Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

SporadicMan

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Nope, you brought the delivroo drivers out of nowhere. I've already said crime happens throughout the country.

"Out of nowhere"

Or to provide additional context to what I was saying..

WinnyThePoo

SporadicMan wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Nope, you brought the delivroo drivers out of nowhere. I've already said crime happens throughout the country.

"Out of nowhere"

Or to provide additional context to what I was saying..

Your insinuating that because the media brought up delivroo drivers being beaten and mugged. It somehow manages to show the Irish being the lowest priority in this country?.


No it doesn't. Try again.

Omackeral

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I'm not here to play twenty question with ya. Your claim the Irish seem to 'lowest priority' is false.

It's important not build your world view on pure bollix.

It's a discussion board. Why not answer the poster's question? If his assertions are in fact ''pure bollix'', then simply dispute them and show him up.

malinheader

Folks might be better to say nothing for the good of diversity.

WinnyThePoo

Omackeral wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I'm not here to play twenty question with ya. Your claim the Irish seem to 'lowest priority' is false.

It's important not build your world view on pure bollix.

It's a discussion board. Why not answer the poster's question? If his assertions are in fact ''pure bollix'', then simply dispute them and show him up.

Be my guest and tell me how the Irish in Ireland are the lowest priority?.

Your not going to able to. Its bollix.

The Bishop Basher

I certainly feel like I’m a lower priority.

Not just below immigrants but below every class, colour and creed of sponger in this state, including our own homegrown toe rags.

I’ve worked every day of my life since leaving school and have never taken a cent in dole. I’m no saint but I’ve never hurt anyone or stolen from them. I’ve always contributed.

I resent paying over half of everything I earn in both direct and indirect taxation while getting fluck all in return because we’re spending so much money supporting these gougers and their families.

No healthy able bodied person should ever get a cent from the government without a day’s work in return. Looking around my area I can see years of work for them. You want money, you earn it. Otherwise you starve. Earning money builds a sense of self worth and respect. Everyone wins.

Leo said he was going to look after those of us who get up in the morning. Well Leo’s a blatant liar. Our current policies and approach only serves to build a greater divide in our society and the problems we see with these gangs are only a glimpse of what’s to come.

WinnyThePoo

Rennaws wrote: »

I certainly feel like I’m a lower priority.

Not just below immigrants but below every class, colour and creed of sponger in this state, including our own homegrown toe rags.

I’ve worked every day of my life since leaving school and have never taken a cent in dole. I’m no saint but I’ve never hurt anyone or stolen from them. I’ve always contributed.

I resent paying over half of everything I earn in both direct and indirect taxation while getting fluck all in return because we’re spending so much money supporting these gougers and their families.

No healthy able bodied person should ever get a cent from the government without a day’s work in return. Looking around my area I can see years of work for them. You want money, you earn it. Otherwise you starve. Earning money builds a sense of self worth and respect. Everyone wins.

Leo said he was going to look after those of us who get up in the morning. Well Leo’s a blatant liar. Our current policies and approach only serves to build a greater divide in our society and the problems we see with these gangs are only a glimpse of what’s to come.

You do realise.. People of colour work in Ireland aswell?.

The decisions you made to get where you are.. Are your own. Stop blaming everybody else on your own issues. The immigrants etc have not stopped you from progressing in life. Only you have.

Deebles McBeebles

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You do realise.. People of colour work in Ireland aswell?.

The decisions you made to get where you are.. Are your own. Stop blaming everybody else on your own issues. The immigrants etc have not stopped you from progressing in life. Only you have.

You didn't really read that post did you?

BeerWolf

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You do realise.. People of colour work in Ireland aswell?.

The decisions you made to get where you are.. Are your own. Stop blaming everybody else on your own issues. The immigrants etc have not stopped you from progressing in life. Only you have.

Reading is hard... :rolleyes:

Kivaro

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You do realise.. People of colour work in Ireland aswell?.

The decisions you made to get where you are.. Are your own. Stop blaming everybody else on your own issues. The immigrants etc have not stopped you from progressing in life. Only you have.

Oh sweet Jesus, I should have done this ages ago.
Your posts are insufferable.

You can join your extremist friend Dav on the ignore list.

suicide_circus

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You do realise.. People of colour work in Ireland aswell?.

what colour would that be?

