Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

MrFresh

biko wrote: »

How come you had a screwdriver on you?

That's the number 1

Blueshoe

MrFresh wrote: »

You mean your customs and traditions. Irelands is a country of millions of natives and the customs and traditions are certainly not homogenous across them all.

Must be sad to have no sense of belonging

not yet

italodisco wrote: »

I grew up in north inner city, trust me, as scary as they look one good clatter would put a junkie out of action for hours.

Its the gangs of 16 to 25 yr old tracksuit scruffs that are dangerous, usually float around temple bar on a saturday night.

Grew up around the markets, I've yet to meet a junkie that could kick snow off a rope. It's the little cardboard gangsters that are the dangerous ones.

pablo128

Dannyriver wrote: »

Absolutely myopic way of looking at complex socio cultural issues...which places in Ireland are you talking about that you don t want changed... Darndale or Balls bridge I'm suspecting a certain amout of snobbery off u so I presume the latter.

Are you happy for immigrants to come over here and practise female genital mutilation? What about Sharia law? How about stoning adulterers to death? You know, the kind of customs they might have where they fled from?

Blueshoe

pablo128 wrote: »

Are you happy for immigrants to come over here and practise female genital mutilation? What about Sharia law? How about stoning adulterers to death? You know, the kind of customs they might have where they fled from?

They don't like the gays either

gw80

pablo128 wrote: »

Are you happy for immigrants to come over here and practise female genital mutilation? What about Sharia law? How about stoning adulterers to death? You know, the kind of customs they might have where they fled from?

Dont you get it, immigrants are just better than us.
No matter where they are from or what their customs and culture is like,
Angels the lot of them.

MrFresh

Blueshoe wrote: »

Must be sad to have no sense of belonging

Quite happy to have no cultural attachment to people like yourself.

yourdeadwright

Someone got a lucky escape in donaghmede dublin , shots fired on the green in front of the shopping centre , no one was hit , This was just after 5pm reckless stuff

Beechwoodspark

There are indeed a huge cohort of ppl in Ireland with no cultural attachment to this country.

Gadgetman496

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Someone got a lucky escape in donaghmede dublin , shots fired on the green in front of the shopping centre , no one was hit , This was just after 5pm reckless stuff

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gardai-rush-donaghmede-shopping-centre-16276208

Odelay

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

There are indeed a huge cohort of ppl in Ireland with no cultural attachment to this country.

Many are a great addition, better than some of our locals.

Blueshoe

MrFresh wrote: »

Quite happy to have no cultural attachment to people like yourself.

Well I share Irish culture and am proud of it. You are an outlier. In all aspects of your life I suspect.

Very sad

Hal3000

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4095337/armed-gardai-churchtown-school-dublin/

Everyday more and more violence in Dublin. More and more suspended sentences being dished out too. But it's ok because according to most posters here, we need to understand why firstly rather than sentence harshly. Must say it's going really well, this understanding why business...

Oh to add to that, shots fired today at 5.20pm beside Donaghmede shopping centre. Lovely !!

Odhinn

Hal3000 wrote: »

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4095337/armed-gardai-churchtown-school-dublin/

Everyday more and more violence in Dublin. More and more suspended sentences being dished out too. But it's ok because according to most posters here, we need to understand why firstly rather than sentence harshly. Must say it's going really well, this understanding why business...

Jaysus forbid we react in a reasoned way.

MrFresh

Blueshoe wrote: »

Well I share Irish culture and am proud of it. You are an outlier. In all aspects of your life I suspect.

Very sad

Can you describe what you consider to be Irish culture? What would be the main aspects of it?

not yet

MrFresh wrote: »

Can you describe what you consider to be Irish culture? What would be the main aspects of it?

Drink, drugs and riding your sister..

Rows Grower

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-due-in-court-charged-with-conspiracy-to-murder-924291.html

ACAguy

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4098736/man-court-plot-murder-gary-hanley/

TeaBagMania

MrFresh wrote: »

Can you describe what you consider to be Irish culture? What would be the main aspects of it?

here's a good start... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Ireland

MrFresh

TeaBagMania wrote: »

here's a good start... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Ireland

Not really. That's just a load of traditions generally associated with Ireland. Unless the suggestion is that people who don't like GAA or potatoes don't belong to Irish culture.

