Hyundai Kona EV pre orders open

DrPhilG · 06-10-2018 7:24pm

BigAl81 wrote: »

Has that been 100% confirmed? Have my eye on the north and fear they might do the same ;(

Ireland are only getting one trim level, it's basically the UK mid spec plus leather seats.

eagerv · 06-10-2018 8:01pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Ireland are only getting one trim level, it's basically the UK mid spec plus leather seats.

But also possibly missing Adaptive cruise, Lane follow assist, Sat Nav (Only smaller 7" screen) and descent sound system.

All standard on the UK mid spec.

Still awaiting Hyundai Ireland to confirm spec..

Silent Running · 07-10-2018 8:09am

eagerv wrote: »

But also possibly missing Adaptive cruise, Lane follow assist, Sat Nav (Only smaller 7" screen) and descent sound system.

All standard on the UK mid spec.

Still awaiting Hyundai Ireland to confirm spec..

The Lane Keep Assist System is included, at least on the one Hyundai Ireland has. But headlights are halogen. :mad:

Shefwedfan · 07-10-2018 8:19am

Silent Running wrote: »

The Lane Keep Assist System is included, at least on the one Hyundai Ireland has. But headlights are halogen. :mad:

Can you test drive one yet?

ELM327 · 07-10-2018 8:23am

Silent Running wrote: »

The Lane Keep Assist System is included, at least on the one Hyundai Ireland has. But headlights are halogen. :mad:

Yes but LKAS can be off, basic, or active on the Ioniq. Only the top setting is actually a lane keeping system that works with hands off.

It would be pretty silly to not offer at least the same LKAS that the Ioniq has, in the kona

Silent Running · 07-10-2018 8:32am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Can you test drive one yet?

No, and it might not be what we're used to as test driving goes. Hyundai have said that there will be no demo cars at dealers. Probably just one or two cars that can be booked by dealers for test drive days. Dealers that I have spoken to are furious, with one even saying that he's having nothing to do with the Kona EV.

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes but LKAS can be off, basic, or active on the Ioniq. Only the top setting is actually a lane keeping system that works with hands off.

It would be pretty silly to not offer at least the same LKAS that the Ioniq has, in the kona

The LKAS seems to be the same as Ioniq, but the adaptive cruise is definitely not on the test car they have, just standard cruise.

eagerv · 07-10-2018 10:28am

Silent Running wrote: »

The Lane Keep Assist System is included, at least on the one Hyundai Ireland has. But headlights are halogen. :mad:

Yes they say that Lane Keep Assist is included here, but not Lane Follow Assist.

Most markets are including both.

eagerv · 07-10-2018 11:07am

Our spec looks more like the basic UK model + Leather.

Also looks as though we are missing All round parking sensors, Blind spot detection and Rear cross traffic alert.

dionsiseire · 09-10-2018 3:47pm

https://twitter.com/dionsis/status/1049445485919068160

Plan to offer future higher and lower specs. Le Sigh

dionsiseire · 09-10-2018 3:47pm

https://twitter.com/dionsis/status/1049445485919068160

Plan to offer future higher and lower specs. Le Sigh

Silent Running · 09-10-2018 3:54pm

dionsiseire wrote: »

https://twitter.com/dionsis/status/1049445485919068160

Plan to offer future higher and lower specs. Le Sigh

Maybe they're starting to realise they fucked up on this one.

zg3409 · 09-10-2018 3:58pm

Silent Running wrote: »

dionsiseire wrote: »

https://twitter.com/dionsis/status/1049445485919068160

Plan to offer future higher and lower specs. Le Sigh

Maybe they're starting to realise they fucked up on this one.

No it is a polite way of saying no, without saying no. "Maybe some day" would be a rephrase of what they replied

gar · 12-10-2018 8:56am

In the wild at the red cow

denismc · 12-10-2018 10:28am

gar wrote: »

In the wild at the red cow

God, they really are small! ...............or is just far away!:D

Shefwedfan · 12-10-2018 10:42am

denismc wrote: »

God, they really are small! ...............or is just far away!:D

They are small :P

Silent Running · 12-10-2018 2:31pm

gar wrote: »

In the wild at the red cow

That looks like the one Hyundai are "range testing".

unkel · 12-10-2018 4:17pm

No need for range testing, you Hyundai Ireland fools. Just bring the cars into the showrooms and let people start ordering them already!

Silent Running · 12-10-2018 4:24pm

unkel wrote: »

No need for range testing, you Hyundai Ireland fools. Just bring the cars into the showrooms and let people start ordering them already!

