Importing a 2nd-hand CPO (Certified Pre-Owned) Tesla from the UK

irishgrover

slave1 wrote:

Bold bit by me, how would the NCT centre know you have bought the car VAT free? If you show them a typed up invoice how would they be aware of the VAT implication?

NCT will charge VAT regardless. If you have already paid vat in UK there is a mechanism to claim it back from the UK, hour I don't have details as I bought my car ex vat (2 month old Ioniq)

tails_naf

hatrack wrote: »

It’s only appearing on used cars. No such message on new inventory.

Did anyone else get confirmation if this is preventing cpo cars from being sold to Ireland? I called tesla Dublin and they did not know, called a tesla store in the UK and they did not know. I'm sick of trying to get through to the cpo number it never answers and they seem to not call back either.... new car sales do pickup, just cpo do not.

agentblue

I was in the Tesla showroom in Dublin yesterday. One of the guys, Cillian was very helpful. He confirmed that Tesla Ireland WILL NOT honor the 4 year extended warranty that is offered on CPO cars in the UK. They will only honor the original warranty which starts on the date of first registration.
This means that for anyone who was looking at a CPO car from the UK, including myself, it might no longer make sense to pay the premium that is on the CPO cars for a warranty that will not be honored.
Hope this helps.

aliveandkicking

agentblue wrote: »

I was in the Tesla showroom in Dublin yesterday. One of the guys, Cillian was very helpful. He confirmed that Tesla Ireland WILL NOT honor the 4 year extended warranty that is offered on CPO cars in the UK. They will only honor the original warranty which starts on the date of first registration.
This means that for anyone who was looking at a CPO car from the UK, including myself, it might no longer make sense to pay the premium that is on the CPO cars for a warranty that will not be honored.
Hope this helps.

I suggest you get this double checked with Tesla Europe HQ in Tilburg or ask to get it in writing off Dublin as I believe Cillian to be incorrect here. Tesla honour warranties across the European Economic Area. For example a CPO Tesla bought in say France will have it's warranty honoured in Germany. The same should apply UK to Ireland at least until the UK leaves the EU.

Edit: Tesla Europe CPO warranty document here confirming warranty honoured across European Economic Area.

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/Tesla_Pre-Owned_Warranty-EU.pdf

tails_naf

I got a reply from tesla uk sales by email saying they don't do cross border sales to Ireland. I followed up to clarify that this also excludes me coming to the UK and picking it up in person (which was always my plan) to see if that makes a difference. I'll post here if I get a reply.

I'm not thst worried about the extended warranty - id just like the option of getting a cpo car as there are some nice ones.

It's actually illegal for them not to sell to anyone in the EU, but Mercedes UK won't sell to irish buyers either, so hopefully they are not going down that road...

agentblue

aliveandkicking wrote: »

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Edit: Tesla Europe CPO warranty document here confirming warranty honoured across European Economic Area.

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/Tesla_Pre-Owned_Warranty-EU.pdf

Page 2 of that document seems to say that they will honour the warranty provided you bring it back to the country of original cpo purchase.
Transport of a non driving model s back to the UK would be costly I would imagine!!
Still worth a phone call though.

unkel

agentblue wrote: »

Transport of a non driving model s back to the UK would be costly I would imagine!!

Last time I looked Northern Ireland was still part of the UK

agentblue

unkel wrote: »

Last time I looked Northern Ireland was still part of the UK

Is there a service centre in Norn Iron

zep

New wording on Tesla UK used section, well I never noticed it previously, doesn't suggest it can't be exported but still. 
"Domestic Sale Only You acknowledge and agree that the Vehicle is sold to you locally in the country of delivery and that you shall not involve us in any export procedures and/or submit any related export documentation on our behalf. We reserve the right to cancel your order should you violate any of these obligations"

LAcer

When I looked online the Manchester Tesla website states warranties are only valid for domestic sales.

Bionicleg

I have a imported used model s and have warranty work done in Sandyford with no issues.

