Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

recedite

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

My worry is we are headed for a place like Sweden is in....i.e trouble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO9vBHZRBQ4

The attack by mobility scooter guy at the end is sad but quite funny at the same time.
Probably some old guy who was born and raised in Rinkby, and has seen his town destroyed over the years.
Pushed to the point where he just does not care about the consequences any more.

Ulysses Gaze

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

My worry is we are headed for a place like Sweden is in....i.e trouble.

It's a numbers game (unless you believe we are somehow attracting a higher calibre of aylsum seeker/migrant). If someone can tell me what we are doing better that avoids the trouble that every other western country on the continent is experiencing i'd love to hear it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO9vBHZRBQ4

My main concern, and I have said it over and over in relation to Irish scumbaggery, is that we don't have a proper functioning police force or a justice system. Other countries do and they are struggling to cope. It does not get better from here if you look at the experience on the continent.

I don't believe for a second this country could cope.

Going on other European experience especially Paris and many many other cities I think we have problems coming very soon and this thread is pretty sad really because it is only the start and there won't be an end.

Maybe i'm totally wrong and I hope I am but I don't think so...

I don't blame the asylum seekers here at all.

I blame the same old bunch of Middle Class "Socialists" that have invited asylum seekers into the country only to throw them into ghettos without proper supports and throw a few shiny pennies at them.

Then these self same "Socialists" give themselves a great big clap on the back for doing something that makes them "feel good".

Proper integration would require a proper redistribution of asylum seekers into middle class suburbs to live beside the middle classes, go to school with the middle class kids and socialise with them.

That would actually water the seeds of ambition amongst asylum seekers, let them feel less resentment towards the society that has invited them into their country and foster integration.

If anything, Asylum Seekers have been sold a pup by Middle Class "Socialists" so that the latter can pontificate to others about how virtuous they are.

completedit

Jesus that is so well said

Pkiernan

Giveaway wrote: »

The Irish people have a history for sorting things out despite the governing authority. The current justice system will be forced to up its game or it will be replaced. The justice system replacing it won,t be mindless vigilantism either
Edit with the current commitment to europe a continental style criminal justice system based on the code napolean would have merit, especialy a judge directing the investigation of serious crime

Name one thing we've sorted out.

We live in the most consequence free country on the planet.

biko

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I don't blame the asylum seekers here at all.

I do blame the immigrants.
It may be the socialists inviting them to the country but the crimes and violence is done by the immigrants, not the socialists.

Kivaro

I had to look into the authenticity of the video just in case it was clickbait.
It was indeed 60 Minutes (the Australian version), which is Australia's leading current affairs program on television.
The reporter on the footage stated that there were 55 declared no-go zones inSweden, and that footage was from way back in early 2016. The Australian crew were later accused of working with anti-refugee groups, which is something we see here ............ i.e. if you ask questions about the not-so-rosy reality of non-EU economic migration, then you are deemed alt-right, a Nazi, a racist etc.

That footage should be an eye-opener for policy makers here, but as was pointed out before, the Irish government believe that we will not make the same mistakes as other resource-rich countries like Sweden and Germany. We will somehow get it right ..... even though our existing housing/hospital/social welfare/mental health/childcare services are already stretched to breaking point.

suicide_circus

recedite wrote: »

The attack by mobility scooter guy at the end is sad but quite funny at the same time.

****ing hilarious

GinAndBitter

suicide_circus wrote: »

****ing hilarious

Took the legs off him :pac:

I'd say the old dude ended up hurt though.

suicide_circus

Kivaro wrote: »

That footage should be an eye-opener for policy makers here

Policy makers? there is not a single person in the civil service who is tasked to ponder these questions, i guarantee it. they may react once it's far too late but there is certainly no planning or forward thinking in this area.

1641

The Gardai seem quite aware that issues such as this are being used as a wedge by extremists to stir up racial hatred - and we can't pretend not to know where that leads for some individuals, whether slightly unhinged or not.

