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Beechwoodspark wrote: »

What falsehoods?

Don't, He'll grind you down with his version of reality, just don't, you'll only end up smashing your head against a wall..

Beechwoodspark

MrFresh wrote: »

The legislation you were speaking of is already in place and was introduced by a mainstream party.

Deporting young men who have spent most of their lives here and may have residence or even citizenship?

Show me that legislation please?

Or else stop talking absolute scutter

SporadicMan

The sad thing is that I just continue to hold out on some misguided hope that this will all just be sorted out by people 'in charge'.

Yet the sentiment just isn't there. Even in the media, they barely report on it. The general society just doesn't care either.

I feel horrible for the people who have to live in **** areas like Clonee, Tyrellstown, etc.

Even Swords is becoming a bit of a ****hole / dangerous. It was a bit **** in the past but it's getting worse.

I'm a bit fearful for the future here in Dublin. I'm not one to scare easy or scaremonger, but I am not seeing any positives when I look at the youth of the country. These gangs seem fearless, and seem to have zero regard at all for others. These crimes are escalating every time they happen, soon there'll be regular murders and stabbings and we'll go onto accept it as normal. Areas in London didn't magically become like they are now, they got there through lack of sentiment to resolve it early.

I'm scared for my parents. They're getting on now. They live in North Co. Dublin and it terrifies me that their area might end up being riddled with this type of crime too.

MrFresh

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Deporting young men who have spent most of their lives here and may have residence or even citizenship?

Show me that legislation please?

Or else stop talking absolute scutter

Minister has the power to deport non nationals



Immigration Act 1999 Section 3


The power to revoke citizenship has been a power available since the 1956 Act



We even had a referendum to give the government power to deport children born to immigrants in the state.


Last year the government attempted to deport a child to China despite him having no personal connection to the place.


Any other laws you need?

Beechwoodspark

MrFresh wrote: »

Minister has the power to deport non nationals



Immigration Act 1999 Section 3


The power to revoke citizenship has been a power available since the 1956 Act



We even had a referendum to give the government power to deport children born to immigrants in the state.


Last year the government attempted to deport a child to China despite him having no personal connection to the place.


Any other laws you need?

So all these guys will be stripped off their citizenship and sent packing back to wherever yeah?

Yeah right. Stop deluding yerself.

Dirkziggler

tomwaits48 wrote: »

Utter scumbags.

Why exactly none of them kids have a conviction between them.

MrFresh

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

So all these guys will be stripped off their citizenship and sent packing back to wherever yeah?

Yeah right. Stop deluding yerself.

What you're doing now is the logical fallacies of moving the goalposts, strawman argument and reductio ad absurdum. Having realised you were wrong about the legislation and will of government, rather than accept you were wrong, you have instead moved the argument to the extreme claim that all "these guys" will be deported, a claim nobody made. The fact remains that the legislation is there and the government uses it when necessary, as evidenced by the number of asylum refusal, deportation orders and refusals of visas. Maybe if you could narrow down who "these guys" are I could help you understand further.

Beechwoodspark

tayto lover wrote: »

Can these people not be deported if they offend here?
It should also be a condition of entry into the country.
Commit crime and you will be sent back home.

Address the original point please mrfresh

Ps. Read it slowly and carefully before typing your response.

iebamm2580

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/less-than-a-fifth-of-deportation-orders-carried-out-1.3680876%3Fmode=amp

MrFresh

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Address the original point please mrfresh

Ps. Read it slowly and carefully before typing your response.

I did. Non-nationals and citizens can be deported. It is a condition of entry. The minister has the discretion to deport them and has deported many people.

Sand

These consequences of mass migration are all so predictable. They were predicted, and yet the policy was pursued all the same.

Entirely unnecessarily, the Guards have to deal with gangs almost entirely inspired by London postcode gangs. If not the case already, the Guards will shortly be under siege by NGO's and activists attempting to establish a case for 'institutional racism'. These activists of course will not want to solve the problems, merely secure a job for life criticising and advising the Guards relations with these gangs.

