Hyundai Kona EV pre orders open

slicedpanman

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Personally I would buy one.....for my wife:P

 I'm impressed with it overall and may well get one for myself ... one small niggle is the small-ish boot (compared to what I have in the Prius) but I'd get over that

KCross

DrPhilG wrote: »

The video says 80% charge in under an hour.

Surely with potentially 100kw DC charging that should be much quicker than "under an hour"?

The text says:

Charge Time / Quick Charge (DC) (connected to 100 kW DC fast charger)
Approx. 54 min up to 80% state of charge

Clearly it can't do sustained 100kW charging.
That suggests it is averaging 57kW which is much the same as the IONIQ.

Shefwedfan

slicedpanman wrote: »

I'm impressed with it overall and may well get one for myself ... one small niggle is the small-ish boot (compared to what I have in the Prius) but I'd get over that

Not really the boot, getting 3 car seats into the back of it would be an issue

The marketing seems to focus on the lady instead of the gentleman.

positron

From here: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/hyundai-kona-electric-gets-292-mile-range-76sec-0-62mph-time

There’s additional storage space in the front of the car.

Sounds great, even if it's shopping / small bags. Perhaps charger cable can go there leaving boot free for normal use?

Dont be at yourself

My Ioniq PCP is up in June 2019, and if the long-range version is ready, I'll be upgrading!

munsterbear

Anyone think there could be a hybrid option in the future?

slicedpanman

positron wrote: »

From here: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/hyundai-kona-electric-gets-292-mile-range-76sec-0-62mph-time

There’s additional storage space in the front of the car.

Sounds great, even if it's shopping / small bags. Perhaps charger cable can go there leaving boot free for normal use?

I think that that article may have misunderstood a comment from the launch video... there was mention of extra space "up front" but I think, in the video, they meant under the center console between the front 2 seats.
If they had actually included a frunk by design and have the charge port also at the front of the car then it would be logical/sensible to put the charger cables in the frunk.... but it sounds like there is a specially designed compartment in the boot for the cables. doesn't seem to add up

Shefwedfan

munsterbear wrote: »

Anyone think there could be a hybrid option in the future?

You would guess that based on the hybrid sales of the Ioniq they will do something similar with the Kona.

They have the technology already in place and they seem to be targeting Toyota so it would go into direct competition with the C-HR.

The 470km(prob 400KM) range is perfect for Ireland but we are tiny. The big markets in UK/US/Europe that range is small.

thierry14

Nice

Finally a proper reasonably priced, one household EV to land here at last

450km/200bhp is all the car I need

Hyundai 5 year unlimited mileage warranty probably stands here too, they make good reliable cars

I will buy this over model 3 if its priced around 30-35k

Makes alot of financial sense tbh with Hyundais excellent warranty and the huge 64kWh battery pack meaning I don't need an Ice any more

Buy for 35k, keep for 5 years, sell for 10k or so ( might be worth even more)

5k a year running costs as fuel, tax etc is negligible

Impressed

Casati

thierry14 wrote: »

Nice

Finally a proper reasonably priced, one household EV to land here at last

450km/200bhp is all the car I need

Hyundai 5 year unlimited mileage warranty probably stands here too, they make good reliable cars

I will buy this over model 3 if its priced around 30-35k

Makes alot of financial sense tbh with Hyundais excellent warranty and the huge 64kWh battery pack meaning I don't need an Ice any more

Buy for 35k, keep for 5 years, sell for 10k or so ( might be worth even more)

5k a year running costs as fuel, tax etc is negligible

Impressed[/quote

V impressed. Give it couple of years and when 500km / 200bhp is the next norm then we will see mass adoption. I’d be concerned about buying anything without 400km min range now when family cars like this are coming soon

Shefwedfan

thierry14 wrote: »

Nice

Finally a proper reasonably priced, one household EV to land here at last

450km/200bhp is all the car I need

Hyundai 5 year unlimited mileage warranty probably stands here too, they make good reliable cars

