Young Offenders TV series (BBC3 / RTE)

rob316

There isn't any money in records for any artist. They earn their crust on tour.

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

There isn't any money in records for any artist. They earn their crust on tour.

Indeed so, "records" are only just business cards that you give away free to plug the live shows and merchandising. Prince was the first to cotton on to that yonks ago.

And thats where many bands get it wrong. Most of anyone can produce a half-decent recording, but if they aint got a great singer and a great stage show and a great set of songs and appeal to a particular market, you can forget about it.

Most of these aspiring "great" recordings have usually nothing else behind it. And the CD's or whatever, ends up in the bin. Having a stage show is where its at. Thats why I always had respect for metal bands, they gave it the full monty and had a market who would pay to see the shows, drink the Dr Pepper AND buy the T-Shirt.

rob316

Davis Narrow Rancor wrote: »

Indeed so, "records" are only just business cards that you give away free to plug the live shows and merchandising. Prince was the first to cotton on to that yonks ago.

And thats where many bands get it wrong. Most of anyone can produce a half-decent recording, but if they aint got a great singer and a great stage show and a great set of songs and appeal to a particular market, you can forget about it.

Most of these aspiring "great" recordings have usually nothing else behind it. And the CD's or whatever, ends up in the bin. Having a stage show is where its at. Thats why I always had respect for metal bands, they gave it the full monty and had a market who would pay to see the shows, drink the Dr Pepper AND buy the T-Shirt.

Metallica are the case in point. 3 albums in 20 years they have released. Why bother unless they have to, they just sell out stadiums and arenas across the world. Great live band and they know people will pay big money to see them.

brian_t

rob316 wrote: »

There isn't any money in records for any artist. They earn their crust on tour.

Enya seems to manage.

fin12

At the end of the day they’ve got publicity so I hope they are not complaining.

Ultimate Seduction

Just saw this thread and surprised with the amount of people thinking "it's the best comedy in years" ect. Some of it was funny, more often than not it's just cringe. Running out of material after 3 episodes, going by the big 10 min sing song on the bus

byte

banie01 wrote: »

Is that not Netflix pricing?

Hahaha, FFS, yes it is, I thought he had said Netflix. Nevermind me!

Spotify is a tenner a month.

Zico !

I presume RTE will start repeating series 1 in the next few weeks and flog it to death-Is Fr Ted on tonight ?

Ash.J.Williams

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Just saw this thread and surprised with the amount of people thinking "it's the best comedy in years" ect. Some of it was funny, more often than not it's just cringe. Running out of material after 3 episodes, going by the big 10 min sing song on the bus

It was 1.20 min

brian_t

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

It was 1.20 min

It lasted 1 minute and 53 seconds on my recording.

Not that I'm complaining.

castletownman

Just caught up with the finale there now. Was definitely better than I expected

Would agree with previous comments about the sing-song being a bit cringeworthy, although the original song itself is lovely.

On top on some of the aforementioned lines, I did laugh out loud at one of the two older women on the bus saying "there's always fecking one" when Billy asked was there any vegetarians when ringing in the pizza order

The tying his laces bit was sad, but then using a flashback to his childhood having a disinterested/addict mother as a vehicle to explain the reason why some "nut-jobs" become that way was a real kick in the feels.

Overall a decent and thoroughly enjoyable series, that I would rate as a drama interspersed with comic moments rather than a comedy overall. I can see the reservations people have about its status as a comedy, but after all it is subjective. Like wasn't roaring laughing throughout every episode like others, but was probably more emotionally invested in more scenes than others too.

One observation- the actress that plays Siobhan rivals the lead teenager in Derry Girls for over doing it with the facial expressions/gurns. Rather annoying as she is pretty and it does nothing for her.

BuilderPlumber

This series is better than expected. While I won't go out and buy the DVD, at least it is above average for Irish comedy.

WRT the side discussion on music, a lot of services like Spotify do not pay musicians enough. I believe there is too much emphasis on pushing live music than recorded music because it is ALWAYS about the venue and filling bars and halls, etc. and NEVER the musician. Streaming could be a very lucrative thing for musicians if run for them. Live music is a costly affair and is handy money for venues, session musicians and promoters. Lead Musicians have to fork out a LOT of money and it is not viable for most - but the industry does not care as it is more about keeping bars selling expensive alcohol afloat than about helping musicians. The music scene needs serious reform. In Ireland, this is also hampered by the media's emphasis on just 2 or 3 styles only.

paulieeye

Just to put to bed the notion that this is anything like Mrs Brown's Boys...

Mark kermode on MBBs..
https://youtu.be/m3voJg468ew

Mark kermode on Young Offenders...
https://youtu.be/F6kZzD74h50

BuilderPlumber

paulieeye wrote: »

Just to put to bed the notion that this is anything like Mrs Brown's Boys...

