Hyundai Kona EV pre orders open

Orebro

In South Korea!

https://pushevs.com/2018/01/17/hyundai-starts-pre-orders-kona-electric/

KCross

Interesting that that article says it will be in two variants.... 39,2(240km) or 64 kWh(390km)

Since Hyundai market the Ioniq on usable capacity that would suggest they actually have something like 44 and 68kWh batteries? Thats decent and given Hyundai's efficiency figures Im sure the 64kWh variant will be a cracking EV SUV!

And the price looks reasonable too. Lets hope that translates to here. Availability will, of course, be the big issue.


The 390km figure is on the Korean cycle which they claim is similar to EPA figures... anyone know if that's true?

Dglflyer

I have read elsewhere that the South Korean cycle is closer to epa , which is more real world, 390 km outstanding, Cork city to Donegal town on "one tank"
I cant wait. Talked to Hyundai Ireland yesterday they expect in in showrooms late April/ Early May time frame.

liamog

The Korean agency gave the Ioniq ratings of Compound: 191km (city center: 206km, expressway: 173km)

Which is pretty much spot on from my point of view.
The car should be revealed at Geneva, I'm planning on the Kona being a 191, I'll be surprised if they get them in for 182.

Dglflyer

Hyundai realised that they screwed up with the Ioniq and not ordering enough battery packs. I dont think they will make the same mistake again. Fingers crossed we get them here in Ireland in 2018. This is a ground breaking ev ( range , style .. )and its not even on anyones radar...

DrPhilG

Any guess on Irish price?

Dglflyer

This is from the Korean site

n South Korea, before incentives Hyundai Kona Electric will cost between 43 million and 48 million KRW (33.016 and 36.840 euros). The electric version will still be much more expensive than its gas counterpart, which in most European countries can be bought for less than 20.000 euros.

Dont be at yourself

Dglflyer wrote: »

This is from the Korean site

n South Korea, before incentives Hyundai Kona Electric will cost between 43 million and 48 million KRW (33.016 and 36.840 euros). The electric version will still be much more expensive than its gas counterpart, which in most European countries can be bought for less than 20.000 euros.

How much is the Ioniq EV in Korea, as a point of comparison?

Edit: Apparently 38 - 43m KRW, so the above euro prices shouldn't be too far off.

liamog

The PushEVs articles indicates they are charging 2,000,000 won more for Kona than the Ioniq (starts at 40,896,000)

That's about €1,500 more, I'd guess €31,500 for the smaller battery and €35,000 for the large one. (after incentives)

thierry14

The battery tech is the most interesting part

150kg lighter than Bolt pack for 64kWh

New ncm811 chemistry

Thats breakthrough stuff with that weight loss

Samsung SDI have been showing off new tech this week too

Tesla have competition finally

Dglflyer

Thats what I thought , 150kg thats a huge weight savings. There must have been some considerable battery advances recently . The Tesla roadster getting
200kwh ....

Shefwedfan

I got excited, then you knocked me down :-(

But I will get up again

Dglflyer

I cant believe what some are calling a "game changer" of a car is being kept under wraps so well . All will be revealed on Tuesday.

DrPhilG

After the deep disappointment that the 2018 Leaf has been for me, I'm trying not to get too optimistic on this one.

But if Hyundai deliver on this it could put a major dent in Nissan's plans. I still think Nissan will sell a ton of Leafs but on paper at least the Kona should prove a much better option.

150 mile/240km and 230 mile/370km ranges, reasonable prices, and CCS charging (soon) of 150kw?

Sorry if my math is cock eyed but that would mean adding potentially 90% i.e. 200mile/320km to the 60kwh car in about 20 minutes???

That would be phenomenal.

liamog

I think they're going to regret only planning 20,000 Kona EVs this year.

DrPhilG

liamog wrote: »

only planning 20,000 Kona EVs this year.

Oh ffs you're kidding?

Have they learned nothing? Bring out the Ioniq which wipes the floor with the 30kwh Leaf but make a balls of quantities allowing Nissan to regain momentum with the 40kwh.