Deebles McBeebles

I wonder if this was the gang from Balbriggan, attacking a hard working man.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/he-called-me-a-monkey-man-is-lucky-to-be-alive-following-racist-beating-37912098.html

suicide_circus

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I wonder if this was the gang from Balbriggan, attacking a hard working man.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/he-called-me-a-monkey-man-is-lucky-to-be-alive-following-racist-beating-37912098.html

revenge attack? liam neeson defence maybe

SporadicMan

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I wonder if this was the gang from Balbriggan, attacking a hard working man.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/he-called-me-a-monkey-man-is-lucky-to-be-alive-following-racist-beating-37912098.html

The Indo have finally learned how to report on violent attacks involving black people!

Zorya

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I wonder if this was the gang from Balbriggan, attacking a hard working man.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/he-called-me-a-monkey-man-is-lucky-to-be-alive-following-racist-beating-37912098.html

That's bad. What the feck is wrong with people. Just randomly lashing into others.



Side note - I am a person of colours. My skin is generally sallow, quite beige really, much more yellow than my Asian neighbour, and I have red cheeks (on my face!). After a hot shower I am almost completely red. If I run - yikes, red and white splotchy, maybe even a bit purple.

Deebles McBeebles

Zorya wrote: »

Side note - I am a person of colours. My skin is generally sallow, quite beige really, much more yellow than my Asian neighbour, and I have red cheeks (on my face!). After a hot shower I am almost completely red. If I run - yikes, red and white splotchy, maybe even a bit purple.

You have the best typing skills of any chameleon I have ever known! :pac:

Deebles McBeebles

suicide_circus wrote: »

revenge attack? liam neeson defence maybe

Pretty sure Twitter has him as the prime suspect but you know the Indo, they'd never publish anything bad about a Nordie

Grab All Association

3 strikes policy- under 18 = imprisonment until the 25
Adult = up to life in prison

Or

Lobotomy/medication for the Jimmy the scumbag type repeat offenders

Introduce jails like the USA where you are detained awaiting court appearance. Have only one jail per county/division in the divisional HQ. For example Thurles Co Tipperary (Tipperary divisional HQ). No sleeping it off at the local station for an arrest for ASB in Nenagh and Clonmel. You’ll have to make your own way home if freed on bail in the court.

Wibbs

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I wonder if this was the gang from Balbriggan, attacking a hard working man.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/he-called-me-a-monkey-man-is-lucky-to-be-alive-following-racist-beating-37912098.html

A disgusting attack rightfully highlighted and I hope they catch the scum who perpetrated it. However this handily illustrates the point many of us are making. Black lad gets viciously attacked by three scum and it's in the media, with pic of the chap in his hospital bed and his story told. White lad gets viciously attacked by a large group of scum. Where is his story in the Indo, his pic from his hospital bed? And some still cling to the idiotic notion that such crimes are treated equally? I call bollocks to that.

WinnyThePoo

Kivaro wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You do realise.. People of colour work in Ireland aswell?.

The decisions you made to get where you are.. Are your own. Stop blaming everybody else on your own issues. The immigrants etc have not stopped you from progressing in life. Only you have.

Oh sweet Jesus, I should have done this ages ago.
Your posts are insufferable.

You can join your extremist friend Dav on the ignore list.

Awww.... Happy out so I am.

AndrewJRenko

Grab All Association wrote: »

3 strikes policy- under 18 = imprisonment until the 25
Adult = up to life in prison

Or

Lobotomy/medication for the Jimmy the scumbag type repeat offenders

How's that working out in the States for keeping down crime rates?

WinnyThePoo

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You do realise.. People of colour work in Ireland aswell?.

The decisions you made to get where you are.. Are your own. Stop blaming everybody else on your own issues. The immigrants etc have not stopped you from progressing in life. Only you have.

You didn't really read that post did you?

I did. The poster has failed at proving the Irish are the lowest priority in Ireland in anyway shape or form.

I just want someone who can push aside their feelings to tell me in a factual way how the Irish are the lowest priority in Ireland.

MFPM

Wibbs wrote: »

A disgusting attack rightfully highlighted and I hope they catch the scum who perpetrated it. However this handily illustrates the point many of us are making. Black lad gets viciously attacked by three scum and it's in the media, with pic of the chap in his hospital bed and his story told. White lad gets viciously attacked by a large group of scum. Where is his story in the Indo, his pic from his hospital bed? And some still cling to the idiotic notion that such crimes are treated equally? I call bollocks to that.

