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Girl "scared" after hijab attack

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  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    quintana76 wrote: »
    There have been several so called anti Islam attacks that were proved fake over the last year or so. Would not be surprised if this proves to be the case here. Justin Trudeau, never one to miss a chance to virtue signal has condemned it. Hope he ends up with egg all over his smug face.


    Looks like I was right. Fake news. There have been a lot of these false attacks reported as true. Trudeau the clown jumped on the the wrong bandwagon this time.



    Toronto police are disputing an 11-year-old girl's claim that her hijab was cut by a scissors-wielding man as she walked to school last week.

    Toronto Police spokesman Mark Pugash said Monday an extensive investigation was conducted and police concluded it did not happen.

    The sixth-grader, her mother and her younger brother held a news conference at her school on Friday and Khawlah Noman said she was walking to school with her younger brother when a man came up behind her, pulled off her jacket hood and started cutting the bottom of her hijab. She said she turned around, screamed and the man ran away. She also said the man returned a short time later and continued to cut her hijab from behind before he smiled and ran away.

    Her mother called on police to treat it as a hate crime.

    The story made international headlines and drew public condemnation from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    I'm not fan of any religion especially the 'extreme' ones, and I'm definitely against the hijab.

    But any attack on a child is sickly and cowardly.

    *Assuming this is of course true.


    Why the hell are you "against" the hijab? What does that even mean?


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭Ralf and Florian


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Police now say that this incident didn't happen

    I knew it.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭Ralf and Florian


    Chrongen wrote: »
    Why the hell are you "against" the hijab? What does that even mean?

    Are you "for" it?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Spot on OP

    Toronto police say scissor attack on a girl's hijab 'did not happen'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42695319


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    I don't get it.
    According to officers at the time, the 11-year-old girl was on her way to Pauline Johnson Public School in Scarborough, when she felt something and turned around to see a man trying to cut her hijab with a pair of scissors. She said she screamed and ran away, but the man returned less than 10 minutes later and tried to cut it once again.


    We had, as everyone knows, allegations of an extremely serious crime on Friday which we investigated -- we had a team of investigators who put together a significant amount of evidence and they came to the conclusion that the events that were alleged did not happen.
    So they had a team of investigators working on this extremely serious crime. Wonder how rape or murder is classified if this was an extremely serious crime?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    Kivaro wrote: »
    I don't get it.
    According to officers at the time, the 11-year-old girl was on her way to Pauline Johnson Public School in Scarborough, when she felt something and turned around to see a man trying to cut her hijab with a pair of scissors. She said she screamed and ran away, but the man returned less than 10 minutes later and tried to cut it once again.


    We had, as everyone knows, allegations of an extremely serious crime on Friday which we investigated -- we had a team of investigators who put together a significant amount of evidence and they came to the conclusion that the events that were alleged did not happen.
    So they had a team of investigators working on this extremely serious crime. Wonder how rape or murder is classified if this was an extremely serious crime?
    If you had kids you would consider a knife attack on an 11 year old as an extremely serious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    baylah17 wrote: »
    If you had kids you would consider a knife attack on an 11 year old as an extremely serious.

    A knife attack on anyone is an extremely serious event. But what has that to do with anything?

    This story is made up.
    And the made-up story mentions nothing about a knife.
    The made-up story involves a man (who never existed) using a scissors to cut a piece of cloth (which never happened). The made-up story mentions nothing about a knife attack.

    I know you are offended, but you should scale back on the drama a bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,432 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    oh dear....


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,807 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    cisk wrote: »
    Spot on OP

    Toronto police say scissor attack on a girl's hijab 'did not happen'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42695319
    Yes, it was a good call, but I got slammed for even daring to start the thread in the first place. AH has been modded incredibly well of late, so I took a gamble and thought it might be a good place to start a difficult discussion on the facts as stated.

    Boy, was I wrong!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Shield wrote: »
    Yes, it was a good call, but I got slammed for even daring to start the thread in the first place. AH has been modded incredibly well of late, so I took a gamble and thought it might be a good place to start a difficult discussion on the facts as stated.

    Boy, was I wrong!