I will buy this over model 3 if its priced around 30-35k

Makes alot of financial sense tbh with Hyundais excellent warranty and the huge 64kWh battery pack meaning I don't need an Ice any more

Buy for 35k, keep for 5 years, sell for 10k or so ( might be worth even more)

5k a year running costs as fuel, tax etc is negligible

Impressed

Finally we agree on something:P

positron

I would be keen on the 39.2 kWh version if it's under 30k - has to be, given Leaf 2 is priced in that region. Although still no confirmation when it will be available to buy etc.

thierry14

positron wrote: »

I would be keen on the 39.2 kWh version if it's under 30k - has to be, given Leaf 2 is priced in that region. Although still no confirmation when it will be available to buy etc.

I would hope the Ioniq gets that battery too

With its crazy efficiency, its a long range EV with that battery

Its due an upgrade announcement

It's about the time we are getting an EV crossover in the market. Will make a great vehicle for small families and DINKs and performance figures sound great. CCS charging will mean future proofing it too. As the 150ish PS LEAF can do 6.9 0-60 the 204 PS Kona will absolutely fly. Funny to think that this vehicle will have as much horsepower as 80's Sierra Cosworth for example. Those cars were just over 6 second cars 0-60 (although the top speed was much higher).

Knowing that this is Ireland the insurance companies will probably classify this as a hot hatch.

KCross

Leaf II
A: Overall length: 4,490MM
B: Wheelbase: 2,700MM
C: Overall width: 1,788MM
Overall height: 1,540MM
Shoulder room: ??
Boot: 435

New Micra
Overall length: 3,995 MM
Wheelbase: 2,525 MM
Overall width: 1,743 MM
Overall height: 1,452 MM
Shoulder: 1340mm
Boot: 300

Kona EV
Overall length: 4,180
Wheelbase: 2,600
Overall width: 1,800
Overall height: 1,570
Shoulder room: 1380
Boot (VDA): 332

VW Golf
Length: 4258
Wheelbase: 2620
Width: 1790
Height: 1492
Interior width: 1440
Boot (VDA measuring): 380


The Kona is shorter, less boot space and less room across the back seat than a Leaf and a Golf.

Its more like a slightly larger SUV Micra than a Leaf.

If that suits you, then potentially a great car, pending price and availability.

thierry14

samih wrote: »

It's about the time we are getting an EV crossover in the market. Will make a great vehicle for small families and DINKs and performance figures sound great. CCS charging will mean future proofing it too. As the 150ish PS LEAF can do 6.9 0-60 the 204 PS Kona will absolutely fly. Funny to think that this vehicle will have as much horsepower as 80's Sierra Cosworth for example. Those cars were just over 6 second cars 0-60 (although the top speed was much higher).

Knowing that this is Ireland the insurance companies will probably classify this as a hot hatch.

Thats what I love the most of about our electric future

That Kona will pull like a WRX on the open road

300lb/ft all the time, nice

rocky

Didn't realise how small the Kona is, was behind a Seat Ateca today and it looked very tall and narrow, the Kona is only 2cm wider.

Presume the petrol/diesel Kona has the same exterior and interior dimensions as the EV version? Might swing by a dealer to check out the size.

ethernet

rocky wrote: »

Didn't realise how small the Kona is, was behind a Seat Ateca today and it looked very tall and narrow, the Kona is only 2cm wider.

I came across this short preview video (in Dutch but you get the gist) of the EV. Not much room in the back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDBZOZuhTH8

Soarer

Nice looking car.

Interesting to see the battery reading 97% and the range being 486kms!

Ryath

rocky wrote: »

Didn't realise how small the Kona is, was behind a Seat Ateca today and it looked very tall and narrow, the Kona is only 2cm wider.

Presume the petrol/diesel Kona has the same exterior and interior dimensions as the EV version? Might swing by a dealer to check out the size.

That’s the arona you are comparing it to. Ateca is 4cm wider and 20cm longer it's in next class up. Higher powered version is definitely in the running for our first electric. Little smaller than I’d like but it will do 90% of the time and we’ll still have one bigger car when we need the space.

