Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

ghostfacekilla

STB. wrote: »

Highly addictive drugs do not require a genetic predisposition.

Legalising certain "drugs" like cannabis would free up a lot of Garda time. The real drugs that are highly addictive and the dealers that cash in on their misery could then be tackled adequately.

I totally agree with all points made.

BlueBaron

threeball wrote: »

As soon as you legalise the less harmful stuff the crime gangs will move on the next thing that isn't legal. Right now they're happy enough selling cannabis, cocaine and heroin but legalise cannabis and cocaine then heroin, crack and meth sales will be boosted as that's what the gangs will move to selling.

And where is the evidence to supports this ?

ChikiChiki

Deleted User wrote: »

casual users arent killing people

fellas with guns shooting people are killing people

being able to link the two doesnt make you a genius, it makes you a soundbite pusher

the illegality and profitability of the trade is what creates the culture of violent criminality

if you want to moralise about drug use, do so. if you want to address gang violence, that aint it chief

If there was no market for the drugs there would he no dealers, no cartels no warfare over who has control of what area. It's pretty simple.

El Horseboxo

threeball wrote: »

As soon as you legalise the less harmful stuff the crime gangs will move on the next thing that isn't legal. Right now they're happy enough selling cannabis, cocaine and heroin but legalise cannabis and cocaine then heroin, crack and meth sales will be boosted as that's what the gangs will move to selling.

The user base of cannabis and cocaine is a lot different to those taking heroin, crack or meth. The market for them is never going to be as big as the likes of weed or party drugs. They're also cheaper to produce. So profits are never going to be comparable to those of weed or cocaine. Right now, there's a lot of money to be made and its attractive for people to deal. They can make a quick and relatively easy bit of coin. But when they run into debts, problems starts and you can end up with killings. I don't see the same demand there for the more life altering drugs. Which would mean it being less attractive to deal. Obviously they would still be sold and some would be involved. But the same level won't simply shift.

Squidgy Black

It's interesting that any of the shootings over the Northside have been almost clinical and ended up in deaths, but the past 4 shootings out in Blanch/Mulhuddart have been two injured and two incidents with nobody hit. Yet Little, Davis, Parker and Sanambar were all more or less instant deaths after being shot in the head.

IvoryTower

Every shooting in Drogheda has been botched as well, there's a market there to teach scumbags how to shoot it seems

Border Broadcaster

Squidgy Black wrote: »

It's interesting that any of the shootings over the Northside have been almost clinical and ended up in deaths, but the past 4 shootings out in Blanch/Mulhuddart have been two injured and two incidents with nobody hit. Yet Little, Davis, Parker and Sanambar were all more or less instant deaths after being shot in the head.

More profit on one side than the other meaning one can source better shooters maybe?

imme

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

My friend just had his front and back number plates stolen in the last hour

Lives Northside

Drives a 14 year old Common banger

Could be used for a number of jobs.

I'd report it to the Garda if it happened to me, not saying that your friend hasn't.

Border Broadcaster

Squidgy Black wrote: »

It's interesting that any of the shootings over the Northside have been almost clinical and ended up in deaths, but the past 4 shootings out in Blanch/Mulhuddart have been two injured and two incidents with nobody hit. Yet Little, Davis, Parker and Sanambar were all more or less instant deaths after being shot in the head.

More profit on one side than the other meaning one can source better shooters maybe?

blinding

IvoryTower wrote: »

Every shooting in Drogheda has been botched as well, there's a market there to teach scumbags how to shoot it seems

Somebody should be supplying reverse firing guns to them .

No down side .

El_Bee

love the people stumbling over themselves to justify their bit of coke they take on the weekends (plus a few times during the week just to keep a head on), you're putting money in these people's pockets, end of.

P.S. most of us are wearing clothes made in sweatshops and eating food grown using incredibly unethical standards, make your peace with it, but don't lie to yourselves or others.

Voltex

Was reading about Lee Boylan today and it says he suffered life changing injuries - does anyone know what condition he was left in?

Regardless of what these guys get up to, its sad to think there are young men being left maimed, disfigured (Greg Lynch), disabled (Owen McGuire) all over stupid mistakes!

Collie D

Voltex wrote: »

Was reading about Lee Boylan today and it says he suffered life changing injuries - does anyone know what condition he was left in?

