Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

Boggles

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I advise listening to Niall Boylan if you want honesty from our radio presenters.

EdgeLord!

Patrick2010

Not in Balbriggan but Tallaght...

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/shocking-video-shows-warring-thugs-16035394

SporadicMan

SporadicMan wrote: »

The country is ****ed.

How can anyone be positive about the future with all this in mind? What the **** are we doing with our immigration policies?

What'll the next census figures look like for Irish population?

To be honest I am more concerned with the numbers not included in the census.

I can't imagine a lot of illegal migrants putting much energy and honesty into filling out the form.

not yet

SporadicMan wrote: »

The country is ****ed.

How can anyone be positive about the future with all this in mind? What the **** are we doing with our immigration policies?

What'll the next census figures look like for Irish population?

By all accounts Leo wants it 50/50 by 2040. I honestly have no issues with people coming here to work, I also have no issues with genuine asylum seekers, but I do think we should look at the figures and keep them at a manageable levels.

We are a small country on the edge of Europe with a population under 5 million, at what point will the scales tip over to be outnumbered ? now I know some folk will say it's one world and we all own it etc etc, but I believe a country has the right to keep immigration to manageable levels, is that racist..

Boggles

not yet wrote: »

By all accounts Leo wants it 50/50 by 2040

Really, all accounts? Link?

GinAndBitter

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Not in Balbriggan but Tallaght...

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/shocking-video-shows-warring-thugs-16035394

"Two car loads of local men" hahahahah

Zillah

not yet wrote: »

By all accounts Leo wants it 50/50 by 2040.

Is there absolutely anything to support this assertion?

Galwayguy35

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I advise listening to Niall Boylan if you want honesty from our radio presenters.

Just said there he spoke out and congratulated the gards for stopping a bus yesterday and detaining to African men who had no i.d.

A complaint has been put in against him by the immigration council of Ireland and they asked him to take down his tweet.

Well he just let rip at them there and told it unlike anyone else has the balls too.

Only one worth listening too on radio.

Was on break earlier and I heard this, Boylan is the only presenter who has the balls to stand up to these gobsh1tes.

MrFresh

Kivaro wrote: »

Curiously, I've seen that exact same response on boards before as if it somehow mitigated Sinn Fein's open border stance.
That racism policy has zero to do with their Sinn Fein's stated open border stance. We continue to hear Sinn Fein representatives advocating for open borders. This repeated response is a poor goalpost movement exercise.

It would seem fairly logical that if a party brings out a new policy document that deals with immigration and don't mention a previous policy, and don't mention it for the next 18 years, it's safe to say it's no longer a policy.

Kivaro wrote: »

I have the sense that, even as a newreg, that you are an expert in how boards works, so you are aware that you can only thank the whole post and not parts of it.
I'm sure that others found the "I'll get my coat , probably see ya'll in a few weeks" funny just like I did. Maybe you should adjust your outrage level a little bit.

As an experienced user you should probably know that that is a poor excuse for thanking a racist joke.

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Only a fùcking idiot would get offended at being referred to by their colour especially by someone of a different colour. Sounds like the taxi man was looking to play the racist card as per usual. I wonder what I'd be called if I was driving a taxi in Lagos.

Or maybe he has just had to put up with a lot of racism and is tired of being reduced to his colour.

Kivaro

MrFresh wrote: »

It would seem fairly logical that if a party brings out a new policy document that deals with immigration and don't mention a previous policy, and don't mention it for the next 18 years, it's safe to say it's no longer a policy.

I wonder if you even read the new Sinn Fein's policy document that you quoted.
Especially the bit where Sinn Fein calls for amnesty for asylum seekers instead of deportations. And the even more ludicrous bit where Sinn Fein states that "there can be no limit on the number of asylum seekers" in Ireland.

If this is their new policy, then I think it's even worse than the old one.