All this entirely predictable social strife for nothing in return.

Cazale

A man's body has been found in a car on fire on the M1. He was shot a number of times in the head and chest.

malinheader

Rte news reports this morning that a stash of weapons has been discovered that belong to a gang of youths in Dublin which had intended to attack another group in Drimna I think was mentioned. The inspector said he has never come across such a large haul of dangerous weapons, knives a d sledge hammers. WTF is happening to this country. Does anyone in power even care.

Ash.J.Williams

Patty Hearst wrote: »

Yes I have a problem with importing African people and herding them into welfare ghettos which are no different from African ghettos in any other country.

Are we talkin livestock or humans here?

.Charlo

malinheader wrote: »

Rte news reports this morning that a stash of weapons has been discovered that belong to a gang of youths in Dublin which had intended to attack another group in Drimna I think was mentioned. The inspector said he has never come across such a large haul of dangerous weapons, knives a d sledge hammers. WTF is happening to this country. Does anyone in power even care.

It's bad now, imagine what its gonna be like in 10-15 years.

Sand

Sand wrote: »

All this entirely predictable social strife for nothing in return.

Elaborate on this please.

Kivaro

malinheader wrote: »

Rte news reports this morning that a stash of weapons has been discovered that belong to a gang of youths in Dublin which had intended to attack another group in Drimna I think was mentioned. The inspector said he has never come across such a large haul of dangerous weapons, knives a d sledge hammers. WTF is happening to this country. Does anyone in power even care.

In the auld days, it was fists when teenage gangs fought.
But now we have below (seized from the Balbriggan gang). What brought about this change I wonder?
Is it the demographic group who are emulating the black London gangs and trying to bring their wonderful culture/carnage to Irish shores.

Ricosruffneck

Kivaro wrote: »

In the auld days, it was fists when teenage gangs fought.
But now we have below (seized from the Balbriggan gang). What brought about this change I wonder?
Is it the demographic group who are emulating the black London gangs and trying to bring their wonderful culture/carnage to Irish shores.

The photo above, these were seized in Ballyfermot not Balbriggan.

There's a separate photo doing the rounds that was a haul from Balbriggan.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/blade-bare-weapons-cache-seized-from-teen-gang-highlighting-reality-of-knife-crime-925892.html

'The photograph details the array of weaponry seized in one operation in Ballyfermot, southwest Dublin, targeting an arranged fight between teen gangs. The cache includes a saw, a sledgehammer, a hammer, a 3in claw knife, a fashioned piece of copper piping, a Stanley knife, and a normal knife.'

malinheader

Kivaro wrote: »

In the auld days, it was fists when teenage gangs fought.
But now we have below (seized from the Balbriggan gang). What brought about this change I wonder?
Is it the demographic group who are emulating the black London gangs and trying to bring their wonderful culture/carnage to Irish shores.

Sad to say but it's already here. We have seen the the results of letting large areas in England being taken over by different demographic groups. But hey it could never happen in good old Ireland. Or so were told.

dodderangler

.Charlo wrote: »

It's bad now, imagine what its gonna be like in 10-15 years.

Terrible and sad to think that our beloved country may end up a haven and war zone because of these illegals. Not only that but they are treated better than us Irish as it is.

Beechwoodspark

Posters like mrfresh seem to believe that such gangs will be rounded up and after being found guilty deported forthwith

Posters like that are Either being disingenuous or simply pure naive !

Ppl need to vote wisely

The Satanist

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Ppl need to vote wisely

If only there was a choice.

mynamejeff

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Posters like mrfresh seem to believe that such gangs will be rounded up and after being found guilty deported forthwith

Posters like that Either being disingenuous or simply pure naive !

Ppl need to vote wisely

vote for who exactly ?

Beechwoodspark

mynamejeff wrote: »

vote for who exactly ?

