Hyundai Kona EV pre orders open

Dglflyer

I think you have to take into consideration the overall cost of ownership and how much you drive.  If you drive a lot, 30k+ km per year owning electric is the better option.  Once you buy it running and maintenance are a fraction of an ICE car.  Case in point having driven 40000 km in 10 months I have saved myself about 4200 euro on petrol/diesel and probably another couple of hundred on maintenance,  so I am up 4500 on the year and if I do the same next year I am up the guts of 10000 euro so electric makes a lot of sense.  If you are only doing 10 - 15000 km per year then it is harder to justify.  But The reason we didnt have EVs until Tesla came along is that automakers dont want to give up that after market servicing , it is too lucrative.

Water John

Not lucrative for the automakers but it's the regular, milking cow, for the dealership network. Thus the dealers don't need to be given as much of a cut on an ICE sale, IWT.

unkel

Dglflyer wrote: »

I think you have to take into consideration the overall cost of ownership and how much you drive.  If you drive a lot, 30k+ km per year owning electric is the better option. 

I drove a worthless banger with zero depreciation doing about 10k km per year. I scrapped it and bought a brand new EV. I now do closer to 20k km per year. My total cost of ownership including the depreciation on a brand new car is now lower doing almost twice the distance...

The very generous €10k subsidy, the free public (or very cheap night rate home) electricity, the lowest motor tax, tolls soon to be free, almost zero maintenance, lower insurance, free install of your home charger, zero or even negative depreciation, and I haven't even started to talk about the pleasure and ease of driving an EV.

And as you say, the more you drive, the more you save with EVs

Why not more people have copped onto this is hard to understand. Maybe EV owners don't go to pubs much and brag to other people

liamog

unkel wrote: »

Why not more people have copped onto this is hard to understand. Maybe EV owners don't go to pubs much and brag to other people

We're all on the road doing cheap mileage.

Casati

unkel wrote: »

I drove a worthless banger with zero depreciation doing about 10k km per year. I scrapped it and bought a brand new EV. I now do closer to 20k km per year. My total cost of ownership including the depreciation on a brand new car is now lower doing almost twice the distance...

The very generous €10k subsidy, the free public (or very cheap night rate home) electricity, the lowest motor tax, tolls soon to be free, almost zero maintenance, lower insurance, free install of your home charger, zero or even negative depreciation, and I haven't even started to talk about the pleasure and ease of driving an EV.

And as you say, the more you drive, the more you save with EVs

Why not more people have copped onto this is hard to understand. Maybe EV owners don't go to pubs much and brag to other people

That’s interesting you had negative depreciation, did you actually sell your ev for more than you bought it for?

Shefwedfan

Casati wrote: »

That’s interesting you had negative depreciation, did you actually sell your ev for more than you bought it for?

Depending on when/type of electric car the depreciation at the moment can be negative.

My own isnt:P but I bought a Leaf last year, perfect condition. Low mileage. I paid under 7k for it. Would probably get 8-9k for it today.

I see more & more posts on forums for people looking to get a good quality second hand electric car but can't find.

Evd-Burner

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I see more & more posts on forums for people looking to get a good quality second hand electric car but can't find.

That's because more and more people have realised the savings to be had and the market has increased.

Water John

It's also very handy not thinking of, will it won't it start on a morning like this morning. So many people a 2nd hand EV with limited range would suit, elderly, school runs etc.

Morby

unkel wrote: »

I drove a worthless banger with zero depreciation doing about 10k km per year. I scrapped it and bought a brand new EV. I now do closer to 20k km per year. My total cost of ownership including the depreciation on a brand new car is now lower doing almost twice the distance...

The very generous €10k subsidy, the free public (or very cheap night rate home) electricity, the lowest motor tax, tolls soon to be free, almost zero maintenance, lower insurance, free install of your home charger, zero or even negative depreciation, and I haven't even started to talk about the pleasure and ease of driving an EV.

And as you say, the more you drive, the more you save with EVs

Why not more people have copped onto this is hard to understand. Maybe EV owners don't go to pubs much and brag to other people

What was the 10k subsidy if you don't mind me asking?