I agree, but if I'm honest, I wouldn't rush out to buy one. I think Hyundai are treating their customers very badly. They strip the car almost bare and expect people to pony up top money for it? Who do they think they are, Apple? :mad:

KCross · 12-10-2018 4:33pm

Silent Running wrote: »

They strip the car almost bare and expect people to pony up top money for it?

Do you think it wont sell?
My bet is there will be a long waiting list, so why wouldnt they do what they have done? Maximise profit. They would be fools not to.

It might come back to haunt them if any decent competition arrives, but thats not on the horizon either.... its ~2yrs out before we see anything in large quantity, and thats just guessing, as none of the manufacturers have confirmed so it could even be longer.

Silent Running · 12-10-2018 5:56pm

KCross wrote: »

Do you think it wont sell?
My bet is there will be a long waiting list, so why wouldnt they do what they have done? Maximise profit. They would be fools not to.

It might come back to haunt them if any decent competition arrives, but thats not on the horizon either.... its ~2yrs out before we see anything in large quantity, and thats just guessing, as none of the manufacturers have confirmed so it could even be longer.

No, I think it will sell in large numbers, if they are available. To quote the man from Hyundai: "if we only sold them painted pink with yellow spots (Mr Blobby anyone?) we'd sell our whole allocation". Now, while that's hilarious (:rolleyes:), it shows a complete distain for what their customers actually want.

It reminds me of a joke about the P&T back in the 70s "we have the phones, your challenge is to get them out of us". This is also fucking hilarious, but to be compared to a dysfunctional 70s business should make Hyundai Ireland thoroughly ashamed. They could have made the Kona a flagship EV, but they've made it feel a bit shabby with the Paddy spec.

I know I'm only one prospect, but I was a fairly easy sell for them. Now I can't see myself buying one.

This effort from Hyundai Ireland might just be their #specgate. If VW do get their act together, I can see Hyundai being left high and dry.

unkel · 12-10-2018 9:18pm

Dude, it's nothing to do with Hyundai Ireland

They would take every single EV that Korea would let them have!

Old diesel · 12-10-2018 9:25pm

unkel wrote: »

Dude, it's nothing to do with Hyundai Ireland

They would take every single EV that Korea would let them have!

Is it not Hyundai Ireland that decides the spec????

unkel · 12-10-2018 9:33pm

Hyundai Ireland is a business. And the only or at least the main aim for every business is to maximise profits. I guess Hyundai Ireland expect to maximise their profits by selling the cars at full list price in a spec that leaves a lot to be desired!

If they got a bigger allocation from Korea, and a bigger domestic market to sell the cars into (i.e. like the UK) they might have given more choices in spec

Water John · 12-10-2018 9:34pm

Unkel, you're always a positive voice.

unkel · 12-10-2018 10:00pm

Dunno about that

Petetheroadie · 13-10-2018 7:53am

Sorry I haven't been following this thread too closely. Is there a comparison between Irish and UK spec that I've missed?

Silent Running · 13-10-2018 8:51am

unkel wrote: »

Dude, it's nothing to do with Hyundai Ireland

They would take every single EV that Korea would let them have!

It has everything to do with Hyundai Ireland.

I know that their business model would be to get every cent out of their customers that they can. However, I think they have lost sight of the long game.

As Old Diesel pointed out: Hyundai Ireland choose the spec that they will allow us to have. That's not a customer focused approach to business. They should listen to their customers, hoping to retain them as Hyundai purchasers. I find their Kona choice of spec as a cynical money grab that will turn some of their current customers off the brand, and drive them to competitors. Fine in the short term, while they have a product with more demand than supply, and have, along with Nissan, cornered the market. But the memories they are installing in the minds of the customer are not pleasant ones. When there is much more choice in the market, the buyers will remember this as a black mark against Hyundai - they might not remember exactly exactly why, just a bad taste in the mouth - and they will go with another brand.

I've had many, many brands in my long motoring history, and there are a few marques' doors I would never darken again: Mitsubishi, Ford, and BMW. I know these brands might have improved their service since they wronged me, but the smell remains. Hyundai (Ireland) might just join that list.

I guess I just don't like to be treated as a second class world citizen. It's the rebel in me.

Old diesel · 13-10-2018 9:27am

Silent Running wrote: »

It has everything to do with Hyundai Ireland.

I know that their business model would be to get every cent out of their customers that they can. However, I think they have lost sight of the long game.

As Old Diesel pointed out: Hyundai Ireland choose the spec that they will allow us to have. That's not a customer focused approach to business. They should listen to their customers, hoping to retain them as Hyundai purchasers. I find their Kona choice of spec as a cynical money grab that will turn some of their current customers off the brand, and drive them to competitors. Fine in the short term, while they have a product with more demand than supply, and have, along with Nissan, cornered the market. But the memories they are installing in the minds of the customer are not pleasant ones. When there is much more choice in the market, the buyers will remember this as a black mark against Hyundai - they might not remember exactly exactly why, just a bad taste in the mouth - and they will go with another brand.