Now they will bring out the Kona which will again wipe the floor with the 40kwh Leaf but they'll balls up the availability again and hand the title back to the 60kwh Leaf.

thierry14

DrPhilG wrote: »

liamog wrote: »

only planning 20,000 Kona EVs this year.

Oh ffs you're kidding?

Have they learned nothing? Bring out the Ioniq which wipes the floor with the 30kwh Leaf but make a balls of quantities allowing Nissan to regain momentum with the 40kwh.

Now they will bring out the Kona which will again wipe the floor with the 40kwh Leaf but they'll balls up the availability again and hand the title back to the 60kwh Leaf.

They have no intention of selling EV's, that has been obvious for a while
Ioniq is proof of that.
Nissan in fairness to them are the only big auto company with any bit of interest, rest don't want to know and will happily lose sales to them till they are dragged kicking and screaming into the EV world 
Tesla should be gods in here
I will happily give them my money for Model 3 LR, we should all be the same 
Can't wait.

jaxxx

Dglflyer wrote: »

This is from the Korean site

n South Korea, before incentives Hyundai Kona Electric will cost between 43 million and 48 million KRW (33.016 and 36.840 euros). The electric version will still be much more expensive than its gas counterpart, which in most European countries can be bought for less than 20.000 euros.

Jesus that's a steep price difference... Strongly considering Kona for my next car, but the EV price, goddamn. As much as I'd like my next one to be green, I'll have no choice but to opt for petrol at that price.

Shefwedfan

thierry14 wrote: »

They have no intention of selling EV's, that has been obvious for a while
Ioniq is proof of that.
Nissan in fairness to them are the only big auto company with any bit of interest, rest don't want to know and will happily lose sales to them till they are dragged kicking and screaming into the EV world
Tesla should be gods in here
I will happily give them my money for Model 3 LR, we should all be the same
Can't wait.

You say the same about every company, it is getting boring now. Blah Blah Blah nobody wants electric blah blah blah Tesla are great Blah Blah Blah

You will be sick of looking at your money by the time you get to even look at a Tesla 3, let alone buy it

Planning for 20,000 car as a start is good business. Especially in the crossover market places which is flooded with cheap versions(Yeti, Juke etc etc).

The Ioniq was a success but at the start the price was low, I think a few people on here got bargain. It was only after a few months the dealers knew it was a good thing and priced stayed at ticket price. But that was in Ireland, was it as huge a success outside? I dont know?

It is same with Kona, 36k v a Juke which is starting at 20k. They will be the first company to bring out a main stream Crossover. It could flop, the Irish market will like it but will the UK/Germany/US which are the real markets? nobody knows....

Makes perfect sense, also by telling everyone they are only making 20k then people wont sit around and buy them up quickly. I am sure they have a strategy in the back ground that if the 20k sell out quick they can ram up manufacturing, or I hope they do.

Shefwedfan

Based on the results they have seen Worldwide for the Ioniq I think it makes perfect sense why the low start with Kona

https://pushevs.com/2018/02/22/hyundai-ioniq-surpasses-100-000-units-sold-worldwide/

Hybrid outselling the full electric over 3:1

Maybe it is different in Irish market but we are bloody tiny.....

It's all about availability of battery cells, again. Some makers have them in suitable quantities due to long term plan (Tesla, Nissan), others don't.

Shefwedfan

samih wrote: »

It's all about availability of battery cells, again. Some makers have them in suitable quantities due to long term plan (Tesla, Nissan), others don't.

That issue is been over played.

If you look at the competition to Hyundai none of them have a Full electric cross over.

The Ioniq was developed to go after the Prius, a hybrid

The only alternative really to diesel/petrol is the hybrid range from Toyota in Rav etc

This could be disaster and HYundai would need to pull and convert to Hybrid, better to have 20k cars to sell at that stage instead of 100k car

thierry14

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You say the same about every company, it is getting boring now. Blah Blah Blah nobody wants electric blah blah blah Tesla are great Blah Blah Blah

You will be sick of looking at your money by the time you get to even look at a Tesla 3, let alone buy it

Planning for 20,000 car as a start is good business. Especially in the crossover market places which is flooded with cheap versions(Yeti, Juke etc etc).