Presuming 5k scrappage deal and 5k government grant?

liamog

5k Grant, 5k VRT Reduction

lafors

Was parked beside the Kona yesterday in Airside in my Ioniq.
It's very small, a little bit taller but I couldn't get over its shortness and width. No way are you fitting 3 in the back and most definitely not with 2 kids seats. The boot is short but taller obviously than the ioniq so not sure which is bigger capacity wise.
One other thing was the it has a fairly big flat grill on the front, not ideal for aerodynamics, I'd presume there'll be a design change for the EV version.

I don't think its an ideal car for anyone with kids though. Hopefully they put the same batteries in the Ioniq soon.

Shefwedfan

lafors wrote: »

Was parked beside the Kona yesterday in Airside in my Ioniq.
It's very small, a little bit taller but I couldn't get over its shortness and width. No way are you fitting 3 in the back and most definitely not with 2 kids seats. The boot is short but taller obviously than the ioniq so not sure which is bigger capacity wise.
One other thing was the it has a fairly big flat grill on the front, not ideal for aerodynamics, I'd presume there'll be a design change for the EV version.

I don't think its an ideal car for anyone with kids though. Hopefully they put the same batteries in the Ioniq soon.

It is perfect for 2 kids. Anymore and you will struggle

To be fair it is a compact crossover so it is not made for more than 2

Shefwedfan

https://www.facebook.com/www.Hyundai.News/

See the �� premiere of Hyundai's All-New Kona Electric at the Geneva International Motor Show ✨

Livestream here, Tuesday March 6th – 10:15am CET

Found this on facebook. Might be worth watching as prices might be announced.

cros13

There are some slight changes to the Kona's dimensions for the electric version.
It's a smidge longer and a smidge taller than the combustion Kona, a few liters extra cabin room and circa 10L extra boot space.

But yeah, if you need an affordable EV with more space go for a Leaf or a Niro EV (if you can wait 'til 191).

Shefwedfan

For 2025
8 Hybrid
4 PHEV
5 Electric
1 Fuel Cell

Shefwedfan

I really like the red in it.....I knew I would :-)

positron

Shefwedfan wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/www.Hyundai.News/

See the �� premiere of Hyundai's All-New Kona Electric at the Geneva International Motor Show ✨

Livestream here, Tuesday March 6th – 10:15am CET

Found this on facebook. Might be worth watching as prices might be announced.

I thought Elon was bad at presenting, these guys are at a different level of worse... a lot of jargons, words, pointless pauses - saying a lot of words without saying anything. Hardly any reaction from crowd either - I wonder if it was an exclusive to Press event.
Anyway, Nexa - what's the fuel cell support like in Ireland/Europe? They didn't announce any dates / prices for Kona either (unless I missed it skipping thru the video).

Shefwedfan

Hi Magnificent,


thanks for getting in touch. The electric KONA is likely to arrive in dealerships for 182 but we cannot confirm that for definite as of yet. Hyundai Ireland expects to be in a position to confirm that in the next month or so.

Thanks,
The Hyundai Ireland Team

thelikelylad

Walk around of the Kona at Geneva today. It's in a Italian but you get a nice look at the car. Any Italian speakers here feel free to translate the general gist of it

Some things I picked up on.

- 358km on the GOM / 75% SOC in Sport Mode
- Nice set of toys/options - HUD, electronically adjustable front seats with heat/cooling, leather interior, sun/glass roof, front/rear parking sensors with camera
- Usual LKAS, Blindspot, Smart cruise control etc.
- I like the look of the floating central console. Looks clean and a bit more upmarket compared to the Ioniq anyway
- Steering wheel looks identical to the Ioniq, has the regen paddles so all good there
- Rear passenger room doesn't look too bad but it's hard to tell. Will have to judge that in person
- Wireless induction charging option
- Doesn't appear to be any storage up front. Shame, looks like there is some room up there to at least fit the charging cable.
- Boot looks ok, would be nice to have the retractable parcel shelf found in the Ioniq. Minimal storage under the boot floor, might fit the charge cable there.
- Push to open charge port door - Pain in the ass in the Ioniq having to remember to pop the fuel flap :P

Have to say I'm interested!

Looks tiny, the boot also looks too small, very shallow , a Golf probably has a larger boot ?

Could be packaged far better to create more passenger room.