Soarer

Have people seen this one? Only published today apparently.

jodaw

Really not liking the "minority report" style marketing. Would turn me off in fact. Was under the impression this would be the first decent sized EV. Looks absolutely tiny to me. Back looks shocking for legroom and shoulder room.

I want to know:

Can you fit kids in back without breaking back?
Can you fit buggies, prams, shopping in boot? In fact even show the boot
Can you tow a caravan and how does it affect range?

Frankly looks a bit s**t to me

Would not swap for Berlingo Multispace

irishgrover

jodaw wrote:

Can you fit kids in back without breaking back? Can you fit buggies, prams, shopping in boot? In fact even show the boot Can you tow a caravan and how does it affect range?

You could always just go into a dealership and look at an ICE one to answer most of your questions.....
Regarding towing a caravan, I don't think ev's are really designed for your use type, but I'm not sure

Water John

If you looked at the last few pages, you'd have noticed its size being compared to the Micra and Golf. Just to give you an idea of the car. If it doesn't suit you, stick with your ICE and wait.

jodaw

I would imagine we are a long way off a true family sized EV, given that the current arms race with regards to range mean sloping rear ends and small boots.

I mean a nice seven seat MPV would be great but a proper MPV with 64kwh battery might only give 200 mile real range.

Looks like EV is a long way off for me. Although i think i would prefer the new leaf to this. Hate faux SUV's

lafors

Is no one else thinking this is a bad thing for all other EV owners in Ireland with the current amount of public chargers? Imagine arriving to the DC fast charger with one of those ahead of you? :eek:
Do we actually have any 100kW chargers around for that 54min charge they say?

Water John

Jodaw, the car you are looking for is not far away, but no EV will be towing a trailer.

JackieChan

lafors wrote: »

Is no one else thinking this is a bad thing for all other EV owners in Ireland with the current amount of public chargers? Imagine arriving to the DC fast charger with one of those ahead of you? :eek:
Do we actually have any 100kW chargers around for that 54min charge they say?

The Ionity chargers will have 350kw when they come here, although there are only a few sites in Ireland and are only in cities with none in between and it could be 2020 before they are online!

Shefwedfan

lafors wrote: »

Is no one else thinking this is a bad thing for all other EV owners in Ireland with the current amount of public chargers? Imagine arriving to the DC fast charger with one of those ahead of you? :eek:
Do we actually have any 100kW chargers around for that 54min charge they say?

Why would you need to stop at a charger?

If I can get around with 120km range and never have to use public system think of what I could do with 400km+

Shefwedfan

lafors wrote: »

Is no one else thinking this is a bad thing for all other EV owners in Ireland with the current amount of public chargers? Imagine arriving to the DC fast charger with one of those ahead of you?
Do we actually have any 100kW chargers around for that 54min charge they say?

Why would you need to stop at a charger?

If I can get around with 120km range and never have to use public system think of what I could do with 400km+

unkel

Wondering how big this really is in the back compared to Ioniq. If it is significantly smaller, then it's out for me with 3 growing up kids who'll be 10, 12 and 14 before this car is available here. Ioniq can seat 5 bigger than average adults relatively comfortably as I recently tested myself in an airport run with friends / family.

And we also got a dog now, which means Tesla Model 3 is out, as it is only a sedan, with just a boot, no hatchback, isn't it?

Water John

FCPs are needed for those who have no access to a home charging point. Also those on long commutes will need top ups.

goz83

Water John wrote: »

Jodaw, the car you are looking for is not far away, but no EV will be towing a trailer.

Tesla tows trailers

Dglflyer

You can damn near drive the length of Ireland on a single charge.  You dont have to "fill" your car every time you get to a public charging station .  The car is definitely on the "snug" side.  But for Ireland I think it would be perfect.

Shefwedfan

jodaw wrote: »

I would imagine we are a long way off a true family sized EV, given that the current arms race with regards to range mean sloping rear ends and small boots.

I mean a nice seven seat MPV would be great but a proper MPV with 64kwh battery might only give 200 mile real range.