It seems that the usual crowd on here who want to close down any discussion on migrants/refugees were able to get the thread title changed. The idea of having a two-side discussion on these types of topics drive the New Liberal Left posters bonkers. Freedom of speech to them equates to only their view being allowed to be posted. I'm sure that they have a list of words that they want censored on boards too, like one of the words that was on the original title of this thread.

enricoh

Yeah, i see the name change. Who changes it? - Mods i presume. I doubt wheeliebin 30 changed it.
Next stop-sent to politics cafe to gather dust!

Wheeliebin30

enricoh wrote: »

Yeah, i see the name change. Who changes it? - Mods i presume. I doubt wheeliebin 30 changed it.
Next stop-sent to politics cafe to gather dust!

Nope wasn’t me.

I was wondering though.

Boggles

Kivaro wrote: »

It seems that the usual crowd on here who want to close down any discussion on migrants/refugees were able to get the thread title changed. The idea of having a two-side discussion on these types of topics drive the New Liberal Left posters bonkers. Freedom of speech to them equates to only their view being allowed to be posted. I'm sure that they have a list of words that they want censored on boards too, like one of the words that was on the original title of this thread.

The Satanist

Patty Hearst wrote: »

Vietnamese man arrested yesterday in Clarehall, after two cars were torched and two men were described as walking around with large knives..described by locals as Meat Cleavers.

You'll notice that the Evening Herald describe the arrested man as Vietnamese but the majority of Media outlets including the Indo, Journal and RTE decline to give a description beyond the mans age.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=25&v=xD2U_JGm-ZI

https://www.herald.ie/news/arson-suspect-held-as-two-cars-torched-outside-family-home-37950940.html

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/video-man-40s-arrested-after-apartment-complex-and-two-cars-set-on-fire-37949055.html

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2019/0325/1038539-clarehall/

I've no idea what the story is with that incident. Lots of Vietnamese folk settled around the Coolock area in the 70s and 80s when we took in some "boat people". I was in school with a few of them; incredibly hard-working and smart lads. I would be very surprised if that incident was simply down to scumbaggery.

AndrewJRenko

not yet wrote: »

By all accounts Leo wants it 50/50 by 2040..

What do you mean? Half of us gay?

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I wonder what I'd be called if I was driving a taxi in Lagos.

Probably Mr Bitter

Patty Hearst

The Satanist wrote: »

I've no idea what the story is with that incident. Lots of Vietnamese folk settled around the Coolock area in the 70s and 80s when we took in some "boat people". I was in school with a few of them; incredibly hard-working and smart lads. I would be very surprised if that incident was simply down to scumbaggery.

Yeah I've no doubt, you hardly ever hear vietnamese mentioned in relation to crime.
My point was that the Media have a tendency to omit the background and physical description of perps when they're non national.

not yet

Patty Hearst wrote: »

Yeah I've no doubt, you hardly ever hear vietnamese mentioned in relation to crime.
My point was that the Media have a tendency to omit the background and physical description of perps when they're non national.

But, but why does it matter...

Patty Hearst

not yet wrote: »

But, but why does it matter...

I think you know...

weldoninhio

Why was the thread title changed??

not yet

Patty Hearst wrote: »

I think you know...

No, Surely a description with all possible details is unimportant..

amcalester

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why was the thread title changed??

Mod bantz.

MrFresh

Kivaro wrote: »

I wonder if you even read the new Sinn Fein's policy document that you quoted.
Especially the bit where Sinn Fein calls for amnesty for asylum seekers instead of deportations. And the even more ludicrous bit where Sinn Fein states that "there can be no limit on the number of asylum seekers" in Ireland.

If this is their new policy, then I think it's even worse than the old one.

It seems that the usual crowd on here who want to close down any discussion on migrants/refugees were able to get the thread title changed. The idea of having a two-side discussion on these types of topics drive the New Liberal Left posters bonkers. Freedom of speech to them equates to only their view being allowed to be posted. I'm sure that they have a list of words that they want censored on boards too, like one of the words that was on the original title of this thread.

So is that you accepting they don't have an open door policy or are you sticking with that claim?

