Discovery 1x11 – "The Wolf Inside" [** SPOILERS **]

Johnny Storm

pixelburp wrote: »

I don't subscribe to Lorca being a Mirror spy, but there is something up: IIRC he didn't directly ask Stamets to jump to the starbase, but Lorca DID select some mysterious 'other' location from his command console. Don't have a screenshot handy, but I'm 99% sure he overrode the destination selection during a zoom-in onto his chair, just before the 'final' jump.

Edited to add: whatever is up with Lorca, he's a snaky fecker .....

Evade

Johnny Storm wrote: »

Edited to add: whatever is up with Lorca, he's a snaky fecker .....

I was just thinking about this yesterday. I had assumed the jump to the mirror universe was intentional but now I think it's more likely that Lorca was bringing them to a secret Starfleet/Section 31 base. The black badges haven't been brought up in a while.

pixelburp

Johnny Storm wrote: »

https://fsmedia.imgix.net/60/33/80/0e/0e2e/4025/9a92/1225ebf6da55/override-lorcapng.png?auto=format,compress&w=468

Edited to add: whatever is up with Lorca, he's a snaky fecker .....

Bingo: so there's definitely SOMETHING up with Lorca, but honestly I find it hard to believe he's a Mirror spy playing the longest of long games. Two sleeper agents for the price of one feels like overkill: surely the simplest explanation is that he's a Section 31 chap.

Or! Given he's pretty broken up about the loss of his previous ship (the 'Buran', right?), perhaps he figures he can use the Spore Drive to hop to another universe / time and save his crew? He seemed pretty impressed and enticed about the possibility of other universes in the first place...

AMKC

Well after watching this episode 2 and a half times and I have a question. How far can the transports work?

Where was the Discovery when they transported Tyler back on? The Schenzou is obviously over that planet the rebels were on now not where they met the Discovery at the place where ''The Battle of the Binary stars'' took place. So is Discovery still there when they beam him on or are they near where the Schenzoe is?

It was a good episode but simple enough too with no big surprises in it. I do not like Tyler at all so would have had no problem if his story had of ended there. He was ok in the first two episodes he was in but ever since the whole he was changed from klingon to human thing and brainwashed I just have not liked any of that.
I do not think Lorca is from the alternate Universe I think he is from our Universe and when the Emperor asks Micheal to bow the look he gives is a look of maybe feeling sorry for her as he knows how she feels about this Universe.

Did the Emperors ship fire while cloaked?

AtomicHorror

CramCycle wrote: »

Ierally didn't think that. He clearly told him, listen, job done, take a break. Stamets wanted to get it over and doen with.

Ah no, I agree with Johnny on this. Lorca pulled that move everyone does at times. Ah jays I'm awful tired and sure I still have all this work left to do. Oh sure I'll help you out. Oh no no, I couldn't ask you that... etc.

He totally guilted him into one last jump- the jump he needed now that he had his data.

pixelburp wrote: »

Or! Given he's pretty broken up about the loss of his previous ship (the 'Buran', right?), perhaps he figures he can use the Spore Drive to hop to another universe / time and save his crew? He seemed pretty impressed and enticed about the possibility of other universes in the first place...

Buran is already dead in the MU, so if that's his plan it won't work!

jasonb

AMKC wrote: »

Well after watching this episode 2 and a half times and I have a question. How far can the transports work?

Where was the Discovery when they transported Tyler back on? The Schenzou is obviously over that planet the rebels were on now not where they met the Discovery at the place where ''The Battle of the Binary stars'' took place. So is Discovery still there when they beam him on or are they near where the Schenzoe is?

This is what I was wondering about when the plan was for the Discovery to stay close, to beam them off, and then we saw the Shenzhou go to warp and the Discovery didn't.

I'm guessing the Discovery has been following the Shenzhou and is somewhere nearby, but hasn't been spotted for some reason...

Blazer

Skedaddle wrote: »

It was very watchable. What's killing it for me is that Netflix looks fantastic on Eir's VDSL2 fibre, but for some reason seem poorer quality and slightly 'strobing' as if the frame rate is lower when I have watched on Virgin Media 240 Mbit/s.

Eircom are hooked directly into Netflixes dedicated infrastructure for streaming hence why it’s better.
UPC refused to sign up for it as they were planning to release the horizon boxes shortly and didn’t want to push any advantage over their own product as lousy as it was. In fact they seemed to be deliberately throttling Netflix and YouTube as a lot of their customer base complained about poor streaming and buffering on YouTube and Netflix.
I used to be with them myself and YouTube and Netflix was awful even though I was on 200mb line.


https://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2057547730

seamus

I'm not sure if the poor quality is down to VM's non-peering with Netflix, or just down to the Horizon box.

When I use the Netflix app on the Horizon box, it can be noticeably less responsive, more prone to choppiness.

When I switch to the Netflix app on my PS3, using the same VM line, it's absolutely perfect.

Goodshape

I use Virgin Media and have never noticed anything but great quality on Netflix

AMKC

jasonb wrote: »

This is what I was wondering about when the plan was for the Discovery to stay close, to beam them off, and then we saw the Shenzhou go to warp and the Discovery didn't.

I'm guessing the Discovery has been following the Shenzhou and is somewhere nearby, but hasn't been spotted for some reason...