Regardless of what these guys get up to, its sad to think there are young men being left maimed, disfigured (Greg Lynch), disabled (Owen McGuire) all over stupid mistakes!

Not that I subscribe to the whole “let them wipe each other out” theory but the life these lads chose can hardly be dismissed as stupid mistakes.

Hoboo

Voltex wrote: »

Was reading about Lee Boylan today and it says he suffered life changing injuries - does anyone know what condition he was left in?

Regardless of what these guys get up to, its sad to think there are young men being left maimed, disfigured (Greg Lynch), disabled (Owen McGuire) all over stupid mistakes!

Owen Maguire stupid mistakes? He's an absolute scumbag of the highest order, deserves everything he got.

TheW1zard

Voltex wrote: »

Was reading about Lee Boylan today and it says he suffered life changing injuries - does anyone know what condition he was left in?

Regardless of what these guys get up to, its sad to think there are young men being left maimed, disfigured (Greg Lynch), disabled (Owen McGuire) all over stupid mistakes!

He can't walk and has a piss bag I read.
It is sad but I'd say he would have had no problems dishing it out himself. What's sad is it's an endless cycle.
Foxrocks a long way from the docks

orangerhyme

How do ye think the majority of drugs come into the country?
Containers on ships, yachts and fishing boats to quiet piers?

Border Broadcaster

Voltex wrote: »

Was reading about Lee Boylan today and it says he suffered life changing injuries - does anyone know what condition he was left in?

Regardless of what these guys get up to, its sad to think there are young men being left maimed, disfigured (Greg Lynch), disabled (Owen McGuire) all over stupid mistakes!

His condition really isn't that awful compared to what has been written in the Sun etc, feeding tube through nose and still awaiting surgery to remove fragments from his chest, should make a full recovery anyway

IvoryTower

orangerhyme wrote: »

How do ye think the majority of drugs come into the country?
Containers on ships, yachts and fishing boats to quiet piers?

Surrounded by water so I'm guessing very easily by boat

orangerhyme

IvoryTower wrote: »

Surrounded by water so I'm guessing very easily by boat

Most drug busts seem to be in houses, warehouses, cars.
Not too many in the port or from yachts and boats.
Or do the police track it from the port until it's in someone's property to increase chance of conviction?

Ilovemycharlie

Most stuff comes in by port. They have front companies setup such as florists, fruit and veg,construction,furniture etc. they pay off lads at customs to turn a blind eye

ClintPower

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Very little droplets of blood in homes in Blackrock.

This is something that puzzles me. Do posh people do cocaine to the extent that the media, the government and the Gardai like to claim? A mate of mine works in a bank. Fairly ordinary level, admin type stuff. He reckons the youngest on his floor are on about 25K, bit more experienced around the 30K mark, management on 40k and up.

Now, these people aren't rich on those wages, but many would be from upper class areas, or at least upper middle class. He reckons 90 percent of them would be appalled to be in the company of any one who dabbled, he even feels paro sinking 12 pints with them on the rare occasions they socialise together. The vast majority are not heavy sessioners on drink, let alone illegal stuff. There'd be the odd stoner but he can't imagine many on harder stuff.

This would be my experience down the years as well. Working in food service, warehousing, the sites, there would be no taboo around usage. Drugs would be sourced at work, people still off it on a Saturday morning from the night before, no stigma about telling everyone on a Monday exactly what substances your weekend involved. But my mate says if he told the crowd at work he was on it at a festival there'd be a whispering campaign about it. Any promotion out the window. On a floor of 50 there's obviously a half dozen or so, but this idea that cocaine is the lifeblood of the movers and shakers of Ireland seems anathema to these people.

Would you agree? Certainly in my raving days I found you never ran into many of the Fintans and Fiachras in the Vaults, Tivoli, Red Box etc, a good few heads from Castleknock but then a lot of them palled round with Blanch. This was in stark contrast to raving in England and Australia, all classes present, all loved up on yokes.

I'd imagine that the D4 media set is awash with sniff and yokes given DJ's and music journalists being part of the scene, but frankly I just can't see it in Dublin among the finance types!

Tommy Kelly

Got meself a lovely bit of flake there this evening. Jesus but it's grand. Some stuff to put a lad in serious form. Thank god for it.

_blaaz

ClintPower wrote: »

This is something that puzzles me. Do posh people do cocaine to the extent that the media, the government and the Gardai like to claim? A mate of mine works in a bank. Fairly ordinary level, admin type stuff. He reckons the youngest on his floor are on about 25K, bit more experienced around the 30K mark, management on 40k and up.

