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    #122
    paddybarry
    Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭paddybarry


    Under new system you are simply applying for an AP1 or AP2 post. Duties will be assigned afterwards and can be changed on a regular basis to reflect needs of school.

    Under old system, you applied for duties specific to an AP1/AP2, that is not the case anymore.


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    #123
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    paddybarry wrote: »
    Under new system you are simply applying for an AP1 or AP2 post. Duties will be assigned afterwards and can be changed on a regular basis to reflect needs of school.

    Under old system, you applied for duties specific to an AP1/AP2, that is not the case anymore.

    It sounds like a business pitch then for your area of specialisation.

    If I were to get the AP1 position I would....


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    #124
    ASISEEIT
    Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭ASISEEIT


    What paddy says is true but a teacher can tell if an A post will be a year head if there is a vacancy in that area.


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    #125
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    What paddy says is true but a teacher can tell if an A post will be a year head if there is a vacancy in that area.

    But that's all changing now.
    It'd be year head + other duties


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    #126
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    We've just started a review of posts. All it has done is confirm that I definitely don't want one. There is way too much unknown, you are applying to a job that could change annually. The money just isn't worth the stress for me anyways


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    #127
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,247 ✭✭✭✭km79


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    We've just started a review of posts. All it has done is confirm that I definitely don't want one. There is way too much unknown, you are applying to a job that could change annually. The money just isn't worth the stress for me anyways

    How long has process taken ?
    Have posts been reassigned yet ?


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    #128
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    We're having a staff meeting tomorrow evening to do our review. Shoot me now.


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    #129
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    My school has decided not to even start the review until next Sept. We are due two AP1 and two AP2 posts.


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    #130
    WWMRD
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭WWMRD


    Well our school have gone through the review process. We were all randomly placed into groups and came up with a list of needs for the school.

    The school development committee then narrowed them down to a short list which went through the BOM.

    The interviews were held for AP1s of which we had two and the places have been filled however the people appointed don't know what role they got!!!!!!

    I'm assuming after the appeals deadline a review of AP1s will be carried out and I expect a re gig of people in those roles will occur!!

    Overall the process wasn't too painful :-)

    Now the AP2 posts are up next.......I'll keep ye posted 😂😂


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    #131
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    km79 wrote: »
    How long has process taken ?
    Have posts been reassigned yet ?

    Its only started. We got told about needs of the school and that leading our schools document then split up into groups to decide on the needs of the school. TBH my group was a bit of a disaster and we got no where. Others seem to have done better. We then ranked things individually using a google form and we get a list back of the results. It was not my favourite meeting with multiple post holders in my group. #superawkward


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    #132
    Mardy Bum
    Registered Users Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    km79 wrote: »
    How long has process taken ?
    Have posts been reassigned yet ?

    Its only started. We got told about needs of the school and that leading our schools document then split up into groups to decide on the needs of the school. TBH my group was a bit of a disaster and we got no where. Others seem to have done better. We then ranked things individually using a google form and we get a list back of the results. It was not my favourite meeting with multiple post holders in my group. #superawkward

    It should have been split so that postholders were spread evenly around the room.

    The benefits of group work knows no bounds. Yet the inspectorate expects 14 year olds to do this about things they have no interest in.


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    #133
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    One of my colleagues said to me "hold on, are we deciding on what extra work to give to the post-holders?". He was delighted filling in as much as possible :pac:


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    #134
    amacca
    Registered Users Posts: 6,955 ✭✭✭amacca


    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    The benefits of group work knows no bounds. Yet the inspectorate expects 14 year olds to do this about things they have no interest in.

    :D:D:D


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    #135
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    It should have been split so that postholders were spread evenly around the room.

    The benefits of group work knows no bounds. Yet the inspectorate expects 14 year olds to do this about things they have no interest in.

    We did, we were just a lucky group who had two plus a couple of people who had no clue what was going on and what should or shouldn’t be on the list. Painful.


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    #136
    Icsics
    Registered Users Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭Icsics


    Have to hand it to the JMB, they did a great job on this one! We have nice generic titles like PR, who decides what the nitty gritty will be....the Principal.
    These posts will be loaded, just a pity that the duties of P & DP are included.


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    #137
    ggg16
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭ggg16


    How best should should one prepare for these interviews? Interviewing for these seems so broad given all the roles we have listed after our review.


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    #138
    ASISEEIT
    Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭ASISEEIT


    ggg16 wrote: »
    How best should should one prepare for these interviews? Interviewing for these seems so broad given all the roles we have listed after our review.

    Read your application form. You showed competency in key areas. Read towards 2016 planning for our schools


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    #139
    ASISEEIT
    Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭ASISEEIT


    I spoke to ASTi today about these posts. staff should have been consulted. If you feel this didnt really happen Id ask for an ASTi meeting and then the outcome of this meeting to be communicated to the Secretary BOM. Principals will fall back on consultation and consensus if people quibble about posts. In other words-we had a meeting. You agreed to this etc etc. If you want evidence that there really wasnt consultation/Consensus now is the time to build it-not after interviews.


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    #140
    andrewg1981
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭andrewg1981


    Just had a query from a friend. Is there any guidelines for the composition of the group that take all the feedback from the whole staff and conduct the final review? I remember our old review two years ago was - P / DP / 2AP / 2SP / 3 Non-Post.

    Just wondering has that changed?


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    #141
    TheDriver
    Registered Users Posts: 12,517 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    I think it's now P, DP, AP1, AP2 and non post holder and any other person


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    #142
    ASISEEIT
    Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭ASISEEIT


    Given that the people going for new jobs dont have a post the composition of such a board seems unfair.
    Most people being interviewed dont have a post


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    #143
    ASISEEIT
    Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭ASISEEIT


    How did the posts go in your school?


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    #144
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    ASISEEIT wrote: »
    How did the posts go in your school?

    Same auld ding dong. :pac:


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    #145
    Icsics
    Registered Users Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭Icsics


    evolving_doors wrote: »
    Same auld ding dong. :pac:

    Advertised now, interviewed next term. I could prob make a fair guess who will get them!


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    #146
    ASISEEIT
    Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭ASISEEIT


    Best of luck to them. In the end I didnt apply as the vast majority of jobs were not worth 2k after tax and were just full of bull****. However I respect those who thought they are worthwhile- its just most of these plans to be written are booker prize entries.


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