Mark kermode on MBBs..
https://youtu.be/m3voJg468ew

Mark kermode on Young Offenders...
https://youtu.be/F6kZzD74h50

It is way better than MBB. The fact it is set on location and offers a variety of settings means more can be done with this series and is done. MBB was and is just repeating the same old things done in 3 rooms.

As someone who found the film to be very poor I had no interest in the TV show but due to being stuck in a hotel two weeks in a week I ended up watching both episode 5 and 6 of the show and was left baffled by the acclaim being heaped on the show online.

There's nothing inherently bad about it, it's just so generic and bland that it ends up being nothing more than meh, the kind of cheap filler that you have on in the background when you are doing something else. It's like something that the BBC would have thrown out on a Thursday night in the mid 90s, familiar, unoffensive fare in which nothing of note happens as the writers attempt to mine comedy from swearing and lowest common denominator humour. The last episode, in particular, felt like something someone who thinks a lot of themselves wrote, the whole maybe if someone loved him he'd be a good person scene just didn't work and felt like they were trying to ape the Dramedy feel of M.A.S.H. only without the wit or intelligence.

So much of it episodes I was were just cringeworthy, the singing on the bus was plain awful and like something you'd find in a not very goods kids show.

As for people feeling sorry for the Frank and Walters and all the complaining about Spotify, well if they were in any way good businessmen they would have a contract that resulted in them being paid part of the licensing fee that the BBC and RTE paid to use the song. 40 thousand or so streams on Spotify is nothing when you consider that in 2015 there were nearly 1 billion streams each day so I doubt that the Frank and Walters sudden uptake even registered on anyone but their own radar. If they had any sense and wanted to cash in then they'd organise a gig in Cork or try and be the face of some product rather than complaining on twitter.

paulieeye

JKerova1 wrote: »

When it comes down to it it's just posh people acting as norries which isn't funny or clever I'm sorry.

:pac::pac::pac:

Brilliant!

Ultimate Seduction

Deleted User wrote: »

As someone who found the film to be very poor I had no interest in the TV show but due to being stuck in a hotel two weeks in a week I ended up watching both episode 5 and 6 of the show and was left baffled by the acclaim being heaped on the show online.

There's nothing inherently bad about it, it's just so generic and bland that it ends up being nothing more than meh, the kind of cheap filler that you have on in the background when you are doing something else. It's like something that the BBC would have thrown out on a Thursday night in the mid 90s, familiar, unoffensive fare in which nothing of note happens as the writers attempt to mine comedy from swearing and lowest common denominator humour. The last episode, in particular, felt like something someone who thinks a lot of themselves wrote, the whole maybe if someone loved him he'd be a good person scene just didn't work and felt like they were trying to ape the Dramedy feel of M.A.S.H. only without the wit or intelligence.

So much of it episodes I was were just cringeworthy, the singing on the bus was plain awful and like something you'd find in a not very goods kids show.

As for people feeling sorry for the Frank and Walters and all the complaining about Spotify, well if they were in any way good businessmen they would have a contract that resulted in them being paid part of the licensing fee that the BBC and RTE paid to use the song. 40 thousand or so streams on Spotify is nothing when you consider that in 2015 there were nearly 1 billion streams each day so I doubt that the Frank and Walters sudden uptake even registered on anyone but their own radar. If they had any sense and wanted to cash in then they'd organise a gig in Cork or try and be the face of some product rather than complaining on twitter.

There is no espisode 5 or 6??

david75

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

There is no espisode 5 or 6??

There is.

More curious as to how anyone could judge the whole series based only on watching the final two episodes. But here we are.

McLoughlin

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

There is no espisode 5 or 6??

There is it is a six episodes series

Ultimate Seduction

Sorry, I thought there was only 4. Must give them a watch tonight so

You should have a treat in store. In my opinion, the bus scene is one of the funniest Irish comedy scenes in years.

My funniest moment was PJ Gallager cooking the sasuages at the bar-b-que. Priceless.

"I'd say Siobhan likes a big sausage does she?"

Didn't realise that you had to watch every episode of a show to form an opinion, perhaps those acclaiming it shouldn't do so till such time as the show is truly over as you can't judge something based only on watching a few episodes.

david75

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Didn't realise that you had to watch every episode of a show to form an opinion, perhaps those acclaiming it shouldn't do so till such time as the show is truly over as you can't judge something based only on watching a few episodes.

Let’s all judge the godfather trilogy just after watching the third one.
Yeah that’s an accurate representation of the whole


Seriously though there’s well written and developed storylines, character arcs and themes running through this series. Judging it on the last two episodes?youre missing the point. I’m surprised you expect to be taken seriously based on that but ok. I’d say watch the series. It’s not like it’ll take long.