Firstly violent crime is part and parcel of society unfortunately, it is perpertrated by people of all genders, races and creeds, some of this crime gets reported much of it doesn't.

The case of the man who was attacked at the car wash is getting coverage because based on what is being reported it is in part a race related crime as indicated by expressions such as 'monkey' and 'go back to where you came from'.

Is there any evidence that the young man who was brutally assaulted by the gang was done so becaue of the colour of his skin?
Thus your hypothesis that there is a media agenda against 'race' crime against white people (a laughable suggestion) rather falls falt on its face.

Much of the discussion on the case in Ashbourne here has nothing to do with the act or the injuries of the young man (beyond token faux outrage) the essence of the discussion is on the racial profile of the perpertrators, many posters exploiting it to vomit their prejudicial attitude to the African community in Ireland.

Grab All Association

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

How's that working out in the States for keeping down crime rates?

It wouldn’t be designed to keep down crime rates, it would be designed to keep these people off the streets and stop them breeding. It seems when one scumbag passes away another 4+ (the children) take his/her place. If we imprison as many scumbags as we can then these people will be taken off the streets.

MFPM

Grab All Association wrote: »

It wouldn’t be designed to keep down crime rates, it would be designed to keep these people off the streets and stop them breeding. It seems when one scumbag passes away another 4+ (the children) take his/her place. If we imprison as many scumbags as we can then these people will be taken off the streets.

How's that working out?

You seem only interested in treating symptoms rather than the cause - do you you see any role for addressing issues around, inequality, socio-economic status, poverty etc?

Deebles McBeebles

Wibbs wrote: »

A disgusting attack rightfully highlighted and I hope they catch the scum who perpetrated it. However this handily illustrates the point many of us are making. Black lad gets viciously attacked by three scum and it's in the media, with pic of the chap in his hospital bed and his story told. White lad gets viciously attacked by a large group of scum. Where is his story in the Indo, his pic from his hospital bed? And some still cling to the idiotic notion that such crimes are treated equally? I call bollocks to that.

I've obviously walked in on something here. I don't know about the rest but I certainly agree with your first sentence!

Zorya

MFPM wrote: »

How's that working out?

You seem only interested in treating symptoms rather than the cause - do you you see any role for addressing issues around, inequality, socio-economic status, poverty etc?

Are these gang members poor? Have they low socio-economic status? Have they been afforded unequal opportunity ? They look to be well-clothed, well-fed and have good phones. I am willing to bet all 13 euros (I have till payday in my bank account) that I am significantly poorer than these youth, and am much lower socio-economically in the pecking order, and yet I don't seem to feel the need to rush around robbing and mugging and assaulting random people on the byways hereabouts.

Grab All Association

MFPM wrote: »

How's that working out?

You seem only interested in treating symptoms rather than the cause - do you you see any role for addressing issues around, inequality, socio-economic status, poverty etc?

Cheap social housing, welfare, medical card and numerous other benefits, GAA/football clubs, arts, library, playgrounds, free education.

We’ve never had it this good in this country and yet scumbags will still be scumbags. There are people in these areas on the exact same incomes/circumstances e.g JSA/DA etc who don’t have to resort to criminality and are law abiding citizens.

Cordell

MFPM wrote: »

How's that working out?

You seem only interested in treating symptoms rather than the cause - do you you see any role for addressing issues around, inequality, socio-economic status, poverty etc?

No, there is no poverty that can explain their behavior, not in Ireland anyway. Youths acting up and joining gangs, why, because they're so poor that they need to buy their tracksuits from penneys rather than nike?

Parents loosing sleep over lack of money for feeding their kids, that's the kind of poverty that can justify crime and antisocial behavior. They don't experience any of that.

I've seen and experienced poverty first hand, so excuse me if I don't buy this BS.

Wibbs

MFPM wrote: »

Firstly violent crime is part and parcel of society unfortunately, it is perpertrated by people of all genders, races and creeds, some of this crime gets reported much of it doesn't.

The case of the man who was attacked at the car wash is getting coverage because based on what is being reported it is in part a race related crime as indicated by expressions such as 'monkey' and 'go back to where you came from'.