Looks like EV is a long way off for me. Although i think i would prefer the new leaf to this. Hate faux SUV's

It's a compact crossover, I don't think I seen any mention of SUV?

Irish people refer to these as SUV but they are not. The majority are crossover(qashqai, ix35, Tucson, sportage, etc) and then they came out with compact crossover(kona, c-hr, juke etc). They are popular with loads of people, especially in cities, the c-hr has been huge success for Toyota

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

Wondering how big this really is in the back compared to Ioniq. If it is significantly smaller, then it's out for me with 3 growing up kids who'll be 10, 12 and 14 before this car is available here. Ioniq can seat 5 bigger than average adults relatively comfortably as I recently tested myself in an airport run with friends / family.

And we also got a dog now, which means Tesla Model 3 is out, as it is only a sedan, with just a boot, no hatchback, isn't it?

It will be too small, yeah it's a 4 person vehicle. It is not made for large family

My wife wanted to buy Juke before babies arrived. We mentioned about buggy etc, salesman just pointed over at Qashqai...

unkel

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It's a compact crossover

What size is Kona? I have not been inside a Juke, so can't compare. Is it similar to Renault Captur? If it is, I'm out. We had one as a rental car and the 3 kids fitted in the back alright but it was tight. Would not be big enough for longer journeys and with the kids growing

Casati

jodaw wrote: »

I would imagine we are a long way off a true family sized EV, given that the current arms race with regards to range mean sloping rear ends and small boots.

I mean a nice seven seat MPV would be great but a proper MPV with 64kwh battery might only give 200 mile real range.

Looks like EV is a long way off for me. Although i think i would prefer the new leaf to this. Hate faux SUV's

I wouldn’t be so sure, in fairness how economical are the current crop of diesel compact crossovers versus the diesel large family cars - maybe 10% better at best? Large 7 seaters like Galaxy’s are probably 20% less efficient than a Focus? If that relative delta plays out then it should be easy to see larger cars with the same range by having a slightly larger battery surely

They are clearly introducing these large battery’s into cars they feel will sell in numbers ASAP and where buyers will pay a premium. As such it makes sense to initially launch compact crossovers with premium prices, but you can be sure that once they are selling then the larger cross-overs and family cars will come to the market quickly.

Personally the cars size and space would have to meet my requirements before I’d look at the drivetrain, what’s the point of suffering with a tiny boot or limited space if you play golf / mtb’s or have 3 teenagers etc.

These Kona’s are aimed to fit a segment in the market so may not fit everybodies requirements but it looking obvious that car makers are taking EV seriously so I’d expect to see an ev with decent range that fits your space if not your wallet in the next two or three years.

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

What size is Kona? I have not been inside a Juke, so can't compare. Is it similar to Renault Captur? If it is, I'm out. We had one as a rental car and the 3 kids fitted in the back alright but it was tight. Would not be big enough for longer journeys and with the kids growing

Captur, Juke, C-HR all in same range

If I compare sizes, the Kona is a bit bigger than Captur but smaller than C-HR

My friend has hybrid C-HR, she brought our 2 kids in back and that was back full more or less

To be fair it seems to be wider than Golf so it might be option

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It will be too small, yeah it's a 4 person vehicle. It is not made for large family

My wife wanted to buy Juke before babies arrived. We mentioned about buggy etc, salesman just pointed over at Qashqai...

unkel wrote: »

What size is Kona? I have not been inside a Juke, so can't compare. Is it similar to Renault Captur? If it is, I'm out. We had one as a rental car and the 3 kids fitted in the back alright but it was tight. Would not be big enough for longer journeys and with the kids growing

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Captur, Juke, C-HR all in same range

If I compare sizes, the Kona is a bit bigger than Captur but smaller than C-HR

My friend has hybrid C-HR, she brought our 2 kids in back and that was back full more or less

To be fair it seems to be wider than Golf so it might be option

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106276031&postcount=66

liamog

I'm pretty happy with new Kona.
Looks like a great car for DINKs (Dual Income No Kids) room for the dog in the back too.