I've had many, many brands in my long motoring history, and there are a few marques' doors I would never darken again: Mitsubishi, Ford, and BMW. I know these brands might have improved their service since they wronged me, but the smell remains. Hyundai (Ireland) might just join that list.

I guess I just don't like to be treated as a second class world citizen. It's the rebel in me.

I would still like one for the what you can do in a round trip from home (100 percent charge) and back again without charging ability.

Reliance on charging infrastructure is reduced considerably.

But knowing what a UK car has that your Irish one doesn't have is a blow and takes some of the goodness out of it.

If VW group deliver an equivalent car with their factory order set ups then #$&* Hyundai.

VW group have got the right idea on speccing a car. You can buy an ultra basic Golf if you want - or you can pay more and have a nicer spec one.

Silent Running · 13-10-2018 9:43am

Old diesel wrote: »

I would still like one for the what you can do in a round trip from home (100 percent charge) and back again without charging ability.

Reliance on charging infrastructure is reduced considerably.

But knowing what a UK car has that your Irish one doesn't have is a blow and takes some of the goodness out of it.

If VW group deliver an equivalent car with their factory order set ups then #$&* Hyundai.

VW group have got the right idea on speccing a car. You can buy an ultra basic Golf if you want - or you can pay more and have a nicer spec one.

That's the bit that bugs me most. If the opportunity presents itself, I might bring a high spec demo in from the UK. I don't want to spend my money in the UK though. I want it to circulate in the Irish economy!

I agree: fuck you very much Hyundai Ireland. :mad:

Water John · 13-10-2018 9:47am

IWT the % of a new car price, other than Govn't take, going into the Irish economy is quite small. The sales of cars must be a fair dent in the balance of payments.
The Govn't will take their cut whether you buy here or in the UK.

Casati · 13-10-2018 10:13am

Old diesel wrote: »

I would still like one for the what you can do in a round trip from home (100 percent charge) and back again without charging ability.

Reliance on charging infrastructure is reduced considerably.

But knowing what a UK car has that your Irish one doesn't have is a blow and takes some of the goodness out of it.

If VW group deliver an equivalent car with their factory order set ups then #$&* Hyundai.

VW group have got the right idea on speccing a car. You can buy an ultra basic Golf if you want - or you can pay more and have a nicer spec one.

Except that with the e Golf the options are also v limited, you can’t even get an alloy bigger than a 16in, like what’s that about?

I’m guessing that they wanted to keep the Kona as cheap as possible and threw leather in it to differentiate it was the low spec. Long term they want this car to appeal to joe blogs, not early adopters with 50k to spend on a city car

Silent Running · 13-10-2018 10:15am

Water John wrote: »

IWT the % of a new car price, other than Govn't take, going into the Irish economy is quite small. The sales of cars must be a fair dent in the balance of payments.
The Govn't will take their cut whether you buy here or in the UK.

The government forego a good chunk of their take on the VRT rebate. I'm not sure where you're going with the balance of payments stuff. Should we avoid all importation of goods? Maybe Ireland should produce the cars the population needs. I dunno.

Hyundai Ireland aren't a two man business, operating out of a shed. Their profit must be huge. That "quite small" profit on each car must be enough to run a high value company.

Besides all that, even if it was only a fiver, I'd prefer it to remain in Ireland.

Silent Running · 13-10-2018 10:18am

Casati wrote: »

Except that with the e Golf the options are also v limited, you can’t even get an alloy bigger than a 16in, like what’s that about?

I’m guessing that they wanted to keep the Kona as cheap as possible and threw leather in it to differentiate it was the low spec. Long term they want this car to appeal to joe blogs, not early adopters with 50k to spend on a city car

It's about drivetrain efficiency.

Shefwedfan · 13-10-2018 11:26am

Casati wrote: »

Except that with the e Golf the options are also v limited, you can’t even get an alloy bigger than a 16in, like what’s that about?

I’m guessing that they wanted to keep the Kona as cheap as possible and threw leather in it to differentiate it was the low spec. Long term they want this car to appeal to joe blogs, not early adopters with 50k to spend on a city car

You can get bigger, and loads of people have put on bigger. Also changed the alloys to different types from the cheese slicer

But and its a big but, changing the size of tyre and the alloy will affect performance which of course automatically affects range. So the recommendation from VW is to keep 16" tyre and the cheese slicer alloy to get the maximum range from the car

liamog · 14-10-2018 11:08pm

unkel wrote: »

Dude, it's nothing to do with Hyundai Ireland

They would take every single EV that Korea would let them have!