"Gardaí responsible for monitoring several websites and online personalities with a history of spreading racism and inciting hatred among Irish web users have noted a recent increase in activity.

Many of the websites are based in the US making combating them difficult due to strong freedom of speech protections in that country, said Insp David McInerney of the Garda Racial, Intercultural and Diversity Office (Grido).

Others frequently change their names and IP addresses, making monitoring much more difficult.

“There are certain groups out there who like to stir up racial hatred and we have to be watching that all the time,” he said.

“These are certain individuals who come up time and time again. We know people who are at this all the time. They move on, they change the name of the site and then they start again.

“They’re inciting hatred, just trying to get people’s back up all the time,” Insp McInerney said, following a spate of online racial abuse directed at the Black-Irish community in response to reports of anti-social behaviour by groups of black youths in west Dublin and Meath.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda-monitoring-websites-and-online-activists-for-hate-speech-1.3827772

suicide_circus

^^^ seem to more concerned with the online reaction to these gang attacks than the actual attacks

1641

suicide_circus wrote: »

^^^ seem to more concerned with the online reaction to these gang attacks than the actual attacks

They are not mutually exclusive. Hopefully they are concerned about both.

Pkiernan

1641 wrote: »

They are not mutually exclusive. Hopefully they are concerned about both.

Since the online version requires barely any effort from our boys in blue, it's safe to say which one they'll be concentrating on.

pablo128

suicide_circus wrote: »

^^^ seem to more concerned with the online reaction to these gang attacks than the actual attacks

That's the first thing I thought when I read it too.

1641

Pkiernan wrote: »

Since the online version requires barely any effort from our boys in blue, it's safe to say which one they'll be concentrating on.

I don't think its safe to say at all - at least what you probably mean by that.
Do you not have any concern about the unscrupulous using these issues to stir up racial hatred?

pablo128

1641 wrote: »

I don't think its safe to say at all - at least what you probably mean by that.
Do you not have any concern about the unscrupulous using these issues to stir up racial hatred?

There's no one on here saying they hate blacks. But they are condemning what a black gang or gangs are doing, and discussing it on this thread. I don't see anyone stirring up hatred for black people.

mad muffin

Why did China put a ban on importing garbage? Because they have more than enough of their own.

Zorya

1641 wrote: »

I don't think its safe to say at all - at least what you probably mean by that.
Do you not have any concern about the unscrupulous using these issues to stir up racial hatred?

There is hatred everywhere, from all sides. Best ignored, while one endeavours to think for oneself. For example this morning on Twitter I saw a post by someone from the ''left'' who responded to a woman supporting female spaces against male appropriation, eg sports, toilets, hostels etc, by saying to them that they wished they could take a sh!te down their throat. Rape threats, death threats, doxxing of people, these are all fairly common from the righteous side of the field. Kathy Griffin called for the Covington teens to be doxxed. And they were. Right-on lefty celebs have called for Trump to be assassinated. There are no goodies when it comes to the ideologically possessed of any ilk.

JPCN1

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I don't blame the asylum seekers here at all.

I blame the same old bunch of Middle Class "Socialists" that have invited asylum seekers into the country only to throw them into ghettos without proper supports and throw a few shiny pennies at them.

Then these self same "Socialists" give themselves a great big clap on the back for doing something that makes them "feel good".

Proper integration would require a proper redistribution of asylum seekers into middle class suburbs to live beside the middle classes, go to school with the middle class kids and socialise with them.

That would actually water the seeds of ambition amongst asylum seekers, let them feel less resentment towards the society that has invited them into their country and foster integration.

If anything, Asylum Seekers have been sold a pup by Middle Class "Socialists" so that the latter can pontificate to others about how virtuous they are.

The great asylum seeker/welfare tourist lottery... Which ones get to live in middle class areas? Who decides. Should we be giving out houses on Ailesbury road? Who is going to tell Margaret Cash?

