Girl "scared" after hijab attack

Shield

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLQMsynANrQ

The claim made by the child in question is that a man walked up behind her at 8:30am while she was walking to school, pulled down the hood of her winter jacket, and started cutting her hijab with a scissors. She screamed and he ran away. She hurried across the road with her brother where they followed a crowd of people "to be safe".

The man then came up behind her again moments later and resumed cutting her hijab. When she noticed him behind her cutting her hijab again, "he just smiled and ran away".

The man managed to cut the hijab twelve inches.

From extensive policing experience, none of this makes sense. The time, the setting, the assault, the risk of getting caught, the return of the smiling man "wearing all black" despite the crowd, no eyewitnesses from the crowd, no alarm raised, and so on, and so on.

For all the above reasons and many more, I don't believe this happened, or it has been greatly, greatly exaggerated.

Junkyard Tom

Shield wrote: »

From extensive policing experience, none of this makes sense.

And your 'extensive policing experience' compelled you to start this thread, about children not making sense, in After Hours?

Really?

SuperSean11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxu-Qz_v_7Q

Oranage2

I'm not fan of any religion especially the 'extreme' ones, and I'm definitely against the hijab.

But any attack on a child is sickly and cowardly.

*Assuming this is of course true.

Canis Lupus

A whole 9 minutes of who gives a sh*t.

BlaasForRafa

Shield wrote: »

For all the above reasons and many more, I don't believe this happened, or it has been greatly, greatly exaggerated.

She's probably being prompted to do this by muslim activist relatives to get an "islamaphobia" story in the news. She doesn't sound emotional at all, it sounds like she learned her spiel from a script.

Shield

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

And your 'extensive policing experience' compelled you to start this thread, about children not making sense, in After Hours?

Really?

No. I don't have extensive police experience starting threads in After Hours.

I had to draw on my extensive Boards experience for that.

jonon9

Shield wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLQMsynANrQ

The claim made by the child in question is that a man walked up behind her at 8:30am while she was walking to school, pulled down the hood of her winter jacket, and started cutting her hijab with a scissors. She screamed and he ran away. She hurried across the road with her brother where they followed a crowd of people "to be safe".

The man then came up behind her again moments later and resumed cutting her hijab. When she noticed him behind her cutting her hijab again, "he just smiled and ran away".

The man managed to cut the hijab twelve inches.

From extensive policing experience, none of this makes sense. The time, the setting, the assault, the risk of getting caught, the return of the smiling man "wearing all black" despite the crowd, no eyewitnesses from the crowd, no alarm raised, and so on, and so on.

For all the above reasons and many more, I don't believe this happened, or it has been greatly, greatly exaggerated.

Thats 300mm for you old bastards.

Donald Trump

Someone's gotta say the magic phrase!!!!

Radical
Islamic
Terrorism

Donald Trump

jonon9 wrote: »

Shield wrote: »

The man managed to cut the hijab twelve inches.

Thats 300mm for you old bastards.

Cool. I have a 300mm willy so

Along with me massive hands


Take that fake news!

Tokyo

Shield wrote: »

From extensive policing experience, none of this makes sense. The time, the setting, the assault, the risk of getting caught, the return of the smiling man "wearing all black" despite the crowd, no eyewitnesses from the crowd, no alarm raised, and so on, and so on.

For all the above reasons and many more, I don't believe this happened, or it has been greatly, greatly exaggerated.

There's also the simple possibility that the guy had mental issues, which isn't beyond the scope of what's being described here. And far worse crimes have been committed against children in far more public places and times than given above.

Your Face

A dwarf attacked my Muslim friend once...



It was a lowjab attack.

McMurphy

Shield wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLQMsynANrQ

Lil bollox in the background needs this treatment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMOw8U9F_s4

weldoninhio

Shield wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLQMsynANrQ

The claim made by the child in question is that a man walked up behind her at 8:30am while she was walking to school, pulled down the hood of her winter jacket, and started cutting her hijab with a scissors. She screamed and he ran away. She hurried across the road with her brother where they followed a crowd of people "to be safe".

The man then came up behind her again moments later and resumed cutting her hijab. When she noticed him behind her cutting her hijab again, "he just smiled and ran away".

The man managed to cut the hijab twelve inches.

From extensive policing experience, none of this makes sense. The time, the setting, the assault, the risk of getting caught, the return of the smiling man "wearing all black" despite the crowd, no eyewitnesses from the crowd, no alarm raised, and so on, and so on.

For all the above reasons and many more, I don't believe this happened, or it has been greatly, greatly exaggerated.

