"We don't want Scientology in our town" - Hypocrisy?

JCX BXC

http://www.thejournal.ie/ballivor-scientology-protest-3802998-Jan2018/

LOCALS HAVE TURNED out in significant numbers in Co Meath to protest the proposed establishment of a drug rehabilitation centre locally, which has been linked with the Church of Scientology.

Present on the protest were anti-Scientology and autism activist Fiona O’Leary, and local woman Susan Davis. A further meeting is planned to be held on the matter this evening in the locality.

RTE also had quite a bit about this piece on the news.

Am I the only one seeing the blatant hypocrisy here? Imagine if a bunch of locals turned out to protest against a drug rehabilitation centre being set up by members of a mosque? Imagine an "anti-islamic" activist who wasn't abused by all media?

Scientology is a terrible religion no doubt, however religions such as Christianity and Islam have caused massive issues around the world, with many deaths, abuses and general promotion of backward practises for centuries. However, these are actively promoted in Ireland, in state funded schools, many drug rehabilitation centres etc.

One rule for some and another for the rest?

Fiery mutant

Members of cults generally don’t like other cults.

falinn merking

JCX BXC wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/ballivor-scientology-protest-3802998-Jan2018/



RTE also had quite a bit about this piece on the news.

Am I the only one seeing the blatant hypocrisy here? Imagine if a bunch of locals turned out to protest against a drug rehabilitation centre being set up by members of a mosque? Imagine an "anti-islamic" activist who wasn't abused by all media?

Scientology is a terrible religion no doubt, however religions such as Christianity and Islam have caused massive issues around the world, with many deaths, abuses and general promotion of backward practises for centuries. However, these are actively promoted in Ireland, in state funded schools, many drug rehabilitation centres etc.

One rule for some and another for the rest?

Yes the locals are total cowards I would protest against Islam way before this lot and in doing so you get branded a racist.

As regards Scientology it is just a bunch of stupid people giving their money away they are only harming themselves I say let them at it.

Edit I don't think I have ever been at any kind of protest.:D

But I would be even less inclined to protest this lot.

gandalf

No they are right Scientology is a cult and a scam. They are right to want it driven from their community. We already have enough problems trying to extract one cult from our society rather than letting an even bigger bunch of whackjobs free reign to get their claws into vulnerable people!

CardinalJ

Verpiss dich wrote: »

As regards Scientology it is just a bunch of stupid people giving their money away they are only harming themselves I say let them at it.

It's a bunch of manipulated and vulnerable people giving their money away.

one world order

JCX BXC wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/ballivor-scientology-protest-3802998-Jan2018/



RTE also had quite a bit about this piece on the news.

Am I the only one seeing the blatant hypocrisy here? Imagine if a bunch of locals turned out to protest against a drug rehabilitation centre being set up by members of a mosque? Imagine an "anti-islamic" activist who wasn't abused by all media?

Scientology is a terrible religion no doubt, however religions such as Christianity and Islam have caused massive issues around the world, with many deaths, abuses and general promotion of backward practises for centuries. However, these are actively promoted in Ireland, in state funded schools, many drug rehabilitation centres etc.

One rule for some and another for the rest?

The promotion of a godless society, lacking in moral values and purpose in life are causing greater issues with declining birth rates, high depression rates and pressures to maintain a fake lifestyle such as facebook, reality tv programmes and obsession at buying worthless garbage. As regards scientology, that is not a religion but a scam to extort money and shouldn't be allowed proceed.

Sonics2k

Quite a difference really.

Scientology is a known scam, which thoroughly relies on your ability to donate money to them, your car, house etc, in order to 'progress' through the religion.

In comparison, and while I'm no fan of Islam, Christianity, Judaism or any other religion, all they really ask is for you to believe their respective Holy books and follow their faith.

Is it recognized as a religion in Ireland?

I don’t believe so

Mutant z

These people are whackjobs i dont blame the locals for wanting to keep them out.

Odhinn

Sonics2k wrote: »

Quite a difference really.

Scientology is a known scam, which thoroughly relies on your ability to donate money to them, your car, house etc, in order to 'progress' through the religion.

In comparison, and while I'm no fan of Islam, Christianity, Judaism or any other religion, all they really ask is for you to believe their respective Holy books and follow their faith.