If you look at the Norwegian market, which had a similar we'll sell all of our allocation issue, they went for a very well specced single choice with leather and sunroof as a choice.

Old diesel · 14-10-2018 11:45pm

Casati wrote: »

Except that with the e Golf the options are also v limited, you can’t even get an alloy bigger than a 16in, like what’s that about?

I’m guessing that they wanted to keep the Kona as cheap as possible and threw leather in it to differentiate it was the low spec. Long term they want this car to appeal to joe blogs, not early adopters with 50k to spend on a city car

I'm thinking future VW EVs as by equivalent I meant a similar battery pack size to Kona.

And the wider VAG approach they normally have to specing ICE cars like a Passat or Superb.

They usually have trim options like Style and L & K on a Superb and you have the option to add options in a way Hyundai havent done with Kona.

I imagine the Neo will lend itself well to "personalisation" options

Water John · 14-10-2018 11:50pm

When can they be expected to be available?

Shefwedfan · 15-10-2018 5:26pm

Water John wrote: »

When can they be expected to be available?

If you are talking about the VW Neo, have a look at the thread on this forum

If you are talking about the Kona, try your local dealer now for timelines on when they will get a demo

Some demo's already out in wild in Ireland

BigAl81 · 16-10-2018 6:36pm

No idea if it's an indication of anything but I just saw a Kona EV out in the wild on the road in Blanchardstown on green licence plates.

Presumably a dealer out on a spin!

Silent Running · 16-10-2018 6:41pm

BigAl81 wrote: »

No idea if it's an indication of anything but I just saw a Kona EV out in the wild on the road in Blanchardstown on green licence plates.

Presumably a dealer out on a spin!

If it's a white one, it's probably the one Hyundai are spinning around in. They've been dicking around in that one since around the 6th of September. The numbers on the trade plate are 475 D 18.

BigAl81 · 16-10-2018 10:43pm

Silent Running wrote:

If it's a white one, it's probably the one Hyundai are spinning around in. They've been dicking around in that one since around the 6th of September. The numbers on the trade plate are 475 D 18.

Yes, it was a white one, I nearly crashed rubber necking as it went by in the other direction.

The front grill really stands out in white, so perhaps look at a darker color if you wanted to hide that at all.

Silent Running · 19-10-2018 2:48pm

Dealer confirms the crap spec of the Kona EV. Pretty poor show for a €37k Hyundai.

They will be getting demo cars.

daheff · 19-10-2018 5:37pm

Just got a mail off Hyundai. Anybody else?

The all-new KONA EV by Hyundai is now available to order at Hyundai dealerships nationwide!
Hyundai Ireland are delighted to announce that we have secured sufficient KONA EV allocation for 2019 to allow us to retail the KONA EV through our dealer network.
As you have registered your interest for KONA Electric on our national website we think it is important to share this good news with you today.
Please contact your local Hyundai dealer for more information on how to order your new 191 KONA Electric for January.

gizmo555 · 19-10-2018 5:56pm

daheff wrote: »

Just got a mail off Hyundai. Anybody else?

Yep, me too.

DrPhilG · 19-10-2018 6:00pm

Yup.

If I was near a printer I would print off the email just so I could wipe my ass with it.

Silent Running · 19-10-2018 6:06pm

In all honesty, if they had just left the adaptive cruise on it, I'd probably still have bought one. I could upgrade the halogens to LED, and the HUD wouldn't bother me too much.

The colour choice is poor though. I think it would look crackin' in the dark metallic blue of the Niro, or even the Ioniq blue.

redlead · 19-10-2018 8:14pm

Silent Running wrote: »

Dealer confirms the crap spec of the Kona EV. Pretty poor show for a €37k Hyundai.

They will be getting demo cars.

The price is crazy. Its an 11k premium over the top of the range diesel. You'd want to be mad to buy one.

Shefwedfan · 19-10-2018 8:20pm

SO what does it actually have?

Standard cruise control?
7" display?
Lane keep assist?
Apple play/androidn play?
Front heated seats?
Parking sensor
Rear view parking camera

That it?

JohnnyJohnJohns · 19-10-2018 8:21pm

Ya, a petrol version went past me today and I was surprised how small it was. Can't imagine many people forking over 40k for a small Hyundai

BigAl81 · 19-10-2018 8:33pm

JohnnyJohnJohns wrote:

Can't imagine many people forking over 40k for a small Hyundai

I suspect it's the 64kWh battery and "500km" range they'd be forking over for more so!

Not much else in that price range that can do that, so a lack of options rather than a choice perhaps.

Hyundai Kona EV pre orders open

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