Have to add, Tesla have best aftersales service of any car maker I have had. Always give you a loaner car of equal if not better than your own car, they have no problems getting parts and don’t quibble about anything. If you have a problem they sort it. Tesla are the Complete opposite experience I have had with any other garage.

Other owners reported the same.

ted1

zep wrote: »

New wording on Tesla UK used section, well I never noticed it previously, doesn't suggest it can't be exported but still. 
"Domestic Sale Only You acknowledge and agree that the Vehicle is sold to you locally in the country of delivery and that you shall not involve us in any export procedures and/or submit any related export documentation on our behalf. We reserve the right to cancel your order should you violate any of these obligations"

I’m sure the EU would rule it illegal if they prevented it from being exported or wouldn’t sell you one if you planned to export it.

The above wording may also be illegal , what happens to a Uk bought and registered car holidaying in Ireland ?

tails_naf

ted1 wrote: »

I’m sure the EU would rule it illegal if they prevented it from being exported or wouldn’t sell you one if you planned to export it.

The above wording may also be illegal , what happens to a Uk bought and registered car holidaying in Ireland ?

You'd think - but try buying a used Mercedes from a main Mercedes dealer - they won't sell it. I tried last year and found out the hard way. It's totally illegal, but I guess no one has tried the case. Apparently Mercedes Ireland have some arrangement where they import from Mercedes UK but no one else can.

jarrieta

tails_naf wrote: »

You'd think - but try buying a used Mercedes from a main Mercedes dealer - they won't sell it. I tried last year and found out the hard way. It's totally illegal, but I guess no one has tried the case. Apparently Mercedes Ireland have some arrangement where they import from Mercedes UK but no one else can.

This is a pity because in my mind after the silly prices of Kona and Niro this was getting closer to my better chance to getting a long range EV

tails_naf

jarrieta wrote: »

This is a pity because in my mind after the silly prices of Kona and Niro this was getting closer to my better chance to getting a long range EV

Well you can still buy both Mercedes and Tesla from normal dealers in the UK, just not from an official/main dealer

agentblue

tails_naf wrote: »

Well you can still buy both Mercedes and Tesla from normal dealers in the UK, just not from an official/main dealer

Are you sure about not being able to buy from main TESLA dealer. They just don't want to be involved with the export process. What is to stop me going in with cash to buy the car? I know there will be a problem with warranty.

slave1

It's a shame Tesla are being like this with cross border sales given the hardship and lobbying they do in the states as they are not allowed to sell in certain states and have to cross "border" to sell themselves

jarrieta

agentblue wrote: »

Are you sure about not being able to buy from main TESLA dealer. They just don't want to be involved with the export process. What is to stop me going in with cash to buy the car? I know there will be a problem with warranty.

Well, that is my problem, if I spend that kind of money I would like the PSO warranty. I won't be buying without any warranty

tails_naf

agentblue wrote: »

Are you sure about not being able to buy from main TESLA dealer. They just don't want to be involved with the export process. What is to stop me going in with cash to buy the car? I know there will be a problem with warranty.

True, as long as they would be willing to give the v5, then it should work. Only the standard warranty and not the CPO warranty would seem to apply though

BigAl81

This is the full wording on the Tesla website...

"You acknowledge and agree that the Vehicle is sold to you locally in the country of delivery and that you shall not involve us in any export procedures and/or submit any related export documentation on our behalf. We reserve the right to cancel your order should you violate any of these obligations."

Is there anything to stop you buying from Tesla and importing yourself?

Would you have to register it to a UK address first?

Any idea why they would mind if you export it? You'd think they'd be happy with a sale?

CFC007

Cheap S here. Is it dual motor?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809180604348?advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=sw62ef&sort=price-asc&page=3&make=TESLA&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used

unkel

No, just RWD according to the ad. And it is white

ELM327

And you can see the screen says 75 and not 75D

Petetheroadie

CFC007 wrote: »

Cheap S here. Is it dual motor?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809180604348?advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=sw62ef&sort=price-asc&page=3&make=TESLA&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used

Nope, just a 75 badge, no D so RWD.