The above is my view also. It's a scam based on a cult, in the most cynical way possible. Leah Reminis series on the whole thing is well worth a watch.

falinn merking

CardinalJ wrote: »

It's a bunch of manipulated and vulnerable people giving their money away.

Yes but that's the point at least they are not harming any of the rest of us.



1. Scientologists believe there was a dictator of the Galactic Confederacy named Xenu?? Uh, SURE, Scientology...

2. Scientologists believe Xenu gathered billions of beings from across the universe, brought them to Earth, placed them around volcanoes, and killed them all with hydrogen bombs?? Pshhhh!

3. Scientology believes lost/twisted spirits, known as "body thetans", are responsible for all the negative feelings and emotions that exist within your life?! Um, WTF..

4. Scientology believes in a doctrine called "Fair Game", which justifies doing WHATEVER IS NECESSARY, including blackmail, harassment, and various other forms of punishment, to anyone who criticizes or is viewed as a "threat" to Scientology

5. Scientology forces members to isolate themselves from friends and family who do not follow the teachings of Scientology and OKAY this is literally just a cult nevermind

Odhinn

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it recognized as a religion in Ireland?

We don't recognise or really not recognise - its a bit vague. The Germans though, have a list, and have said that the scientologists are not getting on it.

Odhinn

Odhinn wrote: »

We don't recognise or really not recognise - its a bit vague. The Germans though, have a list, and have said that the scientologists are not getting on it.

Its safe to say it’s not recognized as a religion in Ireland

So I don’t see any hypocrisy as per the OP

falinn merking

Omackeral

gandalf wrote: »

No they are right Scientology is a cult and a scam. They are right to want it driven from their community. We already have enough problems trying to extract one cult from our society rather than letting an even bigger bunch of whackjobs free reign to get their claws into vulnerable people!

Which one are you on about there? The C one or the I one?

Omackeral

Sonics2k wrote: »

In comparison, and while I'm no fan of Islam, Christianity, Judaism or any other religion, all they really ask is for you to believe their respective Holy books and follow their faith.

And to shun gays.

Vladimir Poontang

Yeah we don't want that lot flying planes into buildings, bombing trains and buses and executing people attending concerts.

Wait...what dangerous shower of lunatics are we talking about again?

CardinalJ

Verpiss dich wrote: »

Yes but that's the point at least they are not harming any of the rest of us.

Ah if someone you cared about went off and pi$$ed their life down the drain trying to get to the next level of scientology you wouldn't say they weren't harming you.

JCX BXC

gandalf wrote: »

No they are right Scientology is a cult and a scam. They are right to want it driven from their community. We already have enough problems trying to extract one cult from our society rather than letting an even bigger bunch of whackjobs free reign to get their claws into vulnerable people!

Which is fair enough, but while we're ridding Christianity to an extent (Many issues, state run schools are almost exclusively catholic for example), we're importing hard core Islamic values, which is arguably worse! At least Scientologists don't go around killing eachother!

Now, I don't want these comments taken out of proportion, I have no problem with Muslims the people, however the ideologies and brainwashing that come with Scientology are already present today in other religions, shouldn't we attack the existing ones as well as preventing the new ones?

Guy:Incognito

one world order wrote: »

The promotion of a godless society, lacking in moral values and purpose in life are causing greater issues with declining birth rates, high depression rates and pressures to maintain a fake lifestyle such as facebook, reality tv programmes and obsession at buying worthless garbage. As regards scientology, that is not a religion but a scam to extort money and shouldn't be allowed proceed.

Yep. Much better to give all your money to the church so they can hoard it along with all their property , gold , art and other trinkets.


There's nothing in life you need any made up religion for ( that's all of them in case youre wondering) . You can be a good person, do good things and lead a good life without having to attribute it all to some fake bloke in the sky and drop money in a dish every Sunday. Charity work and community programs can be done just as well by any random group of people.

falinn merking

CardinalJ wrote: »

Ah if someone you cared about went off and pi$$ed their life down the drain trying to get to the next level of scientology you wouldn't say they weren't harming you.

Of course I would thats different.

An honest answer not what you were expecting.:D

judeboy101

Sonics2k wrote: »

Quite a difference really.

Scientology is a known scam, which thoroughly relies on your ability to donate money to them, your car, house etc, in order to 'progress' through the religion.

In comparison, and while I'm no fan of Islam, Christianity, Judaism or any other religion, all they really ask is for you to believe their respective Holy books and follow their faith.