Seriously , why did they have to make it so small ?

Not a big fan of the interior either, perhaps I was expecting too much ?

I think this car could and should have been a lot better.

Mancomb Seepgood

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Looks tiny, the boot also looks too small, very shallow , a Golf probably has a larger boot ?

Could be packaged far better to create more passenger room.

Seriously , why did they have to make it so small ?

Not a big fan of the interior either, perhaps I was expecting too much ?

I think this car could and should have been a lot better.

Not everyone wants or needs a big car.Smaller cars sell very well in most European countries.Cost is very important too.

Looks like it would be perfect for my needs.If they can achieve something approaching the efficiency of the Ioniq it will be a great buy.

ewj1978

Size won't matter.. Look how many Jukes/Chr's sold.

Starting to get into game changer times.

thelikelylad

Another walk around, this time in Spanish.

There's a few shots with people sitting in the back. He sits in the back himself around the 7:40 mark. Not sure if he mentions what height he is but it seems ok. I think I could live with it.

Noticed another nice feature at the 5:40 mark. It looks like you can limit the charge to a specific %. Similar to how Tesla have the 'Daily vs. Trip' option. It would be nice to have the option in the Ioniq instead of charging to 100% every time.

DrPhilG

Hard to tell without seeing it in the flesh, but it does look like a very cheap plastic interior.

What is the Ioniq interior like?

unkel

Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »

If they can achieve something approaching the efficiency of the Ioniq it will be a great buy.

It should be similar, but the coefficient of drag is far worse, so don't expect the same efficiency on motorways though. That said, if you can get a 64kWh, efficiency is a lot less important

Should still do Cork to Dublin at 120km/h in winter I'd say

DrPhilG wrote: »

Hard to tell without seeing it in the flesh, but it does look like a very cheap plastic interior.

What is the Ioniq interior like?

Pretty cheap and basic. In particular the cloth seats we get here.

thierry14

unkel wrote: »

It should be similar, but the coefficient of drag is far worse, so don't expect the same efficiency on motorways though. That said, if you can get a 64kWh, efficiency is a lot less important

Should still do Cork to Dublin at 120km/h in winter I'd say

Pretty cheap and basic. In particular the cloth seats we get here.

Will easily do Cork to Dublin @ 120 in Winter

The Chevy Bolt is managing 300km @ 120 in freezing conditions with cabin set to 22c in the States

Its battery is even smaller @ 60kWh and worse coefficient drag @ 0.32

Its not that small either, looks like plenty of room for small kids in the back to me

Id say 300km on motorway and 400km mixed range

Thats very good imo

unkel

I agree it's a break through. The first econobox EV with a long range (that can go pretty much from anywhere in Ireland to anywhere else without charging). Just as the Ioniq was the first econobox EV with a reasonable range in 2016.

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

Looks tiny, the boot also looks too small, very shallow , a Golf probably has a larger boot ?

Could be packaged far better to create more passenger room.

Seriously , why did they have to make it so small ?

Not a big fan of the interior either, perhaps I was expecting too much ?

I think this car could and should have been a lot better.

Most people dont want big cars anymore.

I showed to my wife and she loved it, if she didn't have 3 kids then it would be bought tomorrow.....`

Her sister spent stupid money buying a Hybrid C-HR......every extra she included on it,.....

positron

I think Hyundai knows their target market really well here - My wife also loved the Kona when we saw the petrol version at the dealers. They had an Ioniq right next to it, and clearly Ioniq is more spacious than Kona, boot probably more useful as well, but herself was very keen on Kona for it's looks and higher up seating position. We would still prefer an estate / mpv / 7-seater electric if there was such a thing, but there isn't (other than the eNV200 or Model X), but I feel Kona will sell very well.

thelikelylad

Here's a decent walk around. This time in English. Gets going around the 1:50 mark.

Interestingly this guy has actually ordered a Leaf 2. He feels the Kona interior looks better with nicer materials but he feels the Leaf is better in terms of build quality.