The Ioniq was a success but at the start the price was low, I think a few people on here got bargain. It was only after a few months the dealers knew it was a good thing and priced stayed at ticket price. But that was in Ireland, was it as huge a success outside? I dont know?

It is same with Kona, 36k v a Juke which is starting at 20k. They will be the first company to bring out a main stream Crossover. It could flop, the Irish market will like it but will the UK/Germany/US which are the real markets? nobody knows....

Makes perfect sense, also by telling everyone they are only making 20k then people wont sit around and buy them up quickly. I am sure they have a strategy in the back ground that if the 20k sell out quick they can ram up manufacturing, or I hope they do.

[snip] Mod Note: civility please

Strange from a guy with a luxurious and exotic e-Golf

Demand is massive for EV’s

Backlog of nearly a year for Ioniq worldwide

Tesla model 3 with 500,000 pre orders, unprecedented in the car world

New Nissan Leaf sold out worldwide

Everyone selling Ev's cant meet demand, from GM, VW, all the way to Tesla worldwide

Hyundai group could sell 100's of thousands of Ev's if available

Price lol

They are expensive for large auto because they are not serious about EV’s, making 20k EV’s like Hyundai is not enough to get price down

Expensive battery outsourcing with a 20k order book to LG chem is a joke

They can't make enough batteries is bull too

If they put a tender out for 500k battery packs the likes of LG, CATL, Panasonic, Samsung would have plants up plenty quick to meet orders

They cant put up those plants because none of the big auto are serious.

They are all holding backs EV’s with exception of Tesla and arguably Nissan

That is obvious to all

Shefwedfan

thierry14 wrote: »

[snip] Mod Note: civility please

Strange from a guy with a luxurious and exotic e-Golf

Demand is massive for EV’s

Backlog of nearly a year for Ioniq worldwide

Tesla model 3 with 500,000 pre orders, unprecedented in the car world

New Nissan Leaf sold out worldwide

Everyone selling Ev's cant meet demand, from GM, VW, all the way to Tesla worldwide

Hyundai group could sell 100's of thousands of Ev's if available

Price lol

They are expensive for large auto because they are not serious about EV’s, making 20k EV’s like Hyundai is not enough to get price down

Expensive battery outsourcing with a 20k order book to LG chem is a joke

They can't make enough batteries is bull too

If they put a tender out for 500k battery packs the likes of LG, CATL, Panasonic, Samsung would have plants up plenty quick to meet orders

They cant put up those plants because none of the big auto are serious.

They are all holding backs EV’s with exception of Tesla and arguably Nissan

That is obvious to all

500,000 preorder is nothing if your losing 600million in a quarter

The Leaf is not sold out, I can walk in today and preorder

Everything you posted has nothing to back it up, based on Hyundai own sales numbers the hybrid out sold the electric

Your great at little digs about peoples car but won’t say what you drive yourself!

Shefwedfan

It’s a Hyundai thread as well, nothing to do with Tesla

Water John

If they have upgraded the battery tech by the amount suggested, that is a big leap. That's the positive I would be taking.
That will have real impact. Roll that out in other cars.
I'm a glass half full guy.

If Hyundai are only going to produce 20k a year of these too you bet the hybrid will sell more. The same with as with the Ioniq. I could walk in any dealer and drive out with a hybrid today. For EV I'd have to wait for months.

Nothing to do with what the customers want and all to do with what Hyundai can build (due to the lack of batteries).

liamog

Hyundai/Kia's target for 2018 is 100,000 EVs.

18,600 Konas
21,000 Niros

Ioniq started with a target of 1,200 a month which was upped to 1,800 a month likely using the planned battery order for the now missing 40kWh Ioniq.
Thier goal this year is to get to 4,000 month.

So that should like account for 45,000 of the 100,000 target. The rest will be Souls.