Isn't one of the 5 pillars of Islam that you give money to the poor and to imans etc?

JCX BXC

judeboy101 wrote: »

Isn't one of the 5 pillars of Islam that you give money to the poor and to imans etc?

Ever seen a church collection? Most religions are simply money racketing. In my opinion it was the primary reason for their establishment!

Bubbaclaus

JCX BXC wrote: »

Ever seen a church collection? Most religions are simply money racketing. In my opinion it was the primary reason for their establishment!

I think I read somewhere before that the Catholic Chruch makes more money per year than Google and Apple combined?

piplip87

Verpiss dich wrote: »

Yes but that's the point at least they are not harming any of the rest of us.



1. Scientologists believe there was a dictator of the Galactic Confederacy named Xenu?? Uh, SURE, Scientology...

2. Scientologists believe Xenu gathered billions of beings from across the universe, brought them to Earth, placed them around volcanoes, and killed them all with hydrogen bombs?? Pshhhh!

3. Scientology believes lost/twisted spirits, known as "body thetans", are responsible for all the negative feelings and emotions that exist within your life?! Um, WTF..

4. Scientology believes in a doctrine called "Fair Game", which justifies doing WHATEVER IS NECESSARY, including blackmail, harassment, and various other forms of punishment, to anyone who criticizes or is viewed as a "threat" to Scientology

5. Scientology forces members to isolate themselves from friends and family who do not follow the teachings of Scientology and OKAY this is literally just a cult nevermind

1). Christianity believes that there is a director called God that created the universe.

2). Catholics believe this god caused plagues, floods as punishment.

3). Catholicism believes in demons, Satan and spirits, they even have an exorcists to removes these spirits.

4). The Catholic church used blackmail, threats of enternal damnation to keep sufferer's of sex abuse quiet.

5). The Catholic church forced unmarried mother's to give up their children and sold them to rich Americans.

I could go on.

Scientology is no worse than the Catholic Church

Ipso

Verpiss dich wrote: »

Yes but that's the point at least they are not harming any of the rest of us.



1. Scientologists believe there was a dictator of the Galactic Confederacy named Xenu?? Uh, SURE, Scientology...

2. Scientologists believe Xenu gathered billions of beings from across the universe, brought them to Earth, placed them around volcanoes, and killed them all with hydrogen bombs?? Pshhhh!

3. Scientology believes lost/twisted spirits, known as "body thetans", are responsible for all the negative feelings and emotions that exist within your life?! Um, WTF..

4. Scientology believes in a doctrine called "Fair Game", which justifies doing WHATEVER IS NECESSARY, including blackmail, harassment, and various other forms of punishment, to anyone who criticizes or is viewed as a "threat" to Scientology

5. Scientology forces members to isolate themselves from friends and family who do not follow the teachings of Scientology and OKAY this is literally just a cult nevermind

If you don't have an all powerful god who sent his son (who was really himself) to die to save us from his father (who was really him) and some other stuff with a giant boat and loads of animals then it's just nuts.

Ipso

piplip87 wrote: »

1). Christianity believes that there is a director called God that created the universe.

2). Catholics believe this god caused plagues, floods as punishment.

3). Catholicism believes in demons, Satan and spirits, they even have an exorcists to removes these spirits.

4). The Catholic church used blackmail, threats of enternal damnation to keep sufferer's of sex abuse quiet.

5). The Catholic church forced unmarried mother's to give up their children and sold them to rich Americans.

I could go on.

Scientology is no worse than the Catholic Church

Scientology is worse, it's like a pyramid scheme run by a psycho.

bnt

The planned drug clinic isn't officially part of Scientology, but to be run by an org called Narconon - though the aren't fooling anyone with that. Their methods are non-scientific and genuinely dangerous, involving vitamin overdoses to replace the drugs i.e. a form of "cold turkey" treatment.

Bubbaclaus

piplip87 wrote: »

1). Christianity believes that there is a director called God that created the universe.

2). Catholics believe this god caused plagues, floods as punishment.

3). Catholicism believes in demons, Satan and spirits, they even have an exorcists to removes these spirits.

4). The Catholic church used blackmail, threats of enternal damnation to keep sufferer's of sex abuse quiet.

5). The Catholic church forced unmarried mother's to give up their children and sold them to rich Americans.

I could go on.

Scientology is no worse than the Catholic Church

Catholics believe in a process called transubstantiation, and that they eat the actual flesh of Jesus Christ during mass. That's as mad as anything Scientology has got.