The fact that she’s claiming it happened the morning of the press conference, shows no emotion and seems to be very scripted makes me believe it never happened.

alchemist33

I'm struggling to see why a minor assault, even if on a child, where nobody was physically harmed, and on another continent, is worthy of a thread here.

Bubbaclaus

OP, in 1938, reading the newspaper. Reads about kristallnacht.

"In my vast policing experience, this didn't happen"

Because of the lack of internet he is unable to open thread on boards. He puts down the newspaper happy out he has told those liberals what is what in his mind again. The end.

FTA69

Attacks and abuse thrown at women in Islamic dress are common in the U.K. And have increased massively in recent years. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that similar stuff occurs in the US considering the xenophobia being stoked there.

Ralf and Florian

I'm a little sceptical TBH.

everlast75

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

She's probably being prompted to do this by muslim activist relatives to get an "islamaphobia" story in the news. She doesn't sound emotional at all, it sounds like she learned her spiel from a script.

She's probably 3 or 4 raccoons dressed up in a trench coat with an intricate string and pulley system.

'Bout as based on fact as your statement

everlast75

alchemist33 wrote: »

I'm struggling to see why a minor assault, even if on a child, where nobody was physically harmed, and on another continent, is worthy of a thread here.

It's not. It's purpose is to bring the "debate" down to two points of view that are well aired on Boards and neither party will convince the other that they are wrong

Fighting Tao

I’m struggling to find a point of this thread other than to be divisive.

quintana76

There have been several so called anti Islam attacks that were proved fake over the last year or so. Would not be surprised if this proves to be the case here. Justin Trudeau, never one to miss a chance to virtue signal has condemned it. Hope he ends up with egg all over his smug face.

Phoebas

alchemist33 wrote: »

I'm struggling to see why a minor assault, even if on a child, where nobody was physically harmed, and on another continent, is worthy of a thread here.

There just wasn't a thread on the first page of After Hours that allowed people to vent about either Islam or islamaphobia, so the OP helpfully searched the depths of the internet for something.

FTA69

Fighting Tao wrote: »

I’m struggling to find a point of this thread other than to be divisive.

Exactly, even if this is a hoax (everything is possible) you can be sure there are countless real examples of Muslims in America being abused in the street.

Field east

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

She's probably being prompted to do this by muslim activist relatives to get an "islamaphobia" story in the news. She doesn't sound emotional at all, it sounds like she learned her spiel from a script.

Stories get legs , the media take them on, politicians get involved and give the story a higher profile, makes the news on TV and now it becomes a REAL story irrespective of whether it happened or not - or something fairly innocent may have happened but certainly not the story that was put out there. So I wonder what was the case here. Everybody, by their utterances/ actions have an agenda- be it an overt or covert one. There is no problem with one having an agenda but are they trying to keep it SECRET?

By way of example , on the Late Late show last night, Liam Neeson had a very frightening story about a man who touched a woman's back in some endearing way during an interview or some similar situation in public felt that he should mention it to the lady afterwards that he should not have done it- now that we are in the ' Wynestein era'. He reiterated again a short time afterwards again what he had done and apologised for it. The lady ,on all occasions said not to worry, it was nothing, etc, etc. A few months afterwards a solicitor representing the lady sent a letter to the gentleman about the matter. You probably can accurately guess what the letter was about. Neeson was making the point that this area of "who touches who, in what way, etc , etc, etc" is gone overboard.
So if it goes to court, who's story will will be believedand which story will be the correct one?

meeeeh

Is this 'there was no Muslim terrorists attack this week that I know of but we have to fill antimuslim quota' thread? You can do better op, I'm sure someone blew themselves up in Kabul or Mogadishu or somewhere. You can start a thread about that.

Fighting Tao

meeeeh wrote: »

Is this 'there was no Muslim terrorists attack this week that I know of but we have to fill antimuslim quota' thread? You can do better op, I'm sure someone blew themselves up in Kabul or Mogadishu or somewhere. You can start a thread about that.

Sure it’s only noteworthy if it’s in the West. Muslims killing Muslims is surely a good thing in some people’s eyes.

vicwatson

Stopped watching after a minute, though the young lad in the background was funny, fixing his hair and sh1t

Discodog

Shield wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLQMsynANrQ

The claim made by the child in question is that a man walked up behind her at 8:30am while she was walking to school, pulled down the hood of her winter jacket, and started cutting her hijab with a scissors. She screamed and he ran away. She hurried across the road with her brother where they followed a crowd of people "to be safe".