    That'll learn ya!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    And your 'extensive policing experience' compelled you to start this thread, about children not making sense, in After Hours?

    Really?

    Any response now Junkyard?

    Im sure Shield is listening lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Omackeral wrote: »
    This was in Canada

    I'm aware of that fact like, but anti-Islamic sentiment isn't limited to the UK, it exists across the Western world. This might have been codsh*t but there are countless incidents identical to this that happen all the time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    Shield wrote: »
    Yes, it was a good call, but I got slammed for even daring to start the thread in the first place. AH has been modded incredibly well of late, so I took a gamble and thought it might be a good place to start a difficult discussion on the facts as stated.

    Boy, was I wrong!

    All the psychotic lunatic lefties desperately thinking up excuses for the girl

    Heres a few .
    • She is a victim of racism/islamaphobia - thats why she did it
    • It's trump fault, hes creating division and she have to make stuff up - not her fault!!!
    • It's the far right and all the attacks and murders they are carrying out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭The Highwayman


    TAQIYYA

    Called it

    TAQIYYA


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Called it

    TAQIYYA

    Taqiya is a Shia concept to avoid persecution while travelling in Sunni areas. It hasn bugger all to do with what you're suggesting. It's amazing the amount of people willing to regurgitate stupid tropes they glean off partisan sites on the internet.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32 mcfitness20


    Shield wrote: »
    Yes, it was a good call, but I got slammed for even daring to start the thread in the first place. AH has been modded incredibly well of late, so I took a gamble and thought it might be a good place to start a difficult discussion on the facts as stated.

    Boy, was I wrong!

    take a persons word for what they say,
    but when someone is so obviously lying you can't deny
    it
    adults made a liar out of her
    probably clinton supporters foundation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    All the psychotic lunatic lefties desperately thinking up excuses for the girl

    Heres a few .
    • She is a victim of racism/islamaphobia - thats why she did it
    • It's trump fault, hes creating division and she have to make stuff up - not her fault!!!
    • It's the far right and all the attacks and murders they are carrying out
    Or maybe still a non story as it was a non story before. 11 years old telling truth or not is not the most riveting issue on the planet. And instead of discussing how it is even ok for 11 years old wearing a hijab to cover what is considered by some sexual parts there will be an in-depth discussion about her plan for worldwide Muslim domination.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,807 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    What did it for me what when she said her attacker ran away.

    Everyone knows you don't run with scissors.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Shield wrote: »
    Yes, it was a good call, but I got slammed for even daring to start the thread in the first place. AH has been modded incredibly well of late, so I took a gamble and thought it might be a good place to start a difficult discussion on the facts as stated.

    Boy, was I wrong!
    Nah you got slammed because a lot of people are fed up with thread after thread on muslins/identity politics/travellers etc, and then you picked an innocuous incident on the other side of the Atlantic. It's almost as bad as all the **** 'some nobody said something on twitter' threads


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    1. Where’s Nodin?

    2. Where’s Nodin to defend this girl for fabricating this story?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,807 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    Nah you got slammed because a lot of people are fed up with thread after thread on muslins/identity politics/travellers etc, and then you picked an innocuous incident on the other side of the Atlantic. It's almost as bad as all the **** 'some nobody said something on twitter' threads
    Yeah but you have to be fair here. This thread was none of the above. It didn't take long before I was effectively made out to be a white nationalist for trying to discuss a topical story.

    At least I now know not to start that thread about vegan feminists cycling in the bus lanes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,046 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    I have nothing against people of any religion but I fear there is going to be a huge backlash against this type of whinging.
    I had my confirmation shoes stolen when I was 11. I got on with it. I didn't whine about being oppressed.
    People who decide to live in western countries who come from non-western countries, please get on with it. Worship your God by all means, but don't expect everyone to stand to attention while you do. You shouldn't be surprised about how few people give a fiddlers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Or maybe still a non story as it was a non story before. 11 years old telling truth or not is not the most riveting issue on the planet. And instead of discussing how it is even ok for 11 years old wearing a hijab to cover what is considered by some sexual parts there will be an in-depth discussion about her plan for worldwide Muslim domination.