BigAl81

CFC007 wrote:

Cheap S here. Is it dual motor?

Hum, that's the cheapest 2017 Model S on AutoTrader, almost suspiciously cheap!

It's not all wheel drive if that's what you mean, if it was it would be a "75 D" and have the D on the badge on the back of the car.

Soarer

CFC007 wrote: »

Cheap S here. Is it dual motor?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201809180604348?advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=sw62ef&sort=price-asc&page=3&make=TESLA&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used

"Key battery needs replacing"

You're asking the guts of £50k, and you show a picture like that?!

You'd replace the battery for a €500 Corolla ffs!

unkel

LOL, well spotted Soarer

mrbongo

BigAl81 wrote: »

This is the full wording on the Tesla website...

"You acknowledge and agree that the Vehicle is sold to you locally in the country of delivery and that you shall not involve us in any export procedures and/or submit any related export documentation on our behalf. We reserve the right to cancel your order should you violate any of these obligations."

Is there anything to stop you buying from Tesla and importing yourself?

Would you have to register it to a UK address first?

Any idea why they would mind if you export it? You'd think they'd be happy with a sale?

That says you're free to import it to Ireland but don't involve Tesla UK in the process.

I contacted Tesla in Ireland to see if they would honour a Tesla UK warranty given for a used Tesla sold by Tesla UK ... they will. Here's the reply:

Thank you for getting in touch,

In regards to your request, I have spoken with our Dublin team and they have advised that if you were to purchase a Tesla from the UK and ship it to Ireland, the warranty would still be applicable.

If you would like to discuss your plans or find out more about the warranty, please feel free to contact our Tesla Dublin store on +353 1903 8770.

I hope this has helped,

markpb

mrbongo wrote: »

That says you're free to import it to Ireland but don't involve Tesla UK in the process.

How does that work, do you need to have a UK address to register the vehicle to before exporting it to Ireland?

unkel

markpb wrote: »

How does that work, do you need to have a UK address to register the vehicle to before exporting it to Ireland?

No. You don't need a UK address. Same with any other second hand purchase in the UK. You pays your moneys, you take the car and the V5C and bring it over here. See lots of detail earlier in this thread!

markpb

unkel wrote: »

No. You don't need a UK address. Same with any other second hand purchase in the UK. You pays your moneys, you take the car and the V5C and bring it over here. See lots of detail earlier in this thread!

This bit from the OP confused me:

V5 logbook: A delivery specialist called me a couple of weeks before collection to confirm the appointment and answer any questions. Originally they asked for a UK address to register the car to and where the V5 logbook would be sent, but I raised that I needed to take the whole V5 registration document with me when I collect the car (this is required to register the car in Ireland) and referenced the DVLA’s (UK car agency) guidance that when selling to a foreign buyer they should notify the DVLA of export and give the buyer the whole V5 document. He initially pushed back, but then said he would check and called me back later that day to say he had confirmed I was right and would be able to take the whole V5 with me on collection day.

If they have to notify DVLA, surely that involves Tesla UK in the export?

tails_naf

I've some good news for the folks still interested in getting a UK CPO -

Back in late December I made some enquiries about the wording of the CPO terms and conditions - finally got to a CPO rep who confirmed that if I picked up the car in person, then there should be no issue.

So just a few weeks ago I took the plunge and put down a deposit - still nervous that I could have lost it if Tesla UK decided it was indeed against the terms. Luckily they were absolutely great to deal with. I asked for the car to be delivered to Manchester, and from the first call the handover reps there were excellent - and well aware of the V5 requirements, etc.

The process was relatively quick - so for anyone looking to get one before Brexit, at least now you know Tesla are cool with it.