The man then came up behind her again moments later and resumed cutting her hijab. When she noticed him behind her cutting her hijab again, "he just smiled and ran away".

The man managed to cut the hijab twelve inches.

From extensive policing experience, none of this makes sense. The time, the setting, the assault, the risk of getting caught, the return of the smiling man "wearing all black" despite the crowd, no eyewitnesses from the crowd, no alarm raised, and so on, and so on.

For all the above reasons and many more, I don't believe this happened, or it has been greatly, greatly exaggerated.

I hope it's in the past if you don't know the rules when dealing with any suspected assault on a child.

Barry Badrinath

Well if she doesnt like it, she should stop being a terrorist.

/sarcastic post/

Samaris

Poor kid.

Can't possibly know the truth from here, so I am more inclined to accept her word until proven false by the actual police.

darkdubh

According to BBC report attacker described as Asian, which in North America generally means East Asian.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42671385

Shield

mike_ie wrote: »

There's also the simple possibility that the guy had mental issues, which isn't beyond the scope of what's being described here. And far worse crimes have been committed against children in far more public places and times than given above.

Agreed 100%. That covers the possbility that it happened.

What next needs to be considered are the other facts as stated by the child, in order to discover the truth, whatever it may be.

Of particular interest are the pulling down of her hood to access her hijab, a single 12" incision made in motion on two separate occasions while wearing gloves, nobody from the crowd drawn to the cries of a screaming girl, etc.

To those protesting that this is an anti-Muslims thread, this is utterly untrue. I've had, and continue to have many Muslim friends and they're the nicest people I've ever met.

To clarify: My 'intention' in starting this thread was to provide a point of view from someone with particular life experience. If anyone out there has other life experience they would like to bring to the discussion, perhaps pointing out a blind spot that I may have in this case, or something I haven't considered, I'd love to hear it.

I'm aware this is an uncomfortable issue for some, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have discussions about uncomfortable issues.

Omackeral

FTA69 wrote: »

Exactly, even if this is a hoax (everything is possible) you can be sure there are countless real examples of Muslims in America being abused in the street.

FTA69 wrote: »

Attacks and abuse thrown at women in Islamic dress are common in the U.K. And have increased massively in recent years. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that similar stuff occurs in the US considering the xenophobia being stoked there.

This was in Canada

weldoninhio

Omackeral wrote: »

This was in Canada

Outrage transcends reading the actual article.

Annasopra

Shield wrote: »

Agreed 100%. That covers the possbility that it happened.

What next needs to be considered are the other facts as stated by the child, in order to discover the truth, whatever it may be.

Of particular interest are the pulling down of her hood to access her hijab, a single 12" incision made in motion on two separate occasions while wearing gloves, nobody from the crowd drawn to the cries of a screaming girl, etc.

To those protesting that this is an anti-Muslims thread, this is utterly untrue. I've had, and continue to have many Muslim friends and they're the nicest people I've ever met.

To clarify: My 'intention' in starting this thread was to provide a point of view from someone with particular life experience. If anyone out there has other life experience they would like to bring to the discussion, perhaps pointing out a blind spot that I may have in this case, or something I haven't considered, I'd love to hear it.

I'm aware this is an uncomfortable issue for some, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have discussions about uncomfortable issues.

Its very weird and strange that you are discussing the evidence when we (the general public) dont know what the evidence is. You keep saying no eye witnesses came forward and that noone from the crowd reacted. How do you know that exactly?

Rezident

Well since islam is killing people and blowing stuff up over perceived anti-muslim symbols (e.g. cartoons, or not being islamic, or even just being a different type of muslim!) then they can expect muslim symbols to be attacked in return. It's human nature, and I'm sure plenty of people are sick of their barbaric and backwards nonsense by now.

Why do they have to wear the hats anyway? What a bizarre rule! Think about it! Is it to cover up women because of the general islamic oppression of women or because if islamic men even see the sight of a women's flesh - you-know-what's probably going to happen to the woman - and of course it would be her own fault in islamic 'culture' for not covering herself up? Solved by 'honour killings' and the like. The religion of Peace!

AudreyHepburn

Regardless of your views on religion I think we can all agree that only monsters and cowards attack children.

If you are that badly offended by the religion in question at least be big enough to take it out on some one your own size.

KERSPLAT!

What is the point of the thread exactly, that you believe the girl is lying? It's not clear at all from your OP.

me_irl

Maybe this thread belongs here.

Skyfarm

Shield wrote: »

No. I don't have extensive police experience starting threads in After Hours.

I had to draw on my extensive Boards experience for that.