    Its indicative of the world we are living in today, that poor girl is being brought up being told she is a victim and to exploit and play the "Islamaphobia" card any chance she can get.
    She should be being brought up in TRUE equality , being told she truly is EQUAL to everyone else - not this victim victim victim mentality!!

    Disgraceful and the anti Trump hysterical left wing fascist media are just making it worse.

    There was a spate of false hate crimes reported in the weeks after Trumps win - it was so f*cking obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense that it was complete bs.

    just one example
    HEIL TRUMP --- really ??? ****ing really ??

    Even the biggest KKK redneck wouldn't write something like that ffs!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    1. Where’s Nodin?

    2. Where’s Nodin to defend this girl for fabricating this story?

    I know yeah, and I provided a little list for people just like him too ...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32 mcfitness20


    And your 'extensive policing experience' compelled you to start this thread, about children not making sense, in After Hours?

    Really?

    25 cents has been deposited to your shill account
    yours sinerely
    george soros
    (together we can destroy europe)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭millie35


    1. Where’s Nodin?

    2. Where’s Nodin to defend this girl for fabricating this story?

    The mere mention of Nodin which rhymes with Odhinn may get you a warning.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32 mcfitness20


    baylah17 wrote: »
    If you had kids you would consider a knife attack on an 11 year old as an extremely serious.
    MAYBE SOME OF US DONT LIE AND DON;T TEACH OUR CHILDREN TO LIE
    how many children do you have yourself,????
    let me guess none?????
    like the rest of the posters here who are trying to destroy europe
    you call us nazis,
    we are just trying to protect our children:D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32 mcfitness20


    Skyfarm wrote: »
    I don't have to guess where you got your knobhead comments on the starting of this thread.

    if you are a police person, then there is very serious questions to be asked of your posting,
    you do realise that the first thing you do when a child/man/woman reports abuse is to believe them.?

    your post suggests that you are both judge and jury on this experience for the child

    have you just comprised your role in the police service?

    haha
    eat your words
    or scuttle down into the sewer you came out of:pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32 mcfitness20


    Odhinn wrote: »
    A great advertisement for our liberal values there.

    let me guesss
    another big mouth phaggot with no childer of his own telling us how we should destroy europe,
    six curses on your head


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32 mcfitness20


    Shield wrote: »
    Now what we need to know now is why two siblings lied to the media, the police and their school about something that verifiably didn't happen.

    oh lordy
    all the shills who called you a racist have disappeared
    quelle surprise


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    25 cents has been deposited to your shill account
    yours sinerely
    george soros
    (together we can destroy europe)

    What's wrong pet? Did mammy not give you enough hugs and now you're angry with the world?

    *hugs*


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32 mcfitness20


    baylah17 wrote: »
    If you had kids you would consider a knife attack on an 11 year old as an extremely serious.

    if, big if, you had kids you would consider sending them on international tv to make dirty filthy liars of themselves abuse,
    or maybe by your standards it's normal :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32 mcfitness20


    What's wrong pet? Did mammy not give you enough hugs and now you're angry with the world?

    *hugs*

    i've no problem
    you could apologise to shield for your scurillous derogatory accusations and insinuations,
    and then fukk off back to reddit :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭Madagascan


    I have nothing against people of any religion but I fear there is going to be a huge backlash against this type of whinging.
    I had my confirmation shoes stolen when I was 11. I

    Protestants again Dougal.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,726 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    1. Where’s Nodin?

    2. Where’s Nodin to defend this girl for fabricating this story?
    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    I know yeah, and I provided a little list for people just like him too ...
    millie35 wrote: »
    The mere mention of Nodin which rhymes with Odhinn may get you a warning.

    MOD Don't be calling out other users like this on thread, next time will be a ban!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,464 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Nah you got slammed because a lot of people are fed up with thread after thread on muslins/identity politics/travellers etc, and then you picked an innocuous incident on the other side of the Atlantic. It's almost as bad as all the **** 'some nobody said something on twitter' threads

    It was hardly innocuous, it was front page news on the BBC news app the day she told the story and last night when the police said it did not happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    Disgraceful and the anti Trump hysterical left wing fascist media are just making it worse.
    Pot calling kettle hysterical?