Is there any evidence that the young man who was brutally assaulted by the gang was done so becaue of the colour of his skin?
Thus your hypothesis that there is a media agenda against 'race' crime against white people (a laughable suggestion) rather falls falt on its face.

So a vicious attack perpetrated by a large gang of any colour on an individual, in an emerging pattern of large gangs of youths of any colour regularly running amok along public transport routes in the capital city is not newsworthy? Do you honestly believe if this was predominantly White gangs of this number and regularity of public disorder and thuggishness it wouldn't be in the news on the regular? Unless they were Travellers of course, they rarely get their ethnic status reported, instead euphemisms like "travelling gangs" is what is deemed acceptable for print.

Much of the discussion on the case in Ashbourne here has nothing to do with the act or the injuries of the young man (beyond token faux outrage) the essence of the discussion is on the racial profile of the perpertrators, many posters exploiting it to vomit their prejudicial attitude to the African community in Ireland.

Where are the large gangs of majority Chinese, or Lithuanian, or Polish(largest non native Irish population) lads and lasses causing trouble? Unless you can prove otherwise and I'm all ears, this particular trend is undeniably more an issue within the African community in Ireland.

Giveaway

Wibbs wrote: »

So a vicious attack perpetrated by a large gang of any colour on an individual, in an emerging pattern of large gangs of youths of any colour regularly running amok along public transport routes in the capital city is not newsworthy? Do you honestly believe if this was predominantly White gangs of this number and regularity of public disorder and thuggishness it wouldn't be in the news on the regular? Unless they were Travellers of course, they rarely get their ethnic status reported, instead euphemisms like "travelling gangs" is what is deemed acceptable for print.

Where are the large gangs of majority Chinese, or Lithuanian, or Polish(largest non native Irish population) lads and lasses causing trouble? Unless you can prove otherwise and I'm all ears, this particular trend is undeniably more an issue within the African community in Ireland.

Careful now. A lot of african countries have similar problems with criminals from the same african region too

Wibbs

Cordell wrote: »

No, there is no poverty that can explain their behavior, not in Ireland anyway. Youths acting up and joining gangs, why, because they're so poor that they need to buy their tracksuits from penneys rather than nike?

It's a cultural influence. The second generation within "multicultural" societies know damned well that while they may be Irish/British/French/German on their passport, they're not quite Irish/British/French/German in reality. Their parents at least know they're Ghanian, or Nigerian. Ask any of those kids and I guarantee they'll tell you they are looked at differently, both subtly and overtly because they've built in sunblock. From the right on handwringers that are not too far removed from sympathy for "Black babies", with attendant condescension and focus on colour, to full on "go back to the jungle" types. Yep, it's racism, but that's a near given in this idiotic notion of modern "multiculturalism". No amount of holding hands and the best of intentions will change that, certainly not the way it's been tried elsewhere and we have many decades of other nation's experiences there.

So if you feel you don't quite fit in, you will quite understandably look to other expressions of that identity, one that fits your experiences more. In this case the whole rap/gang/outsider "Black" culture thing. Never mind that a big gang of you feels empowering and not to be fcuked with, never mind an element of payback for every time you walked into a shop and knew a few were thinking "nigger" under their breath, or not so under their breath. In their place I'd be pretty damned sure I'd do exactly the same at their age. In the UK many young men in their Muslim community look to their sense of shared identity. In ex colonies like the US, you see this with damned near every ethnic group that isn't the ruling caste. Italians, Jews, African, Hispanic and indeed Irish. This upcoming weekend a good example of the latter.

Cordell

I'm not Irish either and this is obvious to anyone that hears me speaking or looks at my not so Irish facial features, but I never felt the need to bash anyone's head over this.
I did a few things when I was young and stupid, and there was no justification or cause other that I wasn't caught and punished for any of them.
So no, them not being Irish is not a cause. You can very well be non-Irish but a decent human being, regardless of ethnicity color or creed.

Franz Von Peppercorn

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

How's that working out in the States for keeping down crime rates?

Crime rates have fallen in the US in the last 2 decades iirc.

rgodard80a

I get the impression.... could be completely wrong, but that the black lads were expecting a similar group of white lads.

Maybe they were all talking smack talk over some social media ?
I thought I read somewhere that a group of white kids scarpered when the black gang got off the bus ?