1641

Zorya wrote: »

There is hatred everywhere, from all sides........... There are no goodies when it comes to the ideologically possessed of any ilk.

Completely agree.

pablo128 wrote: »

There's no one on here saying they hate blacks. But they are condemning what a black gang or gangs are doing, and discussing it on this thread. I don't see anyone stirring up hatred for black people.

Discussing the issue is perfectly legit in itself.
I haven't followed most of the 155 pages so far, but just looking back over the past few pages alone there are several racist comments re black people per se. And the broader point being that there are ideologically motivated extremists using issues such as this to stir up racial hatred generally - though they have no interest in the issue itself, as in resolving it. They are delighted by it.

recedite

1641 wrote: »

The Gardai seem quite aware that issues such as this are being used as a wedge by extremists to stir up racial hatred - and we can't pretend not to know where that leads for some individuals, whether slightly unhinged or not.

"Gardaí responsible for monitoring several websites and online personalities with a history of spreading racism and inciting hatred among Irish web users have noted a recent increase in activity.

Many of the websites are based in the US making combating them difficult due to strong freedom of speech protections in that country, said Insp David McInerney of the Garda Racial, Intercultural and Diversity Office (Grido).

Others frequently change their names and IP addresses, making monitoring much more difficult.

“There are certain groups out there who like to stir up racial hatred and we have to be watching that all the time,” he said.

“These are certain individuals who come up time and time again. We know people who are at this all the time. They move on, they change the name of the site and then they start again.

“They’re inciting hatred, just trying to get people’s back up all the time,” Insp McInerney said, following a spate of online racial abuse directed at the Black-Irish community in response to reports of anti-social behaviour by groups of black youths in west Dublin and Meath.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda-monitoring-websites-and-online-activists-for-hate-speech-1.3827772

The whole article seems like a rant by a particular Garda against the concept of Freedom of Speech. The USA is not a rogue state.

Kermit.de.frog

1641 wrote: »

Discussing the issue is perfectly legit in itself.
I haven't followed most of the 155 pages so far, but just looking back over the past few pages alone there are several racist comments re black people per se. And the broader point being that there are ideologically motivated extremists using issues such as this to stir up racial hatred generally - though they have no interest in the issue itself, as in resolving it. They are delighted by it.

I think that gang who beat up the young lad from Ashbourne, stole his birthday money and took his phone then put the vid of their bravery online are doing quite alright stirring up racial hatred to be honest.

1641

recedite wrote: »

The whole article seems like a rant by a particular Garda against the concept of Freedom of Speech. The USA is not a rogue state.

There is not the slightest suggestion there of the US being a "rogue state". They do, however, under the First Amendment, have very strong freedom of speech laws. People can post stuff there -including inflammatory hate stuff - more freely. Whether that is good or bad is another issue. Also, as it is another jurisdiction it is even more difficult for authorities here to do anything about it.


Right wing agitators are using wedge issues around the world to promote division and strife. Just as Islamist agitators are doing with their "issues". And both are quite happy when they radicalise a "lone wolf" - anywhere in the world.



Maybe this is a price worth paying for absolute "freedom of speech".

1641

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think that gang who beat up the young lad from Ashbourne, stole his birthday money and took his phone then put the vid of their bravery online are doing quite alright stirring up racial hatred to be honest.

Who doesn't hate crime and thuggery? Why has it morphed into a generalised "black" thing, ie, racial hatred?

mynamejeff

recedite wrote: »

The whole article seems like a rant by a particular Garda against the concept of Freedom of Speech. The USA is not a rogue state.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6128255/Mother-murdered-girl-13-condemns-Facebook-refusing-handover-password-suspect.html

https://thenextweb.com/facebook/2018/11/28/aclu-demands-fbi-explain-request-to-wiretap-facebook-messenger/

or do you think maybe its this kind of thing he has a issue with ?

Wibbs

1641 wrote: »

I haven't followed most of the 155 pages so far, but just looking back over the past few pages alone there are several racist comments re black people per se.