Now, these people aren't rich on those wages, but many would be from upper class areas, or at least upper middle class. He reckons 90 percent of them would be appalled to be in the company of any one who dabbled, he even feels paro sinking 12 pints with them on the rare occasions they socialise together. The vast majority are not heavy sessioners on drink, let alone illegal stuff. There'd be the odd stoner but he can't imagine many on harder stuff.

This would be my experience down the years as well. Working in food service, warehousing, the sites, there would be no taboo around usage. Drugs would be sourced at work, people still off it on a Saturday morning from the night before, no stigma about telling everyone on a Monday exactly what substances your weekend involved. But my mate says if he told the crowd at work he was on it at a festival there'd be a whispering campaign about it. Any promotion out the window. On a floor of 50 there's obviously a half dozen or so, but this idea that cocaine is the lifeblood of the movers and shakers of Ireland seems anathema to these people.

Would you agree? Certainly in my raving days I found you never ran into many of the Fintans and Fiachras in the Vaults, Tivoli, Red Box etc, a good few heads from Castleknock but then a lot of them palled round with Blanch. This was in stark contrast to raving in England and Australia, all classes present, all loved up on yokes.

I'd imagine that the D4 media set is awash with sniff and yokes given DJ's and music writers being part of the scene, but frankly I just can't see it in Dublin among the finance types!

Young lads in work....some would be from.posh enough areas...


They do be off their tits every weekend....sessioning until 11 am each night of the weekend and fairly open on what they do and dont do



Ketamine seems to be the thing of choice lately

the two lads i know with a snorting habit are working class dub backgrounds

ClintPower

orangerhyme wrote: »

Who is Mr Flashy's cousin from Blanchardstown that got him started with the kinahans?

Anyone know this?

I'm guessing it's the Westie with 9 lives due to certain things you can see online but I don't know.

In a bizarre case of life imitating art, a while back that FB comedian Fabu D had a skit (which for some reason reappeared on my feed today) where he's going around Blanch and ends up getting kidnapped by a gang of boyos in Corduff.

One of the "actors" kidnapping him is a certain ugly ginger cat with 9 lives who has used up at least two of them in recent weeks.

AndrewJRenko

Ilovemycharlie wrote: »

Most stuff comes in by port. They have front companies setup such as florists, fruit and veg,construction,furniture etc. they pay off lads at customs to turn a blind eye

How do they manage to coordinate shipping schedules with the rotas of the staff they've paid off? WOuldn't they need to pay off a full shift of Customs to get something through?

ClintPower

_blaaz wrote: »

Young lads in work....some would be from.posh enough areas...


They do be off their tits every weekend....sessioning until 11 am each night of the weekend and fairly open on what they do and dont do



Ketamine seems to be the thing of choice lately

I'll give an example.

Few weeks ago, finished on site for weekend, 12 of us in pub, 3 lads chip in to get a bag delivered. I wasn't arsed myself, I've never been big into it, although as I get older I find I cant drink for 18 plus hours like I could in my youth so on long sessions like weddings etc a quick bump is quite the refresher.

The thought of my mate, at after work drinks, asking a table of bank staff if they want to get sniff delivered, it would probably have him up on a disciplinary. They would be absolutely aghast for the most part. The women especially. The big four Irish banks aren't exactly the wolf of wall street.

In some ways I wonder if it's money related. Students are a frugal bunch. They make do with their noodles, the eurosaver in mackers, going to ****e nightclubs during the week because the drink is cheap, all their gear from Penneys, I do wonder if this frugality carries over into their adult lives.

_blaaz

ClintPower wrote: »

I'll give an example.

Few weeks ago, finished on site for weekend, 12 of us in pub, 3 lads chip in to get a bag delivered. I wasn't arsed myself, I've never been big into it, although as I get older I find I cant drink for 18 plus hours like I could in my youth so on long sessions like weddings etc a quick bump is quite the refresher.

The thought of my mate, at after work drinks, asking a table of bank staff if they want to get sniff delivered, it would probably have him up on a disciplinary. They would be absolutely aghast for the most part. The women especially. The big four Irish banks aren't exactly the wolf of wall street.