Berserker

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it recognized as a religion in Ireland?

I don’t believe so

Not yet but it will be in a few years. They are exceeding the goals they set in their recruitment drive and they've are building up their network around the country. They've linked in with some 'non-RCC' schools and community groups. One of the ladies in that protest is being subjected to some serious pressure from them, under their 'fair game' policy, at the moment. I always laugh out loud when posters her compare the CoS to the RCC or any other religious movement. Boy are they in for a shock if/when the CoS crosses their path. Would love to know if they have any new Sea Org members here yet.

falinn merking

Berserker wrote: »

Not yet but it will be in a few years. They are exceeding the goals they set in their recruitment drive and they've are building up their network around the country. They've linked in with some schools and community groups. One of the ladies in that protest is being subjected to some serious pressure from them, under their 'fair game' policy, at the moment. I always laugh out loud when posters her compare the CoS to the RCC or any other religious movement. Boy are they in for a shock if/when the CoS crosses their path.

Do elaborate how bad are they to deal with?

vicwatson

No difference in Scientology and Catholicism, both crazy crap

If we're ever going to have a society free from religion and cults, we have to start somewhere. Scientology is a perfectly reasonable place to start since it doesn't have any sympathetic following here. Yet. Block them now, and keep them out. Then we can look to the creepy faiths like Opus Deus.

Christianity will simply fade away on its own. It's no longer getting the followers to maintain the loss of priests to old age or breaking vows to get married, and the Catholic church has bound itself too much with past policies to be able to adapt. The other domestic faiths in Europe aren't much of an issue either.

Islam isn't settling as such in Europe. It's mostly being brought in by migration rather than gaining a domestic following. Islam and Muslims have enough sympathetic support to stay with the Asylum seekers who won't be denied entry. Nothing will be done there for years, so there's no point ranting about it.

So, let's start with crackpot cults and get rid of them now before we become like the US.

Berserker

Berserker wrote: »

Not yet but it will be in a few years. They are exceeding the goals they set in their recruitment drive and they've are building up their network around the country. They've linked in with some 'non-RCC' schools and community groups. One of the ladies in that protest is being subjected to some serious pressure from them, under their 'fair game' policy, at the moment. I always laugh out loud when posters her compare the CoS to the RCC or any other religious movement. Boy are they in for a shock if/when the CoS crosses their path. Would love to know if they have any new Sea Org members here yet.

This thread has now piqued my interest. Do continue

Discodog

If you want to stop being a Muslim - no problem.

If you want to stop being a Catholic - no problem.

If you want to stop being a Scientologist - good luck because you will need it.

Berserker

Verpiss dich wrote: »

Do elaborate how bad are they to deal with?

I could give you a brilliant example but it's very specific to my own family and I don't want to post it online. If you go onto youtube and google 'scientology firhouse' you'll see videos from some, one in particular, of the protesters in that article and it'll give you a very good idea of what they have to put up with.

Omackeral

Ipso wrote: »

Scientology is worse, it's like a pyramid scheme run by a psycho.

Catholic tripe is taught to our children in national schools from the get go. Scientology is very much on the fringes.

Omackeral

Discodog wrote: »

If you want to stop being a Muslim - no problem.

If you want to stop being a Catholic - no problem.

If you want to stop being a Scientologist - good luck because you will need it.

Not sure about that. Apostasy is kinda frowned upon. Severely so in some places.

piplip87

Discodog wrote: »

If you want to stop being a Muslim - no problem.

If you want to stop being a Catholic - no problem.

If you want to stop being a Scientologist - good luck because you will need it.

https://atheist.ie/campaigns/leaving-religion/ nope not so easy to leave the Catholic Church

Berserker

Omackeral wrote: »

Catholic tripe is taught to our children in national schools from the get go. Scientology is very much on the fringes.

Yes and if you don't want your child to partake in that "Catholic tripe", they sit down the back of the class and it's all good. Not the case with the CoS.

gandalf

JCX BXC wrote: »

Which is fair enough, but while we're ridding Christianity to an extent (Many issues, state run schools are almost exclusively catholic for example), we're importing hard core Islamic values, which is arguably worse! At least Scientologists don't go around killing eachother!

Wtf are you on about. I love how some here are twisting a community protesting against a dangerous cult to their hard on for going after Muslims.