So maybe they either recognised that victim from whatever social media app they used, or just went immediately into hunting/attack mode and he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Either way, the guards apparently have 3 arrests and will probably be happy enough to leave it at that rather than try to identify the whole gang through social media and cell phone location records and try to address the entire problem.

Unfortunately Ireland doesn't have enough money for true justice and the Garda have to work to a budget.

recedite

Cordell wrote: »

So no, them not being Irish is not a cause. You can very well be non-Irish but a decent human being, regardless of ethnicity color or creed.

I think Wibb's point is that the second generation African starts off with an inbuilt identity issue that the Polish immigrant's kids will never really be stuck with.
On top of that, there is the lure of international black "gangsta" culture which is all over Youtube and TV.

The rich and successful black role models tend to be mostly drug dealers, musicians, footballers, or athletes. That's probably due to a combination of role models/culture but also genetics. All these things are pulling them towards the creation of a new sub-culture within mainstream Irish culture. Maybe they are naturally prone to forming gangs, just as they are naturally better than whitey at some sports.
The main point is, something needs to be done to nip their naturally destructive tendencies in the bud, because soon they will be carrying knives just like they do in the UK. Pretending its not happening, or sweeping it all under the carpet, ostrich like, is not a good option.


The flip side of this is that society should be encouraging the good stuff.
So when the black lads tog out in the green jersey, give them every encouragement. Everyone needs to accept that the second generation is Irish, despite their unusual names and the obvious African heritage.

Auntie Semite

Its funny how when any issues regarding the Travelling community arise, we are often met with the explanation 'its their culture boss'

When we speak about the African gangs can we say 'its their culture boss' or is that racist?

pablo128

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Its funny how when any issues regarding the Travelling community arise, we are often met with the explanation 'its their culture boss'

When we speak about the African gangs can we say 'its their culture boss' or is that racist?

You will get the same reaction as the Africans are getting if bus loads of traveller youths were arming themselves and attacking children at will. No question.

Auntie Semite

pablo128 wrote: »

You will get the same reaction as the Africans are getting if bus loads of traveller youths were arming themselves and attacking children at will. No question.

Yes but my point is, is this behaviour 'their culture?

WinnyThePoo

Black culture?

pablo128

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Yes but my point is, is this behaviour 'their culture?

Jesus, its sarcasm. A pisstake on the travellers themselves claiming its their culture. I would have thought it was obvious.

Auntie Semite

pablo128 wrote: »

Jesus, its sarcasm. A pisstake on the travellers themselves claiming its their culture. I would have thought it was obvious.

Apologies!

Auntie Semite

The mother of the 14 year old victim is apparently on Facebook trying to organise a march on the Dail to protest these gangs.
I support her 100%

Effects

Auntie Semite wrote: »

The mother of the 14 year old victim is apparently on Facebook trying to organise a march on the Dail to protest these gangs.
I support her 100%

Got a link?

Auntie Semite

Effects wrote: »

Got a link?

Not on Facebook myself, a friend sent it to me.

This is what they sent, not saying its true, I have no way of checking as I don't have a Facebook account.

hi suzanne my name is paula larkin my son 14 was viciously attacked in ashbourne on friday night by a group of 40 thugs who travelled by bus to ashbourne to do harm with knives an weapons my poor son was the innocent one who was kicked beaten stood on punched repeatedly then tried to use a knife on him till the guards came i want to do a March to the dail as this is not the first time these groups have done this as they travel from town to town an i ask u to post this as i want to make this aware to as many as possible thank u

rgodard80a

Auntie Semite wrote: »

The mother of the 14 year old victim is apparently on Facebook trying to organise a march on the Dail to protest these gangs.
I support her 100%

Irish people have been going to politicians homes protesting.

We should be marching on these gangs tax payer funded homes to protest at their childrens behaviour.

Richard Hillman

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Black culture?

London Afro-Carribean culture. The gang members highlighted on related Facebook posts all have strong links to London.

GinAndBitter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTW56yTjnVY

The mother of the young lad that got attacked just posted this on her Facebook, apparently some of the scum that attacked her son are in this video.

Auntie Semite

GinAndBitter wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTW56yTjnVY

The mother of the young lad that got attacked just posted this on her Facebook, apparently some of the scum that attacked her son are in this video.

Wonderful Irish vernacular there..

GinAndBitter

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Wonderful Irish vernacular there..

It's an awful shame that shìte made it to this island of ours.