There are smaller parties who say they would take effective steps against such ppl

Ppl need to research and choose wisely

Don’t expect any of the mainstream parties to even begin to address the problem.

mynamejeff

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

There are smaller parties who say they would take effective steps against such ppl

Ppl need to research and choose wisely

Don’t expect any of the mainstream parties to even begin to address the problem.

renua are the only party i have heard of with a decent law and order stance

the regressive anti abortion and anti divorce anti lgbt ****e would turn most people away from them

options are limited

Beechwoodspark

mynamejeff wrote: »

renua are the only party i have heard of with a decent law and order stance

the regressive anti abortion and anti divorce anti lgbt ****e would turn most people away from them

options are limited

Go and do some further research. Google is your friend

.Charlo

mynamejeff wrote: »

vote for who exactly ?

We will have an alternative in the next election.

neris

For some reason our country has a mentality of not wanting to see what different groups and different ethnic groups get up in case it causes offence or upsets a few snowflakes. Just look at the outrage Casey caused in the presidential election by calling out what everybody knows.

mynamejeff

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Go and do some further research. Google is your friend

so no is the answer then ?

you cant give the name of a party of position who is offering the answers ?

Beechwoodspark

mynamejeff wrote: »

so no is the answer then ?

you cant give the name of a party of position who is offering the answers ?

I’m not going to endorse any particular parties no.

But there are smaller parties on the Irish scene who SAY they would take effective action.

.Charlo

mynamejeff wrote: »

so no is the answer then ?

you cant give the name of a party of position who is offering the answers ?

Research The National Party, they might not be for you but they'll be getting my vote.

MrFresh

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Posters like mrfresh seem to believe that such gangs will be rounded up and after being found guilty deported forthwith

Oh dear, you still have difficulty admitting you were simply wrong and keep making up strawman arguments.


These so called black gangs are not emulating London ghetto culture, they are just fitting in with Dublin youth culture. That's why people are confusing the two hauls in Balbriggan and Ballyfermot for the last two pages. You're simply holding them to a higher standard because of the colour of their skin. No other reason.

ollkiller

.Charlo wrote: »

Research The National Party, they might not be for you but they'll be getting my vote.

The National Party, Justin Barrett's party, the same lad who advocated killing any doctor who carried out an abortion. Jailing any women who had an abortion. Hates the gays also. You're right when you say "they might not be for you" as they're not for the vast majority of level headed people. But they're really popular with "Irish Patriot's". Ugh.

MrFresh

.Charlo wrote: »

Research The National Party, they might not be for you but they'll be getting my vote.

Shocker

Kivaro

neris wrote: »

For some reason our country has a mentality of not wanting to see what different groups and different ethnic groups get up in case it causes offence or upsets a few snowflakes. Just look at the outrage Casey caused in the presidential election by calling out what everybody knows.

But those few snowflakes have shrill voices and are very loud.
And many of these snowflakes somehow found jobs in Irish media.
They represent the minority, but our country is doing cartwheels to placate them.

Eventually there will be a political party in Ireland that represents the majority i.e. those who just want a common sense approach to Ireland's prominent problems e.g. the HSE behemoth, non-EU economic migration, court sentencing (especially those with 3-figure previous convictions), insurance company cartels, focus on affordable but high quality homes for those who contribute to Irish society or on a low wage, affordable child-care options, quality social services and infrastructure, but most of all; and quite possibly the solution to all of the previous issues ........... ACCOUNTABILITY.

Beechwoodspark

MrFresh wrote: »

Oh dear, you still have difficulty admitting you were simply wrong and keep making up strawman arguments.


These so called black gangs are not emulating London ghetto culture, they are just fitting in with Dublin youth culture. That's why people are confusing the two hauls in Balbriggan and Ballyfermot for the last two pages. You're simply holding them to a higher standard because of the colour of their skin. No other reason.

Nothing to do with skin tone but you are almost right -

I hold migrants to Ireland to a higher standard yes.