Hope this helps!

unkel

I sent off an email to NCTS to enquire about VRT on a used Model S imported from the UK. I asked about the following hypothetical cars:

1. 2014 Model S 60, no major options, cost GBP31000
2. 2016 Model S 75 no major options, cost GBP41000
3. 2014 Model S P85 with autopilot and 7 seat option GBP37000
4. 2014 Model S 60 with autopilot and 7 seat options GBP40000
5. 2015 Model S 60 with 7 seat options GBP38000


I'll update here when (or should I say if :rolleyes:) I get a reply

These are definitely coming down in price in the last month or so, probably with the expectation of the much cheaper and better value Model 3 coming to the UK within the year (LHD cars started shipping to continental customers last week)

This has renewed my interest in one, particularly given that the depreciation on my Ioniq EV is still minimal after owning it for nearly 2 years.

yannakis

I know this thread focuses on the CPO cars, but I've got a question on the non-CPO ones available in the market. Would you avoid them or prefer the CPO one over them for any particular reason besides warranty etc?

s8n

Very interesting thread

ted1

yannakis wrote: »

I know this thread focuses on the CPO cars, but I've got a question on the non-CPO ones available in the market. Would you avoid them or prefer the CPO one over them for any particular reason besides warranty etc?

CPOs tend to get upgrades to match newer specs

Sabre Man

tails_naf wrote: »

I've some good news for the folks still interested in getting a UK CPO -

Back in late December I made some enquiries about the wording of the CPO terms and conditions - finally got to a CPO rep who confirmed that if I picked up the car in person, then there should be no issue.

So just a few weeks ago I took the plunge and put down a deposit - still nervous that I could have lost it if Tesla UK decided it was indeed against the terms. Luckily they were absolutely great to deal with. I asked for the car to be delivered to Manchester, and from the first call the handover reps there were excellent - and well aware of the V5 requirements, etc.

The process was relatively quick - so for anyone looking to get one before Brexit, at least now you know Tesla are cool with it.

Hope this helps!

Congratulations! If you're on Facebook you can find us at Tesla Owners Ireland if you want to get in touch with fellow owners.

slave1

tails_naf wrote: »

I've some good news for the folks still interested in getting a UK CPO -

Back in late December I made some enquiries about the wording of the CPO terms and conditions - finally got to a CPO rep who confirmed that if I picked up the car in person, then there should be no issue.

So just a few weeks ago I took the plunge and put down a deposit - still nervous that I could have lost it if Tesla UK decided it was indeed against the terms. Luckily they were absolutely great to deal with. I asked for the car to be delivered to Manchester, and from the first call the handover reps there were excellent - and well aware of the V5 requirements, etc.

The process was relatively quick - so for anyone looking to get one before Brexit, at least now you know Tesla are cool with it.

Hope this helps!

Please let us know cost, VRT and most importantly some photos.
Congrats on your Tesla dude

unkel

Thank you for your email. I would like to confirm the role of Applus in the VRT procedure is limited to the initial inspection of a vehicle and to check that all the documentation presented accurately matches the vehicle that is presented on the day. It does not cover any calculations of VRT payable or penalties. I can only refer you to the VRT Calculator which is available on the Revenue website. Vehicle Registration Tax Calculator
In cases where the vehicle is not on the VRT calculator the Revenue use different methods to determine the amount payable. I have taken the liberty of including an extract from the Revenue Commissioners website:
Determining an OMSP

If a vehicle is not on the calculator, Revenue will determine its OMSP, but only after it is presented for registration. Revenue staff do not provide estimates for vehicles that have not been presented for registration. Revenue uses market indicators such as UK and Irish trade guides, advertisements, and experts.

If a vehicle is not listed and you need an OMSP estimate before buying then you must conduct your own research. The VRT Estimate Form may be used for makes that are not commonly distributed in Ireland.

Revenue staff do not provide OMSPs unless the vehicle has been presented for registration.

unkel

Ridiculous system. We won't tell you how much it is until after you have bought it :rolleyes:

Petetheroadie

😠 Ridiculous is right...