TeaBagMania

MrFresh wrote: »

Not really. That's just a load of traditions generally associated with Ireland. Unless the suggestion is that people who don't like GAA or potatoes don't belong to Irish culture.

well please then, enlighten us all on what "real" Irish culture is

Dannyriver

pablo128 wrote: »

Are you happy for immigrants to come over here and practise female genital mutilation? What about Sharia law? How about stoning adulterers to death? You know, the kind of customs they might have where they fled from?

No Im not happy with that at all I wish to keep them all illegal. That s like uneducated brits asking are we happy happy to allow bomb making Irish terrorists in to the UK in the 70's and 80's its so ill informed its laughable.

MrFresh

TeaBagMania wrote: »

well please then, enlighten us all on what "real" Irish culture is

An odd request considering I'm the one who said that Irish culture is not homogenous. I'm not the one insisting immigrants have to adhere to a particular cultural norm.

Dannyriver

TeaBagMania wrote: »

well please then, enlighten us all on what "real" Irish culture is

Culture is not a fixed entity, it is dynamic and fluid. Irish culture 50 years ago is entirely different to what it is today [thank ****] Irish culture has changed dramatically in the last 30 years due to immigration and liberal approaches to diversity. Hope that helps.

topper75

MrFresh wrote: »

Not really. That's just a load of traditions generally associated with Ireland. Unless the suggestion is that people who don't like GAA or potatoes don't belong to Irish culture.

To grow up in Ireland and actively dislike native games would make one an outlier, would it not? To not indulge in typical foods equally so.

The culture of any place is determined by what is typical.

Unless you are suggesting that the culture of a land can only be composed of that which is adhered to by all? That would entail that nowhere has any culture. No true Scotsman etc. Which may appear ludicrous but is actually a goal of some would-be social engineers of a certain persuasion for whom the status quo is always anathema.

Irish culture is real. It cannot be denied. It may change over time but to deny its existence would be dreadfully disingenuous.

TeaBagMania

MrFresh wrote: »

An odd request considering I'm the one who said that Irish culture is not homogenous. I'm not the one insisting immigrants have to adhere to a particular cultural norm.

who said immigrants have to adhere to Irish culture?
Id rather they dont bring their culture with them and shove it down our throats and them scream racists when we say no thank you

i visit Ireland to experience the typical stereotypical Irish culture, even though by your words they are "just a load of traditions" as in from what i can gather by your comment they are just a load of s***e

TeaBagMania

Dannyriver wrote: »

Hope that helps.

It doesn't, i can only speak for myself but id rather the culture 50 years ago minus the raping priests

Dannyriver

Dannyriver wrote: »

Culture is not a fixed entity, it is dynamic and fluid. Irish culture 50 years ago is entirely different to what it is today [thank ****] Irish culture has changed dramatically in the last 30 years due to immigration and liberal approaches to diversity. Hope that helps.

How many aspects of Irish culture have changed dramatically due to good ol' immigration and diversity?

harry Bailey esq

not yet wrote: »

Drink, drugs and riding your sister..

All in that order!

Dannyriver

Deleted User wrote: »

How many aspects of Irish culture have changed dramatically due to good ol' immigration and diversity?

I was taking culture as a singular generic term, we live in a multi cultural society with thousands of new Irish citizens who have brought diverse cultural backgrounds with them coupled with the fact that the catholic influence of yore is almost completely eradicated so of course it has changed dramatically. why do you think it hasn't?

MontgomeryClift

The above disagreement over culture indicates what happens when you take the "as long as they adhere to our culture" line. That's a dead end, and it doesn't address the root of culture, which is race. Irish culture is a product of race.

As foreign races colonise Ireland, the culture of Ireland will change accordingly. That's what this thread is about - A change in culture resulting from a change in race.

MrFresh

topper75 wrote: »

To grow up in Ireland and actively dislike native games would make one an outlier, would it not? To not indulge in typical foods equally so.

The culture of any place is determined by what is typical.