Please point them out.

not yet

1641 wrote: »

Who doesn't hate crime and thuggery? Why has it morphed into a generalised "black" thing, ie, racial hatred?

It hasn't 'morphed' into anything, The facts are the following..

Young black youths are causing havoc in multiple areas, this issue is getting worse, as seen in Ashbourne. MSM are not reporting these issues for whatever reason. I live in one of these areas, and can tell you as fact, people are extremely worried where this will lead in years to come.

People are entitled to discuss these issues on an open, public forum.

Kermit.de.frog

1641 wrote: »

Who doesn't hate crime and thuggery? Why has it morphed into a generalised "black" thing, ie, racial hatred?

It hasn't. These gangs happen to be black. By in large most posts have been about asylum seekers and have not even mentioned skin color. You're the one bringing it up.

MrFresh

not yet wrote: »

It hasn't 'morphed' into anything, The facts are the following..

Young black youths are causing havoc in multiple areas, this issue is getting worse, as seen in Ashbourne. MSM are not reporting these issues for whatever reason. I live in one of these areas, and can tell you as fact, people are extremely worried where this will lead in years to come.

People are entitled to discuss these issues on an open, public forum.

Why do you think these gangs of black youths are more worthy of discussion than the gangs of youths of any other colour?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It hasn't. These gangs happen to be black. By in large most posts have been about asylum seekers and have not even mentioned skin color. You're the one bringing it up.

What have asylum seekers got to do with it?

1641

[QUOTE=not yet;109697681
People are entitled to discuss these issues on an open, public forum.[/QUOTE]


Absolutely, I've said that:


Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo128
But they are condemning what a black gang or gangs are doing, and discussing it on this thread.


Discussing the issue is perfectly legit in itself.

not yet

MrFresh wrote: »

Why do you think these gangs of black youths are more worthy of discussion than the gangs of youths of any other colour?




Maybe it's because they travel in large numbers to intimidate locals, something I have never seen in my lifetime..

Maybe it's because people feel their parents were given a great opportunity in this Country and this is how it's repaid..

Maybe people are genuinely worried about where this could lead, Black gangs are synonymous with knife crime in London..

Or maybe it's because I'm a Londoner, who knows !!

MrFresh

not yet wrote: »

Maybe it's because they travel in large numbers to intimidate locals, something I have never seen in my lifetime..

You've never seen large gangs of white youths in your lifetime?

not yet

MrFresh wrote: »

You've never seen large gangs of white youths in your lifetime?

Did you miss 'travel' by any chance...?

Blueshoe

Zorya wrote: »

There is hatred everywhere, from all sides. Best ignored, while one endeavours to think for oneself. For example this morning on Twitter I saw a post by someone from the ''left'' who responded to a woman supporting female spaces against male appropriation, eg sports, toilets, hostels etc, by saying to them that they wished they could take a sh!te down their throat. Rape threats, death threats, doxxing of people, these are all fairly common from the righteous side of the field. Kathy Griffin called for the Covington teens to be doxxed. And they were. Right-on lefty celebs have called for Trump to be assassinated. There are no goodies when it comes to the ideologically possessed of any ilk.

Remember all of the "celebrities" who said they would move to Canada if Trump won. Lol

daveville30

Plenty of polish and Lithuanian teenagers in the country that where born here are not going around causing trouble. Whats going on in balbriggan and the likes is them wanting to be gangsters. Thug life and all that.

GinAndBitter

daveville30 wrote: »

Plenty of polish and Lithuanian teenagers in the country that where born here are not going around causing trouble. Whats going on in balbriggan and the likes is them wanting to be gangsters. Thug life and all that.

It's culture, fam.

not yet

daveville30 wrote: »

Plenty of polish and Lithuanian teenagers in the country that where born here are not going around causing trouble. Whats going on in balbriggan and the likes is them wanting to be gangsters. Thug life and all that.

But it's not meant to be up for discussion simply because they are black.

The usual bollo0x is thrown out there..