Your argument is flawed, what you are saying is that you can't judge a TV show unless you watch every episode. It's like telling someone who dislikes Ed Sheeran that you can't judge him till you listen to a full album, or that if reading a bad book you can't say it's bad unless you read all of it. Based on what I saw of the Young Offenders, the two episodes of the TV show and the film it's not very good. Generic, banal and cliched by the numbers.

Also are we now comparing TV to film in how we experience it, if I'm not mistaken were you not trumpeting the last Star Wars as an amazing film, surely you should hold off till the next film in the series is out as we can hardly take your opinion on it seriously till we've seen all the series.

david75

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Your argument is flawed, what you are saying is that you can't judge a TV show unless you watch every episode. It's like telling someone who dislikes Ed Sheeran that you can't judge him till you listen to a full album, or that if reading a bad book you can't say it's bad unless you read all of it. Based on what I saw of the Young Offenders, the two episodes of the TV show and the film it's not very good. Generic, banal and cliched by the numbers.

Also are we now comparing TV to film in how we experience it, if I'm not mistaken were you not trumpeting the last Star Wars as an amazing film, surely you should hold off till the next film in the series is out as we can hardly take your opinion on it seriously till we've seen all the series.

No I enjoyed it on its own terms realising it part of a whole.
Had I not watched it and just watched the final one and judged all three based in the final one it would be pretty ridiculous and a stupid way of judging a three part story based on only seeing one part.

You judged a 6 part series based on the final two episodes. You don’t seem to have taken advantage of the whole story nor have all the facts in order to make such a withering caustic review of it as a whole.

You haven’t watched it all.

So we can judge part of a trilogy before we see all of it but can't judge a TV show unless we watch it all. I take it that you only comment on and offer an opinion on a show after you have watched all the episodes, as by by your way of thinking it's not possible to judge a show based on the merits of two episodes.

It's an utterly ridiculous way to look at it. I hated the two episodes of The Big Bang Theory that I can't have an opinion of it till I watch all the series of it is what you are saying. Same with Mrs Browns Boys, I endured a Christmas special once, but as I've not seen the 30 previous episodes my opinion that its utter muck isn't valid. I take it that you wait till a show is over before forming an opinion.

david75

If you say so. I see you’re a gamer. I understand why you wouldn’t relate to a series like this. It’s not for you. No big deal. Just as MBB is designed for an older audience. It’s no big deal if you Dont like it. You will meet resistance if you carry on like it offended you though. Having watched only two episodes.

david75

david75 wrote:

If you say so. I see you’re a gamer. I understand why you wouldn’t relate to a series like this. It’s not for you. No big deal. Just as MBB is designed for an older audience. It’s no big deal if you Dont like it. You will meet resistance if you carry on like it offended you though. Having watched only two episodes.

What utter nonsense are you on about? Someone who plays games can't enjoy TV or have an opinion? As you are trawling through my posts, perhaps take a look at the diverse things I enjoy rather than try to insult most of the adult population who enjoy gaming.

You may want to get off that high horse before you fall off, you come across as a condescending know it all. Not offended by anything, just offered an opinion but based on your past posts I get the impression that if someone doesn't agree with you then you get the hump and go on the offensive. Once you grow up a little you will realise that people have different opinions and come here for discussions, not just to attack others who don't share their viewpoint.

fin12

david75 wrote: »

If you say so. I see you’re a gamer. I understand why you wouldn’t relate to a series like this. It’s not for you. No big deal. Just as MBB is designed for an older audience. It’s no big deal if you Dont like it. You will meet resistance if you carry on like it offended you though. Having watched only two episodes.

Darko has a point, if he thought the two episodes he watched were absolute sh*te, he’d prob find the other four crap as well.

I thought it wasn’t that great but I loved the 6th episode.

david75

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What utter nonsense are you on about? Someone who plays games can't enjoy TV or have an opinion? As you are trawling through my posts, perhaps take a look at the diverse things I enjoy rather than try to insult most of the adult population who enjoy gaming.

You may want to get off that high horse before you fall off, you come across as a condescending know it all. Not offended by anything, just offered an opinion but based on your past posts I get the impression that if someone doesn't agree with you then you get the hump and go on the offensive. Once you grow up a little you will realise that people have different opinions and come here for discussions, not just to attack others who don't share their viewpoint.

Well I mean you’re a gamer, gamers are not known for any kind of social graces or courtesy (look at the lead comments in each of your posts here) socialising isn’t really gamers thing, unless it’s screaming down a head mic at people wishing them death, girls (or lads ) generally don’t come into gamer social realm on any tangible sense, (can’t blame you. They’re all trouble) and finally 14k posts on boards most of which seem to be complaining and arguing generally suggests you’re far removed from the 17 year old lad experience in any real social sense and comedy in all its forms eludes you, unless it’s you creating it in which case it’s good according to you.) so it’s understandable this series didn’t reach you

None of that was an attack. Would ask how you got away with writin a book report only having read the last chapter.