    It almost amuses me how hysterical some can get about a fairly unimportant incident. Get a life. (and before I'm called left wing snowflake I'm not but I'm also not a completely paranoid right wing saddo).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭The Highwayman


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Taqiya is a Shia concept to avoid persecution while travelling in Sunni areas. It hasn bugger all to do with what you're suggesting. It's amazing the amount of people willing to regurgitate stupid tropes they glean off partisan sites on the internet.

    Yarden Mariuma writes: "Taqiyya is an Islamic juridical term whose shifting meaning relates to when a Muslim is allowed, under Sharia law, to lie.

    Wrong again, you are very good at it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,796 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    The poor girl was probably a victim of internalized Islamophobia.


  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Pot calling kettle hysterical?

    It almost amuses me how hysterical some can get about a fairly unimportant incident. Get a life. (and before I'm called left wing snowflake I'm not but I'm also not a completely paranoid right wing saddo).

    Strange how an incident can suddenly become unimportant when it ceases to fit in with the agenda. Makes you wonder why it was given such a high media profile in the first place. Some accident surely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    baylah17 wrote: »
    If you had kids you would consider a knife attack on an 11 year old as an extremely serious.
    MAYBE SOME OF US DONT LIE AND DON;T TEACH OUR CHILDREN TO LIE
    how many children do you have yourself,????
    let me guess none?????
    like the rest of the posters here who are trying to destroy europe
    you call us nazis,
    we are just trying to protect our children:D
    I have e
    And two grandchildren


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,913 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Mcfitness20 has been banned.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Site Banned Posts: 406 ✭✭Pepefrogok


    Disgraceful and unfortunately not unusual! This was a hate crime against the Canadian people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    Pepefrogok wrote: »
    Disgraceful and unfortunately not unusual! This was a hate crime against the Canadian people.

    Aided and abetted by Justin Trudeau.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Any response now Junkyard?

    Im sure Shield is listening lol.

    Yes, my original post stands. I mentioned that the child's story didn't make sense, I pointed out that she was a kid and I still wonder what motivated a person of 'extensive policing experience' to start a thread in AH about it.

    I've what I'd call a very finely tuned bullshitometer and the motivations for the 'brilliant' police work of detective Shield sets it off.

    Sceptically,

    JYT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    quintana76 wrote: »
    Strange how an incident can suddenly become unimportant when it ceases to fit in with the agenda. Makes you wonder why it was given such a high media profile in the first place. Some accident surely.

    What agenda, I maintained from the beginning it was a non story. It was given high media profile because most politicians are still on holidays and there is nothing to write about.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    Are you "for" it?


    No more than I am "for" a turban or a sari or a hat or a pair of gloves or a dot on an Indian woman's forehead or a miniskirt or a bra.

    It's a garment. What's this "for/against" busllshit?


  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    meeeeh wrote: »
    What agenda, I maintained from the beginning it was a non story. It was given high media profile because most politicians are still on holidays and there is nothing to write about.

    Explain Justin Trudeau then ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    Its indicative of the world we are living in today, that poor girl is being brought up being told she is a victim and to exploit and play the "Islamaphobia" card any chance she can get.
    She should be being brought up in TRUE equality , being told she truly is EQUAL to everyone else - not this victim victim victim mentality!!

    Disgraceful and the anti Trump hysterical left wing fascist media are just making it worse.

    There was a spate of false hate crimes reported in the weeks after Trumps win - it was so f*cking obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense that it was complete bs.

    just one example
    HEIL TRUMP --- really ??? ****ing really ??

    Even the biggest KKK redneck wouldn't write something like that ffs!!


    A clear announcement that someone hasn't a clue about the labels they spit out without thinking.

    Fascism is by nature a right-wing construct whose key tenets are the marriage of corporate and state power, the embrace of military idolisation, extreme nationalism, the use of symbols, flags and emblems to co-opt individual thought, the discouragement of intellectualism and the arts, the stifling of criticism of state policy and the embrace of religiosity to underpin state dogma.


    I don't think any of your so called lunatic lefties would be au fait with that. Maybe it's your cup of tea but not most peoples'.


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