But we see what I assume is our Discovery at the beginning of the episode and it is still at the site of the battle unless it went to warp after that to get to where the Shenzhou is.
First time I seen it I thought it was the Mirror Universe I.S.S Discovery but the uniforms were the ones from the U.S.S Discovery so I take it was that one and not the MU one.

jasonb

AMKC wrote: »

But we see what I assume is our Discovery at the beginning of the episode and it is still at the site of the battle unless it went to warp after that to get to where the Shenzhou is.
First time I seen it I thought it was the Mirror Universe I.S.S Discovery but the uniforms were the ones from the U.S.S Discovery so I take it was that one and not the MU one.

Good point, hadn't spotted that!

Evade

Try not to think about how the Discovery transported Ash from that far away. The Dominion had transporters that had a range of a few lightyears therefore it's perfectly believable that the Discovery, as an experimental technologies ship, could have it 100 years earlier.

CramCycle

Evade wrote: »

Try not to think about how the Discovery transported Ash from that far away. The Dominion had transporters that had a range of a few lightyears therefore it's perfectly believable that the Discovery, as an experimental technologies ship, could have it 100 years earlier.

Also the captain may have had time to radio the Discovery on their secure line and say , here is my plan, make sure you are there to do this.

Evade

CramCycle wrote: »

Also the captain may have had time to radio the Discovery on their secure line and say , here is my plan, make sure you are there to do this.

I'm wondering how the Shenzhou didn't detect the Discovery warping in to transporter range which is (or at least used to be) relatively short range.

hal9550

One thing just occurred to me - perhaps its been raised already or i missed something but

where is Admiral Cornwall? Surely she is still on board?

ezra_

hal9550 wrote: »

One thing just occurred to me - perhaps its been raised already or i missed something but

where is Admiral Cornwall? Surely she is still on board?

Didn't she leave the ship a few episodes back?

OldMrBrennan83

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CramCycle

Patww79 wrote: »

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Which I presume was why people were suspicious of the Captain and thinking he forced the mirror universe jump, as he knew he was screwed once he got back there and she called out his mental capability to command. basically a last chance to get it done?

Slydice

OH Imagine Mirror Universe version Admiral Cornwall! :eek:

The_Valeyard

Slydice wrote: »

OH Imagine Mirror Universe version Admiral Cornwall! :eek:

ah, the Butcher of Corvan II

AMKC

Evade wrote: »

I'm wondering how the Shenzhou didn't detect the Discovery warping in to transporter range which is (or at least used to be) relatively short range.

Me too. Someone must have been asleep on the bridge. Unless Micheal beamed Tyler as far as the transporters would reach and then Discovery beamed him on with from the full range of there transporters so maybe it was out of sensor range of the Shenzhou.

Evade

AMKC wrote: »

Me too. Someone must have been asleep on the bridge. Unless Micheal beamed Tyler as far as the transporters would reach and then Discovery beamed him on with from the full range of there transporters so maybe it was out of sensor range of the Shenzhou.

I still don't think that'd work. I looked it up on Memory Alpha and transporter range in Enterprise is about 10,000km and TNG onwards is around 40,000km so STD should be somewhere in the middle. 80,000km in Star Trek ship terms is practically on top of each other, that's inside the weapons range of ships in TNG.

The_Valeyard

i wonder why the Terran ships dont have the gold paint on the hull?

corkie

S01E12 Vaulting Ambition



Above episode airs tonight and then we only have 3 more episodes this season.

Stark

pixelburp wrote: »

On that point, I was surprised just how gruesome those fleeting shots of the Tyler-Voq operation were. I'm not squeamish by all accounts, and have no great aversion to R-rated violence in Trek generally, but it seemed to border a little on the torture-porn territory.

I spent way too much time freeze framing that. Trying to figure out if the shots of Tyler interlaced with shots of Voq were an identity portrayal effect or if that was the actual original Lt. Tyler being used for body parts for the Voq/Tyler version.

CramCycle

Stark wrote: »

I spent way too much time freeze framing that. Trying to figure out if the shots of Tyler interlaced with shots of Voq were an identity portrayal effect or if that was the actual original Lt. Tyler being used for body parts for the Voq/Tyler version.

I was thinking that too, hard to tell. I did think that they were slowly replacing body parts of Voq with Tyler. Maybe this explains why the scanners didn't pick them up. It is also more likely, at this time, that they simply do not scan people all the time on board. maybe the communicators have life sign readings that communicate with the ship, if necessary, and that the ship doesn't actively seek them out.

seamus

Evade wrote: »

I still don't think that'd work. I looked it up on Memory Alpha and transporter range in Enterprise is about 10,000km and TNG onwards is around 40,000km so STD should be somewhere in the middle. 80,000km in Star Trek ship terms is practically on top of each other, that's inside the weapons range of ships in TNG.

Any organism can survive in space for a few minutes. We'll assume that Tyler doesn't have the benefit of his Klingon redundant organs or any other "strong" physiology.

So if the Shenzhou goes to warp as soon as he leaves and Discovery warps in about 30-40 seconds later, they can pick him up. Not sure if that's enough time to escape sensors - maybe Burnham was tinkering with them from the bridge.

Though him suddenly breathing and standing up would be a dramatisation, he'd need fairly urgent resuscitation.

Discovery has so far been very good about covering plot holes though, just not quite as obvious as earlier Treks - the explanation for this will probably emerge as a throwaway comment in two episodes rather than being spoonfed to us.

Evade

seamus wrote: »

So if the Shenzhou goes to warp as soon as he leaves and Discovery warps in about 30-40 seconds later, they can pick him up. Not sure if that's enough time to escape sensors - maybe Burnham was tinkering with them from the bridge.

Except Tyler was beamed off in the system with the rebel base and the Shenzhou is still there when the Discovery beams him up.

CramCycle

Did the rebels make it? Do you think we will see them again, hell bent on killing Burnam.