They or their parents decided to come here and be part of this society.

My attitude is that they should absolutely faultless in their behaviour or else off you go and don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out

MrFresh

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Nothing to do with skin tone but you are almost right -

I hold migrants to Ireland to a higher standard yes.

They or their parents decided to come here and be part of this society.

My attitude is that they should absolutely faultless in their behaviour or else off you go and don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out

Many of these kids were born in Ireland to parents that have gained Irish citizenship. Some are born to parents who were born i Ireland. Like it or not, they are as Irish as you.

Beechwoodspark

It’s obvious These violent gangs bring nothing but badness to this society

They visit ultra violence robbery and intimidation on often innocent ppl along with attacking other gangs.

Don’t want them
don’t need them
not worth the hassle.

Mrfresh surely even you can see that

Beechwoodspark

MrFresh wrote: »

Many of these kids were born in Ireland to parents that have gained Irish citizenship. Some are born to parents who were born i Ireland. Like it or not, they are as Irish as you.

Yet you were lecturing us few pages back about how citizenship can be stripped from ppl

MrFresh

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s obvious These violent gangs bring nothing to this society

They visit ultra violence robbery and intimidation on often innocent ppl along with attacking other gangs.

Don’t want them
don’t need them
not worth the hassle.

Mrfresh surely even you can see that

Nobody has argued otherwise. People are treating it as an immigration problem or a clash of culture problem though. It's neither. It's due to the fact we have effectively got no juvenile justice system, a completely under resourced social worker network and a complete lack of youth engagement projects. Not only that but in many of these areas the gangs are organised by local drug gangs to tie up Garda resources. The more focus you put on the red herring of their ancestral background, the more you ignore the actual issues.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Yet you were lecturing us few pages back about how citizenship can be stripped from ppl

It can.

.Charlo

ollkiller wrote: »

The National Party, Justin Barrett's party, the same lad who advocated killing any doctor who carried out an abortion. Jailing any women who had an abortion. Hates the gays also. You're right when you say "they might not be for you" as they're not for the vast majority of level headed people. But they're really popular with "Irish Patriot's". Ugh.

Thanks for the information.

utyh2ikcq9z76b

Shot body found beside burning car
https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0522/1050927-mans-body-discovered-in-car-in-county-dublin/

.Charlo

gazz wrote: »

Shot body found beside burning car
https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0522/1050927-mans-body-discovered-in-car-in-county-dublin/

I wonder is that connected to the Drogheda feud.

Dirkziggler

One of flashys men.

.Charlo

Dirkziggler wrote: »

One of flashys men.

Are you sure ?

Wibbs

MrFresh wrote: »

People are treating it as an immigration problem or a clash of culture problem though. It's neither.

I must have missed the stories on the large population of folks of Chinese and East Asian origin being caught with knives massing in large gangs to beat the crap out of each other and random passersby.

It's due to the fact we have effectively got no juvenile justice system, a completely under resourced social worker network and a complete lack of youth engagement projects.

Ok, so how does one then go on to explain the same issues with immigration and clashes of culture in Britain, France, Italy, Holland, Sweden and so forth? Are they all lacking in those factors you put forward as an explanation? That list of countries have quite the variation in approaches, yet all have the same problem. Coincidence? Or more likely the multicultural model is broken and given other countries decades and generations of extra social issues I'm not seeing any actual fixes beyond the usual tired "explanations" and excuses over this failed social experiment.

Dirkziggler

.Charlo wrote: »

Are you sure ?

Id put me life on it

.Charlo

Dirkziggler wrote: »

Id put me life on it

I hope you're right. Was thinking Drogheda feud related.

Dirkziggler

.Charlo wrote: »

I hope you're right. Was thinking Drogheda feud related.

Defo not, one of lads from Corduff just got s raid from it

.Charlo

Dirkziggler wrote: »

Defo not, one of lads from Corduff just got s raid from it

https://twitter.com/padraig_reilly/status/1131121133250666496?s=20