Clytus

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Three men have been arrested for conspiracy to murder as part of an investigation into organised crime in Dublin.

The men, aged between 24 and 38, were arrested in the north inner city and Finglas areas last night.

They are being held at different garda stations in Dublin.

Gardaí say the arrests were made during an ongoing investigation by Special Crime Operations into serious feud-related organised crime activity in Dublin.

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2019/0328/1039086-dublin-gang-crime/

There's a suggestion Flashy was lifted. Anyone hear anything about that?

weldoninhio

amcalester wrote: »

Mod bantz.

Maybe the Boards tagline should be changed from “Now you’re talking” to “Now you’ll talk about only what we want you to talk about”

Hoboo

What a $hit thread title.

Kivaro

As soon as I saw the thread title change, I knew what happened.
To appease the effeminate shrill demands of the voiceous minority posters, the mods figured it made sense to give in to their demands.

Here's the thing though: Boards is now a business. Imagine the click-throughs, the subscriptions, the advertiser support ..... if Boards actually depicted a majority view; rather than the closed minority view .... it may develop into a profitable business. The same rules would apply i.e. don't be a dickhead. If you post racist views; then not only are you are a dickhead, but you are banned from not only boards, but from life itself.
Easy peasy rules.

It's up to to Boards. Common sense rules, or be beholden to the the shrill voices of intolerant posters. Even if Boards bans all impartial discussion, what's next? It will never be sufficient for the Varadkars/Coveneys of the world.

sk8erboii

Kivaro wrote: »

I wonder if you even read the new Sinn Fein's policy document that you quoted.
Especially the bit where Sinn Fein calls for amnesty for asylum seekers instead of deportations. And the even more ludicrous bit where Sinn Fein states that "there can be no limit on the number of asylum seekers" in Ireland.

If this is their new policy, then I think it's even worse than the old one.

It seems that the usual crowd on here who want to close down any discussion on migrants/refugees were able to get the thread title changed. The idea of having a two-side discussion on these types of topics drive the New Liberal Left posters bonkers. Freedom of speech to them equates to only their view being allowed to be posted. I'm sure that they have a list of words that they want censored on boards too, like one of the words that was on the original title of this thread.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Absolute state of this post.


I mean seriously. Youre acting like civil rights have been violated.

Maybe its time to rise up? George soros has gone too far this time.

hatrickpatrick

Since we apparently can't jail violent scumbags in this country, would anyone else be in favour of electronic tagging and real-time GPS monitoring of individuals with multiple convictions for random acts of violence, gang activity, or serious violent crime (organised or otherwise)? So that a Garda station, when getting reports of an incident like this, could pull up a Google Maps -esque application on their wall and get a rewindable (for at least several days) "live map" of where known scumbags are? That would help to narrow down the suspects in repeat offences (if they're present at the time of the incident, and especially if they're present in the company of other known scumbag associates), and ideally would be enough evidence to arrest them and, with perhaps a little further evidence to be collected, charge them at the very least with a criminal conspiracy offence. I'm all about civil liberties as any old-timers here will know very well, but the idea that one forfeits some civil liberties after committing a serious crime is the bedrock of a justice system. I don't see why 24/7 surveillance of this kind for people with multiple violence-based convictions should be considered unreasonable, and with recent advantages in technology it would be both ridiculously easy to implement on a software level, and probably fairly cheap to implement the hardware. We already have electronic tagging, this would just link it up to a live map, the same way as "Find My iPhone" works when you log in to iCloud after losing your phone.

I for one would have no problem at all with this being used as evidence in court, IE "We had reports of a 20-strong gang of thugs running amok in Portmarnock lack night, and after consulting with the live convict map we identified twelve individuals with known proclivities for violence who were present at the scene around the time the reported incidents occurred" and this, along with other evidence, being considered a reasonable grounds to convict these people on conspiracy charges.