This varies for bank to bank id say...i know the cousin works in 1 of em,and he was wired last time i seen him out down here


Maybe they dont do.it with work crowd...but unlikely a group of u30s are meeting up and socialising without some doing it regularly

Ilovemycharlie

Voltex wrote: »

Was reading about Lee Boylan today and it says he suffered life changing injuries - does anyone know what condition he was left in?

Regardless of what these guys get up to, its sad to think there are young men being left maimed, disfigured (Greg Lynch), disabled (Owen McGuire) all over stupid mistakes!

No one gives a **** about these scumbags only there mammies

Ilovemycharlie

ClintPower wrote: »

This is something that puzzles me. Do posh people do cocaine to the extent that the media, the government and the Gardai like to claim? A mate of mine works in a bank. Fairly ordinary level, admin type stuff. He reckons the youngest on his floor are on about 25K, bit more experienced around the 30K mark, management on 40k and up.

Now, these people aren't rich on those wages, but many would be from upper class areas, or at least upper middle class. He reckons 90 percent of them would be appalled to be in the company of any one who dabbled, he even feels paro sinking 12 pints with them on the rare occasions they socialise together. The vast majority are not heavy sessioners on drink, let alone illegal stuff. There'd be the odd stoner but he can't imagine many on harder stuff.

This would be my experience down the years as well. Working in food service, warehousing, the sites, there would be no taboo around usage. Drugs would be sourced at work, people still off it on a Saturday morning from the night before, no stigma about telling everyone on a Monday exactly what substances your weekend involved. But my mate says if he told the crowd at work he was on it at a festival there'd be a whispering campaign about it. Any promotion out the window. On a floor of 50 there's obviously a half dozen or so, but this idea that cocaine is the lifeblood of the movers and shakers of Ireland seems anathema to these people.

Would you agree? Certainly in my raving days I found you never ran into many of the Fintans and Fiachras in the Vaults, Tivoli, Red Box etc, a good few heads from Castleknock but then a lot of them palled round with Blanch. This was in stark contrast to raving in England and Australia, all classes present, all loved up on yokes.

I'd imagine that the D4 media set is awash with sniff and yokes given DJ's and music journalists being part of the scene, but frankly I just can't see it in Dublin among the finance types!

I used to sell a load of coke you’d be surprised whose taking it from 5th years to business owners. Once you hit 2nd year in uni people will only take coke no other drug does it they loose interest in the less harmful stuff like ecstasy

ClintPower

I'd be interested as well in why drug use surveys are so seemingly wildly off the mark.


emcdda.europa.eu/system/files/publications/4520/TD0616149ENN.pdf

I find it very hard to believe that just 3 percent of young people have used cocaine on as little as a single occasion in the past year. That would mean 97 percent find the idea abhorrent.

The past 7 days would be higher than that IMO.

Is there any reliable figures on how many people use cannabis on a daily basis? How many kilos of coke and how many pills it takes to keep Ireland going on a yearly basis?

ClintPower

Ilovemycharlie wrote: »

I used to sell a load of coke you’d be surprised whose taking it from 5th years to business owners. Once you hit 2nd year in uni people will only take coke no other drug does it they loose interest in the less harmful stuff like ecstasy

I don't mean to generalise, but there's a lot of very staid, boring people in university. People who watch every penny.

There's a reason that most of these people earn less than tradesmen but can buy a house in Raheny by the time they're 30, while Darndale is full of work vans in every other driveway. Not to mention so many would be concerned about the effet a drugs conviction could have on their prospects.

Ash.J.Williams

I'd say the Gardaí would have great craic if they were like MI6 and took out various crims themselves making them look like hits. Playing them off each other.

Righteouswrong

Who’s the blanch gang that flashy is feuding with led by?

_blaaz

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I'd say the Gardaí would have great craic if they were like MI6 and took out various crims themselves making them look like hits. Playing them off each other.

Tbf a similar tactic.gave them.the advantage over dissidents for years


Theyd arrest/harass some and not others...this gave rise to paranoia and distrust...hence why so many micro groups and splits for years....lads just didnt trust 1 and other!

Voltex

ClintPower wrote: »

Anyone know this?

I'm guessing it's the Westie with 9 lives due to certain things you can see online but I don't know.

In a bizarre case of life imitating art, a while back that FB comedian Fabu D had a skit (which for some reason reappeared on my feed today) where he's going around Blanch and ends up getting kidnapped by a gang of boyos in Corduff.