@4:45 - The guy is 6ft 2", has plenty of room up front but when he sits behind the drivers seats in his normal driving position things are very tight.

positron

Most cars would struggle to fit a 6'2" front and back like that - although I got got sense that Kona's rear was snug enough when we looked at the petrol version. I don't think there will be any issues fitting two group 0 / group 1 seats and leg rooms (he suggested kids 3-6 as they don't need big seats - group 0/1 is for younger kids than that), but you couldn't fit an adult between two group 0/1 seats, or between a group 0/2 and a group 2 (highback booster) seat. I

Not many cars out there that can handle three child seats / or even fit two child seat + adult. Kona felt couple of cms more snug than say a Honda Accord or a Ford Focus (cars that I have experience of).

Anyway, where do I order one of these? Wife's asking!

KCross

Good review.
It is small. The boot also looked tiny. Probably an excellent crossover if you have young children. If you have teenagers and you expect to use the back seats regularly it could be uncomfortable.

Not sure why he thinks it's a competitor to the Model 3 though!

Hopefully the Kia Niro EV will be as good with more room.... that would tick all the boxes for me then I think.

unkel

I had a look in one today too. Looked perfectly fine for 4 (even fairly tall / big) adults. But there's no way you could put 3 kids of any age in the back comfortably for a long trip. Pretty much exactly like the Captur I had last year. As others have said, these small crossovers really are only for 4 person families.

positron

Dear Positron, many thanks for your enquiry.

We are delighted to note your interest in the exciting new Kona EV model. As you may appreciate, following its reveal at the Geneva Motor Show, initial customer interest has been overwhelming. We are currently in discussion with Hyundai Motors Corporation Europe regarding possible Model Line-up/ Specifications/ production schedules and possible arrival/ launch date for Ireland. However, no firm details are available to us at this time.

We are hopeful for that this model will be available to us sometime in Quarter 3 and will certainly retain your details on file, with a view to contacting you as soon and we have more detailed information.

Many thanks again for your interest in this exciting new model

Kind Regards

Dealer Relationship Manager,
Hyundai Cars Ireland

thierry14

positron wrote: »

Dear Positron, many thanks for your enquiry.

We are delighted to note your interest in the exciting new Kona EV model. As you may appreciate, following its reveal at the Geneva Motor Show, initial customer interest has been overwhelming. We are currently in discussion with Hyundai Motors Corporation Europe regarding possible Model Line-up/ Specifications/ production schedules and possible arrival/ launch date for Ireland. However, no firm details are available to us at this time.

We are hopeful for that this model will be available to us sometime in Quarter 3 and will certainly retain your details on file, with a view to contacting you as soon and we have more detailed information.

Many thanks again for your interest in this exciting new model

Kind Regards

Dealer Relationship Manager,
Hyundai Cars Ireland

Exciting times

64kWh by the end of the year

Revolution is here

KCross

positron wrote: »

Dear Positron, many thanks for your enquiry.

We are delighted to note your interest in the exciting new Kona EV model. As you may appreciate, following its reveal at the Geneva Motor Show, initial customer interest has been overwhelming. We are currently in discussion with Hyundai Motors Corporation Europe regarding possible Model Line-up/ Specifications/ production schedules and possible arrival/ launch date for Ireland. However, no firm details are available to us at this time.

We are hopeful for that this model will be available to us sometime in Quarter 3 and will certainly retain your details on file, with a view to contacting you as soon and we have more detailed information.

Many thanks again for your interest in this exciting new model

Kind Regards

Dealer Relationship Manager,
Hyundai Cars Ireland

Maybe we should all express an interest, they might up their allocation!

What email address did you use?

The Contact Us page on the Hyundai website goes to a specific dealer. I'd rather hit Hyundai Ireland, not a dealer.

slicedpanman

KCross wrote: »

positron wrote: »

Dear Positron, many thanks for your enquiry.

We are delighted to note your interest in the exciting new Kona EV model. As you may appreciate, following its reveal at the Geneva Motor Show, initial customer interest has been overwhelming. We are currently in  discussion with Hyundai Motors Corporation Europe regarding  possible Model Line-up/ Specifications/ production schedules and possible arrival/ launch date for Ireland.  However, no firm details are available to us at this time.

We are  hopeful for that this model will be available to us sometime in Quarter 3 and will certainly retain your details on file, with a view to contacting you as soon and we have more detailed information.