I was reading PushEVs, thoughts that the NCM811 is more thermally sensitive than the NCM622 in the Ioniq. This is like why the charge rate is around 1.5C instead of the 2.5C the Ioniq achieves.

ei9go

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Captur, Juke, C-HR all in same range

If I compare sizes, the Kona is a bit bigger than Captur but smaller than C-HR

My friend has hybrid C-HR, she brought our 2 kids in back and that was back full more or less

To be fair it seems to be wider than Golf so it might be option

The boot in the Kona is the same as the Captur's at first glance.

However as soon as you remove the boot shelf in the Captur you have way more room and you don't have the clever handle to move the backs seats forward like the Captur has.

Shefwedfan

The more I look at this the more I like it.

Boot space is not an issue, I have eGolf for a year and the boot has carried the dog box a few times and rest of the time it has the tyre change kit and granny cable in it.

If the interior seats are similar size to eGolf then I have the additional height.

If I could get one this year I might buy, even long term the Misses loves the look of it so she could take it and I swap the Galaxy to a larger Electric when it becomes available

The red & black colours look nice

If I could get out of house I would go to Hyundai dealer to have a look :-)

fricatus

Don't know if this has been posted here yet:

https://www.completecar.ie/car-news/article/8007/Hyundai-Kona-Electric-full-details-pictures-and-specs

Shefwedfan

So the 39kW does 300km and the 64kW does 470km based on the new WLTP test

But the question is how do you compare this to car that had numbers based on NEDC?

Or can you do that?

irishgrover

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So the 39kW does 300km and the 64kW does 470km based on the new WLTP test

But the question is how do you compare this to car that had numbers based on NEDC?

Or can you do that?

according to this article (https://pushevs.com/2016/10/13/wltp-electric-cars/) there is evidence that the WLTP will be similar to the EPA range...

So if EPA range for Ioniq is 124miles (200km)
And the NEDC range is 280km

Then using some very dodgy basic maths you could assume
1) NEDC reports about 40% over EPA
2.) EPA is pretty accurate to mixed driving reality
3.) WLTP will be similar to EPA

So if you assume 1,2 and 3 above are correct(ish) then you can guesstimate that the NEDC figures would have been around...

420km for the 39kW and
658km for the 64kW

(Yes I know there are a significant amount of assumptions in my calculations)
(Also, I'm numerically borderline literate so please check my figures, calculations and assumptions)

positron

Strange video from Hyundai - was that woman pretending to be a robot, or was it completely AI generated? Strange in any case.

I have seen petrol Kona next to an Ioniq. Ioniq's boot is slightly larger and oveall more flexible. Kona is small but it is a 'compact crossover' afterall. It's a strictly 2+2 car, it would be hard to fit an adult between two high-back booster seats in the back, but should be fit a child in a narrow booster seat. It doesn't matter though, wife seems to love it - the higher up position, the colours etc. She wasn't keen on Ioniq (for the exact same reasons).

Dutch video suggested 35k... wouldn't pay 75% premium over petrol version just because it's ev. 25% is fine, 40% is pushing it, 50% is where I draw the line...

thelikelylad

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So the 39kW does 300km and the 64kW does 470km based on the new WLTP test

But the question is how do you compare this to car that had numbers based on NEDC?

Or can you do that?

WLTP figures are closer to EPA figures.

Eg. Nissan Leaf 2018

EPA: 243km
WLTP: 285km
NEDC: 378km

liamog

positron wrote: »

Dutch video suggested 35k... wouldn't pay 75% premium over petrol version just because it's ev. 25% is fine, 40% is pushing it, 50% is where I draw the line...

You also have to look at the kit that comes with the car, the EV specs are closer to the Kona Premium which is 26k. You're looking at 9k over the petrol version.

unkel

Dunno if WLTP is such a great test either for EVs.



It takes 30 minutes and only 1 minute is driven at or over 120km/h. It's mostly city traffic where all EVs are great and nobody needs the range

We need the range at speed! A range test at a constant 120km/h would be far more useful for most people in the civilized world who use mostly motorways for long distance driving.