama for the progressive SJW types.
Word to the wise. Drop the use of the above. Name calling tends to put people off.
Mind you, that's something DJT doesn't seem to get either.0 -
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See that the US is expelling sixty Russian diplomats. Imagine more stories forthcoming about how relations are at the lowest since the Cold War.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/26/politics/us-expel-russian-diplomats/index.html0
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