Conspiracy in Irish law is flexible by design, it's laid out in the Criminal Justice Act 2006 and doesn't even require the prosecution to prove that an individual actually committed or planned to personally commit an overt act - it merely requires proof that the individual in question conspired with others to commit an overt act. In this context, these gangs should essentially be treated the same way as proscribed organisations are.

It would be controversial and would require extremely robust legislation to ensure that it wasn't open to abuse by the authorities, and also to ensure that it couldn't be challenged as unconstitutional. But I for one believe there would be widespread public support for it. The monitoring wouldn't necessarily last forever or even for a massive length of time either - I'm basically just saying that the era of criminals committing crimes, and then being described in subsequent media reporting of the aforementioned crimes as "known to the Gardaí" has to end. People who are "known to the Gardaí" in this manner should have pre-emptive steps taken, live surveillance tracking being one possibility, to ensure that they do not continue their litany of criminal behaviour.

EDIT: Wow, the feckin' Brits are a bit ahead of me here They're rolling out something similar with electronic tagging, albeit apparently without the legal aspect of conspiracy charges:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47256515

Sunny Disposition

Liberal idiocy is gone very far, see it around immigration policy for sure. Casey was a warning to the political elite, start exercising common sense or the people will turn to someone who will.

Esel

Patty Hearst wrote: »

Yeah I've no doubt, you hardly ever hear vietnamese mentioned in relation to crime.

Apart from tending indoor cannabis farms. What's that all about?

Wibbs

They like gardening?

Wanderer78

Sunny Disposition wrote:

Liberal idiocy is gone very far, see it around immigration policy for sure. Casey was a warning to the political elite, start exercising common sense or the people will turn to someone who will.

Casey is an arsehole, exercising political populism, for his own gains, and people lapped it up. It ll rare it's ugly head again in the next elections.

MrFresh

Kivaro wrote: »

As soon as I saw the thread title change, I knew what happened.
To appease the effeminate shrill demands of the voiceous minority posters, the mods figured it made sense to give in to their demands.

You're the kind of person who uses "soyboy" as an insult aren't you?

Kivaro wrote: »

Here's the thing though: Boards is now a business. Imagine the click-throughs, the subscriptions, the advertiser support ..... if Boards actually depicted a majority view; rather than the closed minority view .... it may develop into a profitable business. The same rules would apply i.e. don't be a dickhead. If you post racist views; then not only are you are a dickhead, but you are banned from not only boards, but from life itself.
Easy peasy rules.

People like you always think they are in the majority when you are actually just a very loud minority. Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, Tommy Robinson. You all think you are talking for the sensible people of the world but in reality you are only in a bubble of self congratulation.

Kivaro wrote: »

It's up to to Boards. Common sense rules, or be beholden to the the shrill voices of intolerant posters. Even if Boards bans all impartial discussion, what's next? It will never be sufficient for the Varadkars/Coveneys of the world.

Common sense would dictate a business avoid the kind of racist ignorance we've seen in this thread. They give ye fairly wide latitude with your posts. More so than many other places would I think.

Beechwoodspark

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Only a fùcking idiot would get offended at being referred to by their colour especially by someone of a different colour. Sounds like the taxi man was looking to play the racist card as per usual. I wonder what I'd be called if I was driving a taxi in Lagos.

exactly they don’t hold back there. Friend of mine was called Every name under the sun on a recent stopover in Lagos.

He said it was shocking. From the taxi men at the airport to the restaurant and jostling and general aggression from randomers in the street there was a lot of hostility and insults often in pidgin English.

Said it was a level worse than anything you would get in Europe.

MrFresh

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

exactly they don’t hold back there. Friend of mine was called Every name under the sun on a recent stopover in Lagos.

He said it was shocking. From the taxi men at the airport to the restaurant and randomers in the street there was a lot of hostility and insults often in pidgin English.

Said it was a level worse than anything you would get in Europe.