Numerous people have died both in Scientologys care and in its so called Drug treatment programs.

Now, I don't want these comments taken out of proportion, I have no problem with Muslims the people, however the ideologies and brainwashing that come with Scientology are already present today in other religions, shouldn't we attack the existing ones as well as preventing the new ones?

That's sounds an awful like the phrase "I'm not a racist but....". I think its a logical step to stop a blatant cult in its tracks early before it embeds in tendrils into communities.

Omackeral

Berserker wrote: »

Yes and if you don't want your child to partake in that "Catholic tripe", they sit down the back of the class and it's all good. Not the case with the CoS.

It shouldn't be in schools at all. ''It's all good'' is easy to say but it's a bit crappy on the kid as they're made to feel like an outsider.

splinter65

Omackeral wrote: »

And to shun gays.

Where do you see the RCC in Ireland today “shunning” gays?
PM me which parish and if possible the name of the priest you witnessed either shunning gay people or instructing other to shun gay people and I’ll report it myself.

Ursus Horribilis

piplip87 wrote: »

https://atheist.ie/campaigns/leaving-religion/ nope not so easy to leave the Catholic Church

Have you ever watched documentaries such as Going Clear or Leah Remini's work? Because if you did, you will know that leaving the "Church" of Scientology isn't simply a matter of not going to mass any more or taking your name off a list. Many ex members of Scientology have been cut off from their own families. They're intimidated by Scientology's version of the Gestapo. Spied upon, verbally abused, blackmailed and mindf'ced basically. I'm no fan of the catholic church but this shower are a completely different ballgame.

Berserker

Omackeral wrote: »

It shouldn't be in schools at all. ''It's all good'' is easy to say but it's a bit crappy on the kid as they're made to feel like an outsider.

I was one of those children and it was never an issue for me. The other non-RCC members of my class felt the exact same. Read up on the cadet org to get an idea about the life and education of the children in Scientology.

splinter65

Omackeral wrote: »

It shouldn't be in schools at all. ''It's all good'' is easy to say but it's a bit crappy on the kid as they're made to feel like an outsider.

Once again if your child was made to feel like an outsider by a teacher, or the teacher encouraged the other children to make your child feel like an outsider for any reason then you need to make a complaint to the teacher first and if not satisfied then raise it to the principal.
As there are 10 non Christian children in our 2nd class of 26 then your child wouldn’t be an outsider in our school.

Omackeral

splinter65 wrote: »

Where do you see the RCC in Ireland today “shunning” gays?
PM me which parish and if possible the name of the priest you witnessed either shunning gay people or instructing other to shun gay people and I’ll report it myself.

well was talking more about their holy books in that post but I digress. Could you tell me of a priest in the RCC who'll marry my brother and his boyfriend and which parish it's in? If you can, I'd actually be genuinely happy to hear of it.

splinter65

piplip87 wrote: »

https://atheist.ie/campaigns/leaving-religion/ nope not so easy to leave the Catholic Church

Will the Catholic hierarchy come to your house and threaten you if you stop going to mass?
Will you get threatening phone calls from the parish priest in the middle of the night?

Neyite

We could have some Scientologist preachers and some bishops duel to the death like the fight scene in Anchorman.

Omackeral

splinter65 wrote: »

Once again if your child was made to feel like an outsider by a teacher, or the teacher encouraged the other children to make your child feel like an outsider for any reason then you need to make a complaint to the teacher first and if not satisfied then raise it to the principal.
As there are 10 non Christian children in our 2nd class of 26 then your child wouldn’t be an outsider in our school.

I'm speaking from personal experience from the 90's. Teachers wouldn't make you feel like an outsider but the whole not being included thing gets to kids at that age. There's a massive focus on Communion and Confirmation throughout the relevant school years too, which have nothing to do with education IMO. School and church should be separate entities.

gandalf

Omackeral wrote: »

I'm speaking from personal experience from the 90's. Teachers wouldn't make you feel like an outsider but the whole not being included thing gets to kids at that age. There's a massive focus on Communion and Confirmation throughout the relevant school years too, which have nothing to do with education IMO. School and church should be separate entities.

You are aware that there are choices now to send children to non religious schools and the number of these schools is rising every year.

I went to a secondary school whose ethos was different from my religion and I did not feel secluded. As far I could tell the others who were minorities didn't either. Not sure what this has to do with the Scientology cult and its faux medicine so called drug treatments.