One of the "actors" kidnapping him is a certain ugly ginger cat with 9 lives who has used up at least two of them in recent weeks.

If I had to guess, its [redacted]. He took out [Redacted].

ballsdeep69

Tea anybody ☕️

ClintPower

Voltex wrote: »

If I had to guess, its [Redacted]. He took out ........

Careful now!

Why is he currently in prison? On remand? Sentenced?

Omackeral

ClintPower wrote: »

Careful now!

Why is he currently in prison? On remand? Sentenced?

There was a whats'app video going around of what's allegedly him paying someone a visit in a pub in Clonee. You'd presume it's for that.

ToddyDoody

Righteouswrong wrote: »

Who’s the blanch gang that flashy is feuding with led by?

If Failte Ireland were honest they'd put a little bit of this stuff in their marketing and promotion material

threeball

ToddyDoody wrote: »

If Failte Ireland were honest they'd put a little bit of this stuff in their marketing and promotion material

Favela tours of Dublin

ghostfacekilla

They have the troubles tour in Belfast.

Who would want to lead a crumlin/drimnagh feud tour....or worse, the limerick feud. All the money in the world and they still manage to look like Rab C Nesbitt lookalikes

steve-collins

The country is awash with cocaine for **** sake. I went on a weekend to the Aran Islands a few months ago and had native Islandsrs asking me for Coke because I have a strong Dublin accent ffs and they were no older than 16.

orangerhyme

Ilovemycharlie wrote: »

I used to sell a load of coke you’d be surprised whose taking it from 5th years to business owners. Once you hit 2nd year in uni people will only take coke no other drug does it they loose interest in the less harmful stuff like ecstasy

How much money were you making? If you don't mind me asking.
Is it really "easy money" as people say?
To me it seems difficult.
What's the profit margin on product? for example if you bought 10g wholesale and sold in 1gs.
I've heard xtc can be bought wholesale at 1 euro a pill and sold for 5 euro.
I'm not a garda or interested in entering the business, just curious

Jeff2

orangerhyme wrote: »

How much money were you making? If you don't mind me asking.
Is it really "easy money" as people say?
To me it seems difficult.
What's the profit margin on product? for example if you bought 10g wholesale and sold in 1gs.
I've heard xtc can be bought wholesale at 1 euro a pill and sold for 5 euro.
I'm not a garda or interested in entering the business, just curious

You pm, ed me for the photos and ask many questions.

Strange, are you writing a book it or something.

orangerhyme

Jeff2 wrote: »

You pm, ed me for the photos and ask many questions.

Strange, are you writing a book it or something.

No, just curious.
Not garda or journalist

ClintPower

steve-collins wrote: »

The country is awash with cocaine for **** sake. I went on a weekend to the Aran Islands a few months ago and had native Islandsrs asking me for Coke because I have a strong Dublin accent ffs and they were no older than 16.

It can't be that awash if they are trying to score off tourists :pac:

Anecdotal I know but I don't think it's as epidemic as 10- 15 years ago. Back then it would be everywhere, today I'd have to call through a few people. Even in pubs you don't hear the same amount of hoovering in the next cubicle as you used to.

Then again I'm not as young as I was.


What is the story with crack? The media have been saying the epidemic is around the corner for 19 years now, has it really finally materialised? On two occasions in the last few weeks I've seen teenagers on the Luas and in town acting in a really bizarre, hyped manner, off it in a manner I've never seen before. I've never lived in a crack heavy community so I don't know what they really look like.

myshirt

orangerhyme wrote: »

No, just curious.
Not garda or journalist

This isn't a joke, nor is it for your entertainment.

ClintPower

Is this older Boylan fella a remnant of the Westies? The leader of one side of the Corduff feud is described as being a former member- did he get back in with them after one of the leaders shot him in the leg and beat his brother up?

It's an amazing run of luck for them really. I can think of nearly two dozen people who the media has named as members. Of those at least 10 are dead, four are strung out and one would have spent most of his best years in prison on a drug charge.

It's interesting to see that the sons of many of these people, now in their teens and early 20's, all seem to be connected today, and mostly full of the same ****e. They all seem to be friends yet according to some articles you would read, if you read between the lines at the hints given, some of the survivors were involved in whacking their dads. I wonder how that goes down in the paranoid backstabbing world these people inhabit.

orangerhyme

myshirt wrote: »

This isn't a joke, nor is it for your entertainment.

Never said it was