Pkiernan

1641 wrote: »

I don't think its safe to say at all - at least what you probably mean by that.
Do you not have any concern about the unscrupulous using these issues to stir up racial hatred?

No.
Only far left nutters bring race in to it.

These criminal should be arrested and if eligible deported.

daveville30

Along with the 180 non eu taxi drivers who where using fake licences

GinAndBitter

https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2019/03/14/news/irish-news/car-wash-war-tallaght/amp

Looks like those who carried out the attack on the African man in Tallaght are eastern Europeans.

1641

Pkiernan wrote: »

No.
Only far left nutters bring race in to it.

These criminal should be arrested and if eligible deported.

Are you serious ? The far right nutters are delighted with this - a great way to whip up racial division and hatred. Any before anyone says so, no that doesn't mean that these gangs can't be discussed.

MrFresh

not yet wrote: »

Did you miss 'travel' by any chance...?

Travel where? Have you never been to Finglas or Ballyfermot? There are often gangs of young white youths around, especially in the evenings. They aren't doing the trashtag challenge either. It's pretty telling that this is such a big issue for some people when they are more bothered by youths doing bad things when their parents might be foreign.

1641

GinAndBitter wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2019/03/14/news/irish-news/car-wash-war-tallaght/amp

Looks like those who carried out the attack on the African man in Tallaght are eastern Europeans.

Well, I'm sure if they did it was just incidental. Noone will suggest that it was related to their "culture" or "nature" or "genetics" - East Europeans that is. :rolleyes:

MrFresh

GinAndBitter wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2019/03/14/news/irish-news/car-wash-war-tallaght/amp

Looks like those who carried out the attack on the African man in Tallaght are eastern Europeans.

It's just people being blind to what doesn't suit them. 10/15 years ago you'd have the same people arguing against all the Polish people. And there absolutely were gangs of Eastern Europeans around. They stuck together as new immigrants tend to do.

GinAndBitter

MrFresh wrote: »

It's just people being blind to what doesn't suit them. 10/15 years ago you'd have the same people arguing against all the Polish people. And there absolutely were gangs of Eastern Europeans around. They stuck together as new immigrants tend to do.

Polish and other immigrants still do stick together from what i see, that isn't the problem. The problem is gangs of Africans travelling around north Dublin robbing and assaulting Irish people.

MrFresh

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Polish and other immigrants still do stick together from what i see, that isn't the problem. The problem is gangs of Africans travelling around north Dublin robbing and assaulting Irish people.

Aren't many of them born in Ireland?

spurious

The problem is parenting.

Whether the little sh1ts are African, Irish, Polish or whatever. Lazy parents will not know or care where their darlings are. Will not ask any questions when they come home with money or a new (or different) phone, bicycle, jacket, set of trainers.

It's nothing new. Ask any shop owner in Dublin city about gangs (or groups of young lads, if 'gangs' sounds too alarmist) coming in and clearing them out. That's gangs of non-Africans, for years, nothing new.

Until there is some incentive (or disincentive) for people to adjust their parenting style, it will go on.

not yet

MrFresh wrote: »

Travel where? Have you never been to Finglas or Ballyfermot? There are often gangs of young white youths around, especially in the evenings. They aren't doing the trashtag challenge either. It's pretty telling that this is such a big issue for some people when they are more bothered by youths doing bad things when their parents might be foreign.

Ha Ha, Listen pal, I'm from the inner city and have lived in a lot of working class areas, so don't try lecture me on Ballyfermot or Finglas..

You have whatever agenda suits your narrative, I'm not reading anymore of your bullsh1t.

GinAndBitter

MrFresh wrote: »

Aren't many of them born in Ireland?

Not sure, what I do know is a lot of them speak with English accents. Make of that what you will

not yet

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Polish and other immigrants still do stick together from what i see, that isn't the problem. The problem is gangs of Africans travelling around north Dublin robbing and assaulting Irish people.

Some people would have you believe it's not a problem.