Unless you are suggesting that the culture of a land can only be composed of that which is adhered to by all? That would entail that nowhere has any culture. No true Scotsman etc. Which may appear ludicrous but is actually a goal of some would-be social engineers of a certain persuasion for whom the status quo is always anathema.

Seems to be the opposite of what I have said a number of times.

topper75 wrote: »

Irish culture is real. It cannot be denied. It may change over time but to deny its existence would be dreadfully disingenuous.

So how come nobody can define what it entails? How can immigrants be expected to adhere to Irish culture if people can't define it?

TeaBagMania wrote: »

who said immigrants have to adhere to Irish culture?

This guy.

topper75 wrote: »

I've no beef with foreigners here provided they are:
-here on a legal basis and compliant with our laws
-respectful of our ways and not attempting to move the cultural furniture around to suit themselves (if you don't like our culture, then why would you ever have come here in the first place?)

And many others too.

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Id rather they dont bring their culture with them and shove it down our throats and them scream racists when we say no thank you


i visit Ireland to experience the typical stereotypical Irish culture, even though by your words they are "just a load of traditions" as in from what i can gather by your comment they are just a load of s***e

Can you tell me about an instance where a foreign culture has been shoved down your throat?

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

The above disagreement over culture indicates what happens when you take the "as long as they adhere to our culture" line. That's a dead end, and it doesn't address the root of culture, which is race. Irish culture is a product of race.

As foreign races colonise Ireland, the culture of Ireland will change accordingly. That's what this thread is about - A change in culture resulting from a change in race.

You're right, it is a dead end because it isn't a genuine argument. It's just a smokescreen to conceal racist views like your own.

TeaBagMania

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

As foreign races colonise Ireland, the culture of Ireland will change accordingly.

Is that what the people of Ireland want?

The Gaelic language is on the brink of extinction because of UK colonization in the past, do we want to see the same happen to the Irish traditions due to foreign races immigrating to Ireland?

i fear its already too late due to joining the EU but voting might make a difference

MrFresh

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Is that what the people of Ireland want?

The Gaelic language is on the brink of extinction because of UK colonization in the past, do we want to see the same happen to the Irish traditions due to foreign races immigrating to Ireland?

i fear its already too late due to joining the EU but voting might make a difference

Which traditions are you referring to that immigrants are threatening?

TeaBagMania

Fresh, you're obviously deliberately being obtuse, i wont be replying to anymore of your comments

MontgomeryClift

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Is that what the people of Ireland want?

I'm fairly sure it's not what the people of Ireland want. In fact, no society ever wanted colonisation or diversity, as far as I can tell, but that's what European countries and European colonies are getting.

topper75

MrFresh, nobody said that immigrants have to adhere to Irish culture. I'm not a fascist! I said that they must respect it and not attempt to change it around to suit themselves. Quite different. I speak from experience of Britain where rail signs are written in Southall in foreign languages and where many elderly immigrants refrain from even trying to speak English. We in Ireland should never be brought to such a tipping point.



Can I get an answer for my question: if you don't like our culture, then why would you ever have come here in the first place?

mynamejeff

well this will help with combating gangland and firearms crime in ireland ,


f ing backwards we are going , whats the point ? ?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/law-on-jail-terms-for-repeat-firearms-offenders-struck-down-38114382.html

Dannyriver

topper75 wrote: »

MrFresh, nobody said that immigrants have to adhere to Irish culture. I'm not a fascist! I said that they must respect it and not attempt to change it around to suit themselves. Quite different. I speak from experience of Britain where rail signs are written in Southall in foreign languages and where many elderly immigrants refrain from even trying to speak English. We in Ireland should never be brought to such a tipping point.



Can I get an answer for my question: if you don't like our culture, then why would you ever have come here in the first place?

I never wanted/tried or was forced to adhere to Arabic culture when I spent 6 years in the middle east. I went there for work when there was none here. Nor did I try to learn their language nor did I feel anyone took offence to my non compliance. Why do you think people go to other cultures and not necessarily want to change their own in the process?

expectationlost

mynamejeff wrote: »

well this will help with combating gangland and firearms crime in ireland ,


f ing backwards we are going , whats the point ? ?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/law-on-jail-terms-for-repeat-firearms-offenders-struck-down-38114382.html

back to a country which hasn't "impermissibly crossed the divide in the constitutional separation of powers".