Exactly, so if it is so bad, why would it be ok here on the other side? The posters argument is basically, "white people get treated badly in Africa so it's ok to be racist here,"

Beechwoodspark

MrFresh wrote: »

Exactly, so if it is so bad, why would it be ok here on the other side? The posters argument is basically, "white people get treated badly in Africa so it's ok to be racist here,"

I think my point is it’s actually way worse over there. I am not commenting about here in this country.

MrFresh

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I think my point is it’s actually way worse over there. I am not commenting about here in this country.

My point is that it doesn't matter. We shouldn't hold ourselves to lower standards out of some sense of balance.

weldoninhio

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

exactly they don’t hold back there. Friend of mine was called Every name under the sun on a recent stopover in Lagos.

He said it was shocking. From the taxi men at the airport to the restaurant and jostling and general aggression from randomers in the street there was a lot of hostility and insults often in pidgin English.

Said it was a level worse than anything you would get in Europe.

You've an anecdote for every topic on Boards it seems.

not yet

MrFresh wrote: »

Exactly, so if it is so bad, why would it be ok here on the other side? The posters argument is basically, "white people get treated badly in Africa so it's ok to be racist here,"

See...

That's your problem right there. White people get treated 'badly' in Africa so it's ok to be racist here.

Why not call it as it fcuking is, If it's racism here, it's racism there. You can stick one rule for them etc up your hoop..

harry Bailey esq

MrFresh wrote: »

Can I ask why you thanked the racist comment about bananas?

Jaysus corner of hells made a witty remark, I didn't see any malice in it. It could have been a plantain for christsakes. Or a misshapen carrot for that matter, in which case he'd be accused of being racist against himself. Don't beat me master... I won't run again. That's an example of a comment a racist might make, not a joke about some prick waving a poxy banana/plantain/carrot/leek around the place like a spa.

Boggles

not yet wrote: »

That's your problem right there. White people get treated 'badly' in Africa so it's ok to be racist here.

Do they though?

I mean we seem to be basing that on one anecdote that probably didn't happen.

bigpink

Is it racist to be disappointed that the new Irish are acting like this in our country?
It doesn’t help the decent African community either

98q76e12hrflnk

bigpink wrote: »

Is it racist to be disappointed that the new Irish are acting like this in our country?
It doesn’t help the decent African community either

They not really Irish though are they?

Just got a citizenship.

squawker

No Blacks

No Dogs

No Irish

How quickly we forget

topper75

bigpink wrote: »

...
It doesn’t help the decent African community either

Exactly. Flippancy will have consequences. How the state handles such things at the outset has potentially longer term consequences. Must get this right and send out the clear message: not acceptable here.

rgodard80a

squawker wrote: »

No Blacks

No Dogs

No Irish

How quickly we forget

How quickly we roll out cliches too.
There's serious crime/violence problems with blacks in America, so were they wrong?

Although they brought that upon themselves with the history of slavery.

Deebles McBeebles

declan2693 wrote: »

They not really Irish though are they?

Just got a citizenship.

As Irish as Bundee Aki.

James Brown

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

exactly they don’t hold back there. Friend of mine was called Every name under the sun on a recent stopover in Lagos.

He said it was shocking. From the taxi men at the airport to the restaurant and jostling and general aggression from randomers in the street there was a lot of hostility and insults often in pidgin English.

Said it was a level worse than anything you would get in Europe.

He sounds like a right arse. Was he hurling abuse or just flicking V's at everyone?

James Brown

declan2693 wrote: »

They not really Irish though are they?

Just got a citizenship.

Anyone called Fitzgerald is as Irish as can be in my book, despite coming from immigrants.

GinAndBitter

MrFresh wrote: »

Exactly, so if it is so bad, why would it be ok here on the other side? The posters argument is basically, "white people get treated badly in Africa so it's ok to be racist here,"

That wasn't really my point, I'd expect to be referred to as a white man in Lagos the capital of a predominantly black country, I wouldn't cry racism like the taxi driver did in the video. There was no racism in that video. In fact the only person in the video that came close to being racist was the taxi driver himself.