I don't have to guess where you got your knobhead comments on the starting of this thread.

if you are a police person, then there is very serious questions to be asked of your posting,
you do realise that the first thing you do when a child/man/woman reports abuse is to believe them.?

your post suggests that you are both judge and jury on this experience for the child

have you just comprised your role in the police service?

Herb Powell

alchemist33 wrote: »

I'm struggling to see why a minor assault, even if on a child, where nobody was physically harmed, and on another continent, is worthy of a thread here.

Hint: she's one of them dastardly brownfolk

me_irl wrote: »

Maybe this thread belongs here.

Or maybe here?

AlphabetCards

Herb Powell wrote: »

Hint: she's one of them dastardly brownfolk



Or maybe here?

I'm not sure how you are conflating the issue of race and religion here?

Odhinn

Rezident wrote: »

Well since islam is killing people and blowing stuff up over perceived anti-muslim symbols (e.g. cartoons, or not being islamic, or even just being a different type of muslim!) then they can expect muslim symbols to be attacked in return. It's human nature, and I'm sure plenty of people are sick of their barbaric and backwards nonsense by now.

Why do they have to wear the hats anyway? What a bizarre rule! Think about it! Is it to cover up women because of the general islamic oppression of women or because if islamic men even see the sight of a women's flesh - you-know-what's probably going to happen to the woman - and of course it would be her own fault in islamic 'culture' for not covering herself up? Solved by 'honour killings' and the like. The religion of Peace!

A great advertisement for our liberal values there.

The Highwayman

Shield wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLQMsynANrQ

The claim made by the child in question is that a man walked up behind her at 8:30am while she was walking to school, pulled down the hood of her winter jacket, and started cutting her hijab with a scissors. She screamed and he ran away. She hurried across the road with her brother where they followed a crowd of people "to be safe".

The man then came up behind her again moments later and resumed cutting her hijab. When she noticed him behind her cutting her hijab again, "he just smiled and ran away".

The man managed to cut the hijab twelve inches.

From extensive policing experience, none of this makes sense. The time, the setting, the assault, the risk of getting caught, the return of the smiling man "wearing all black" despite the crowd, no eyewitnesses from the crowd, no alarm raised, and so on, and so on.

For all the above reasons and many more, I don't believe this happened, or it has been greatly, greatly exaggerated.

TAQIYYA

Omackeral

Odhinn wrote: »

A great advertisement for our liberal values there.

Speak for yourself. I personally find all religion to be backwards nonsense, as do many I know. Barbaric might be pushing it a tad though!

ceadaoin.

Police now say that this incident didn't happen

Toronto police say an incident involving an 11-year-old girl who claimed to have her hijab cut by a stranger on the street, "did not happen."

On Friday, Toronto police said they were investigating a report that a young girl was attacked by a man with scissors, as she was walking to school in the east end of the city.

According to officers at the time, the 11-year-old girl was on her way to Pauline Johnson Public School in Scarborough, when she felt something and turned around to see a man trying to cut her hijab with a pair of scissors. She said she screamed and ran away, but the man returned less than 10 minutes later and tried to cut it once again.

In speaking with CTV News on Monday, Toronto Police Service spokesperson Mark Pugash said investigators reached the conclusion after sifting through the evidence

We had, as everyone knows, allegations of an extremely serious crime on Friday which we investigated -- we had a team of investigators who put together a significant amount of evidence and they came to the conclusion that the events that were alleged did not happen,” Pugash said.

“We have spoken with (the girl), we have spoken to all the people the public would expect us to speak to in the course of a thorough investigation, and when we put all of that together -- we looked at it very closely -- and that was the conclusion that we came to.”

Pugash said police wanted to make the update public as soon as possible.

“That’s why we put that information out as quickly as we could,” he said. “It… quite understandably reached an enormous amount of media and social media attention and we thought it was important that get our officers’ determination out as soon as we could so that people could have an accurate understanding of something that caused significant concern

Shield

Now what we need to know now is why two siblings lied to the media, the police and their school about something that verifiably didn't happen.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Police now say that this incident didn't happen

gmisk

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Police now say that this incident didn't happen

Yikes....why would she do this?
Parents pushing her into it?

Police Time and money wasted as well grrrr!

kylith

gmisk wrote: »

Yikes....why would she do this?
Parents pushing her into it?

Police Time and money wasted as well grrrr!

Maybe her hijab got torn and she told her parents a lie and they went; 'Right, Hate-crime! Off to the cops with us!' and she felt she was in so deep she had to keep lying.

Or maybe her parents pushed her into it

mcfitness20

lads if you can't wrap your head around america you can forget about canada