MrFresh

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Fresh, you're obviously deliberately being obtuse, i wont be replying to anymore of your comments

Nothing to do with not having an answer of course. :rolleyes:

topper75 wrote: »

MrFresh, nobody said that immigrants have to adhere to Irish culture. I'm not a fascist! I said that they must respect it and not attempt to change it around to suit themselves. Quite different

Seems pretty similar. But perhaps if you can give an example of immigrants in Ireland trying to change our culture it might help.

topper75 wrote: »

. I speak from experience of Britain where rail signs are written in Southall in foreign languages and where many elderly immigrants refrain from even trying to speak English.



We in Ireland should never be brought to such a tipping point.

You mean they have foreign languages as well as English right? At least that's what the photo shows. An odd thing to be upset about. Would you be similarly upset if signs around landmarks had foreign languages added for the benefit of tourists?

topper75 wrote: »

Can I get an answer for my question: if you don't like our culture, then why would you ever have come here in the first place?

How can I attempt to answer that when the only attempt at defining what our culture is has been a ling to wikipedia? And I assume you are talking about immigrants as opposed to asylum seekers.

Dannyriver

MrFresh wrote: »

Nothing to do with not having an answer of course. :rolleyes:





Seems pretty similar. But perhaps if you can give an example of immigrants in Ireland trying to change our culture it might help.






You mean they have foreign languages as well as English right? At least that's what the photo shows. An odd thing to be upset about. Would you be similarly upset if signs around landmarks had foreign languages added for the benefit of tourists?








How can I attempt to answer that when the only attempt at defining what our culture is has been a ling to wikipedia? And I assume you are talking about immigrants as opposed to asylum seekers.

I'm looking forward to that particular one myself.

Sofiztikated

TeaBagMania wrote: »

who said immigrants have to adhere to Irish culture?
Id rather they dont bring their culture with them and shove it down our throats and them scream racists when we say no thank you

i visit Ireland to experience the typical stereotypical Irish culture, even though by your words they are "just a load of traditions" as in from what i can gather by your comment they are just a load of s***e

So, you visit Ireland, but aren't exactly from here. So you, in yourself, are a foreigner.

Git ta ****.

Blueshoe

Garda probe after teenager stabbed in incident involving a number of youths in south Dublin https://jrnl.ie/4636869

Culprits caught for both stabbings. Both are minorities.

This is how knife culture began in London. We must be very careful going forward. A bit of common sense required

iebamm2580

But they grew up in poverty, blah blah.

Sofiztikated

Blueshoe wrote: »

Garda probe after teenager stabbed in incident involving a number of youths in south Dublin https://jrnl.ie/4636869

Culprits caught for both stabbings. Both are minorities.

This is how knife culture began in London. We must be very careful going forward. A bit of common sense required

You must know more that what is in the papers, no mention of who did either stabbings.

ExoPolitic

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I feel sorry for people who bought houses in Balbriggan. It has been destroyed by semi-feral immigrant teenagers and young adults. A depressing kip of a town.

Hey, they voted for the TD's who have this open door policy, they should live with it.

They wanted it, they got it. No sympathy here.

ExoPolitic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1119c5ZRZY People should watch some of this, a lot of low skilled immigrants come to the west expecting the best, and end up with lives in the gutter often worse than where they came from...

No wonder they turn to crime here.

We in the west need to stop portraying this place as a great land to come to and tell it like it is...

98q76e12hrflnk

Dannyriver wrote: »

I never wanted/tried or was forced to adhere to Arabic culture when I spent 6 years in the middle east. I went there for work when there was none here. Nor did I try to learn their language nor did I feel anyone took offence to my non compliance. Why do you think people go to other cultures and not necessarily want to change their own in the process?

Where did you work exactly, let me guess someplace rich like Dubai where its very multicultural with lots of Europeans where english is widely spoken and learnt by the "locals".

Wibbs

declan2693 wrote: »

Where did you work exactly, let me guess someplace rich like Dubai where its very multicultural with lots of Europeans where english is widely spoken and learnt by the "locals".

and he didn't rock up minus a job asking for citizenship. Which he would almost certainly not get.