Renault-Nissan Alliance sold 120,000 last year, it seems to me like Hyundai/Kia are just as serious.

Dglflyer

Car makers are reluctant to sell all electric, once sold there is little or no money to be made on them with parts and service , but I think the writing is on the wall, If you are not making EVs you wont be making cars at all. The simplicity and overall cost of ownership make it clear to me , Driven 40000 km in 10 months , "fuel bill " some where in the 500 euro neighbourhood.

Tesla is losing money ,but I think making cars are a small part of the plan. Once they crack fully autonomous driving. Elon Musk is going to slap an app on top of every Tesla he sells and take on uber and waymo, so that he is making money on just about every mile a Tesla drives

liamog

Only Tesla lose money on EVs.

Nissan, Hyundai, BYD etc make money on them.

Dglflyer

Nissan and Hyundai are not building their own worldwide charging network or battery factory though..

liamog

Why would they, they're both auto makers.

Batteries are a commodity at this point, and it makes way more sense to purchase from the best available supplier.
A lesson that Nissan have just learnt and have sold their share of AESC.

Tesla's worldwide charging network is a land grab, really it's just a giant advertising system for Tesla Energy whilst grabbing premium spots for a future switch to standardised charging infrastructure.
Smart for them, not good for society as a whole.

Dglflyer

Dglflyer wrote: »

Nissan and Hyundai are not building their own worldwide charging network or battery factory though..

In fairness nissan has done both. They built 3 factories that manufacture cells and they also have publicly accessible CHAdeMO chargers at dealerships. They are also currently expanding the charger network to cover all the rest of the dealers where possible.

Dglflyer

i stand corrected.

Shefwedfan

any idea what time the Kona will actually be announced tomorrow?

irishgrover

Shefwedfan wrote: »

any idea what time the Kona will actually be announced tomorrow?

I saw somewhere that it was 10am CET

Dglflyer

ditto on the 10am CET

liamog

https://www.hyundai.news/eu/digital-premiere-new-hyundai-kona-electric/

thierry14

liamog wrote: »

https://www.hyundai.news/eu/digital-premiere-new-hyundai-kona-electric/

40kWh 18/19

60kWh 2020

Whats the bet

osheen

I've seen an orange 181 kona ev driving around North Dublin for the last week. Is this a press car ?

ewj1978

an orange kona maybe. Doubt its an EV.

osheen

ewj1978 wrote: »

an orange kona maybe. Doubt its an EV.

- Just checked pics of standard models. Exhaust is hidden behind rear bumpers.

goz83

38 minutes left. Good thing I don't have college til 10

slicedpanman

looks great... nice job on the front grille (learned from the ionic I think ) excited now but no dates mentioned for anything.
The video and a PDF brochure are available here

slicedpanman

64kWh version -> 470km WLTP with 150 kW motor, 0-100km/h 7.6 sec, effec 15.2
39kWh version -> 300km WLTP with 99 kW motor,  0-100km/h 9.3, effec 14.8
max speed: 167 km/h
only mention of charging is; 100 kW DC with 7.2 kW on board AC

Shefwedfan

I am not a huge fan of the grill.

Any mention of price or when delivery/pre order starts?

DrPhilG

The video says 80% charge in under an hour.

Surely with potentially 100kw DC charging that should be much quicker than "under an hour"?

slicedpanman

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Any mention of price or when delivery/pre order starts?

No mention of price or dates for pre-oders
found this in the docs on the site:

The charging port is located in the vehicle’s front next to the Hyundai logo.

I think the best place for the port, not on the rear side 
Other notes in the docs: boot capacity 332L incl storage for charging cable (373L without)

Shefwedfan

Any big youtube video launch?

slicedpanman

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Any big youtube video launch?

Video here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST56H1bYrAk

Shefwedfan

slicedpanman wrote: »

Video here

Sorry, yes I seen that one. Most cars have a big launch with press etc and you can ask questions

I guess they are waiting for Geneva car show....

Personally I would buy one.....for my wife:P