Many thanks again for your interest in this exciting new model

Kind Regards

Dealer Relationship Manager,
Hyundai Cars Ireland

Maybe we should all express an interest, they might up their allocation!

What email address did you use?

The Contact Us page on the Hyundai website goes to a specific dealer. I'd rather hit Hyundai Ireland, not a dealer.

Ditto... I tried the contact us page (well over a week ago) but got zip back - I'd like that email address too please

positron

I got that response when I emailed 'info@hyundai.ie', which I got from their 'About Us' page.

slicedpanman

positron wrote: »

I got that response when I emailed 'info@hyundai.ie', which I got from their 'About Us' page.

Ta - mail sent

Shefwedfan

I contacted them on facebook and they replied via facebook messenger

DrPhilG

I messaged my local Hyundai, they say they expect the electric Kona in showrooms around July.

Gumbo

Salesman in EP Mooney expect to have the 64kwh version by July.

jaxxx

I've never seen a Kona on the road until today. My god it's a stunning car. Now that there's an EV version coming out, it's gone to the top of my list for my next car.

DrPhilG

jaxxx wrote: »

I've never seen a Kona on the road until today. My god it's a stunning car. Now that there's an EV version coming out, it's gone to the top of my list for my next car.

Really?

It's not bad overall, but those plastic wheel arches are dreadful.

Let me guess, they'll order xxxx Konas in one trim only and you'll have no option to buy a high spec one, they did this with the Ioniq because they feared they would not sell high spec Ioniqs and to make it worth their while they have to buy in bulk.

So when people are inquiring make this point that you hope they'll offer all specs and not one only like the Ioniq it was one reason I never would have bought the Ioniq, if I'm stuck with a car for 3 years I want one with decent spec.

It's a wonder they never advertised the charging speed on DC.

Dont be at yourself

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Let me guess, they'll order xxxx Konas in one trim only and you'll have no option to buy a high spec one, they did this with the Ioniq because they feared they would not sell high spec Ioniqs and to make it worth their while they have to buy in bulk.

So when people are inquiring make this point that you hope they'll offer all specs and not one only like the Ioniq it was one reason I never would have bought the Ioniq, if I'm stuck with a car for 3 years I want one with decent spec.

It's a wonder they never advertised the charging speed on DC.

The Ioniq sold in Ireland is the Premium trim, the second highest available. Aside from leather seats -- an optional extra in Ireland -- its kitted out with pretty much everything you'd want (heated seats, parking sensors, folding mirrors, Apple car play / Android auto, reversing camera, wireless phone charging etc).

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

I never would have bought the Ioniq, if I'm stuck with a car for 3 years I want one with decent spec.

No decent spec on Ioniq? You're making a fool of yourself by posting stuff like that, Mad_Lad

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

The Ioniq sold in Ireland is the Premium trim, the second highest available. Aside from leather seats -- an optional extra in Ireland -- its kitted out with pretty much everything you'd want (heated seats, parking sensors, folding mirrors, Apple car play / Android auto, reversing camera, wireless phone charging etc).

Not to mention active cruise control, lane keep assist, auto lights, auto wipers, keyless entry / locking / start, etc.

liamog

Yeah but you have to adjust the drivers seat manually in in the Ioniq Premium. Car is literally unusable.

thelikelylad

liamog wrote: »

Yeah but you have to adjust the drivers seat manually in in the Ioniq Premium. Car is literally unusable.

:pac:

Also no REX. Worst car ever.

thierry14

positron wrote: »

Dear Positron, many thanks for your enquiry.

We are delighted to note your interest in the exciting new Kona EV model. As you may appreciate, following its reveal at the Geneva Motor Show, initial customer interest has been overwhelming. We are currently in discussion with Hyundai Motors Corporation Europe regarding possible Model Line-up/ Specifications/ production schedules and possible arrival/ launch date for Ireland. However, no firm details are available to us at this time.

We are hopeful for that this model will be available to us sometime in Quarter 3 and will certainly retain your details on file, with a view to contacting you as soon and we have more detailed information.

Many thanks again for your interest in this exciting new model

Kind Regards

Dealer Relationship Manager,
Hyundai Cars Ireland

Maybe send the same off to Kia Ireland

Niro 64kWh is more interesting than Kona