Soarer

unkel wrote: »

Ridiculous system. We won't tell you how much it is until after you have bought it :rolleyes:

Plus, "you must do your own research".

Which will be immediately discredited once you show up with the car!

unkel

It does mention UK trade guides and advertisements. I wonder if you prove how much you paid for it (in the UK) while protesting your VRT case (you have to pay whatever they want first, before you can fight it later) would it hold?

Like Teslas, Porsches have never been in the VRT calculator. The guy I bought my first Porsche from brought it in and was lucky that he had a reasonably low bill (still about 40% of what he paid for the car :rolleyes:), but I've heard of others who were badly stung

slave1

No matter what the VRT is, pay it and dispute, I've done it every time and got a cheque back (not on a cheaper EV obviously)

tails_naf

slave1 wrote: »

Please let us know cost, VRT and most importantly some photos.
Congrats on your Tesla dude

Thanks man - I'm absolutely delighted. I haven't any pics taken yet - but it's a blue 161 90d model s - just one week shy of being a 162. No idea what the vrt will be but given there is 5k back I'd expect maybe 3k? Paid 50k gbp, so pretty good deal i think.

One immediate advantage of CPO is Tesla themselves. When I picked it up i noticed one of the LED strips of the daylight running light was dim. They agreed and are getting a replacement part sent to Ireland and tesla here will sort it. So that's a major bonus.

umbauk

I'm glad so many found this post useful. 14 months on and still in love with the car and looking for every opportunity for a long drive!

However, I'll soon be moving to the US so I've sadly had to put the car up for sale (Link). Ofcourse, the first thing I'll do when I get there is buy another!

staples7

Like many others I found this thread really informative. I need to pick up a family car in the new year (2 kids under 2 currently). And though I would love to have an EV I’ve never seriously considered one an option until I recently saw how reasonable they have become in the uk. (due to range and size) Starting at 33k for a 2014/2015 CPO currently. I have free charging at work so would almost completely eliminate my fuel costs. A few quick questions I do have

The 4 year warranty Tesla uk are offering on some CPOs. Will Tesla ireland honour this? And if something like the center console or a door handle malfunctioned is the only option to take it to tesla Dublin? I have heard of roaming technicians but don’t know if that is true?

I know the extra kids ‘jump seats’ were an option in the boot but can Tesla retro fit?
There are a few at work but I really need to take a look at properly. The boot capacity being advised appears to be huge going by figures. Up to now I had only being looking at 2/3 year old a6 Avants & be tiguans. Would be spending 25-30k so my thinking is spend a bit more and have something that ticks every box and a lot of fun! The VRT is also really attractive. I’m guesstimating at 2k ish for the above mentioned CPO after the 5k discount.

Most of these cars in Tesla site appear to be Located in UpperHeyford? Would they transfer to an easier location? Manchester maybe.

Besides increased insurance costs are there any other hidden pitfalls. I don’t think I would purchase outside of a main dealer for warranty reasons. Any advice on what to look out for would be greatly appreciated!!

ELM327

My 2016S90D was 2800€ vrt
It was a CPO from heathrow but they transferred it to Manchester for me to collect (they wont ship to Dublin)

Look out for: Type 2 cable included. V5 included. Check the fiddly stuff works before leaving. Make sure to get CCS upgrade done before collection. I got mine included for free, it normally costs 500€.

yannakis

Care sharing a list of the fiddly stuff?

Is there a difference between the CCS upgrade and using adaptors like this one?

staples7

Thanks for the above, would Tesla uk share pics of the actual cars if requested? Also will Tesla ireland look after the extra 2/4 year warranty?

Wonder if we will see a further drop in prices in early 2020. Or is this unlikely.

If anyone has a good contact in Tesla uk regards the cpos would be great full for a pm

Space appears to be great in the model’s, how are people finding them with kids and all the bits that follow. Seen a few videos online where buggy’s will fit in the front bonnet space...